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[rockdog]

Indian Road Network

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Our only area with low connectivity is North East, and that is being solved at lighting speed.

Chinese Road Network. You can clearly see the difference.

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When you use Chinese resource, you should keep it right. the map you showed are map of "national express way" network. Let me pasted it again.

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They are at this level.

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The Chinese real highway network is here, 184,000KM

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They looks like this:

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Actually, i don't quite make comparision here in the forum between India and China, i don't know why you are so obssessed on it. I think 6 times GDP says a lot, you don't need to show those vids of India progress here in this thread, it's wasting resource of forum and off topic.

Where the GDP is large, where the population exist with good road, railways, metros been built.

Tibet area by 3D view, only 4 million people, so very few of road and railways.





The Hu-line:

The Hu Huanyong Line - RSA Main

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The place with 50% GDP of world, these areas have best metro, railway and raod networks.

 

[rockdog]

View: https://youtu.be/GXiFDe2pfGI?si=J0O11wJwln9ovVdN

Choke on It, You Commies | National Review

We as Americans will be happy to shove your cloddish racism down your throats anytime you ever care to encounter us in athletic competition.

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This is the kind of racism the Han indulge in & it's not just restricted to the Japanese . Every nationality , nation ethnicity & race are subject to these slurs. Ask me , I've experienced it first hand in Hong Kong & Shanghai.

Now there are only 6 Chinese students in India by yesterday, since GOI refused most applications.




China generally is friendly to common Indian, there are 10,000+ students studying Chinese universities, in a college nearby my office there are 500 Indian students.

Plus, mainland Chinese didn't discriminate Indian, if you check those Indian travel blogger on Youtube in China. On the other hand, it's S.Korea and Isreal don't allow Indian to pub or bar, not China.

I disagree any kind of rasism, and it started from you and thanks mod here.

 

[srev2004]

Now there are only 6 Chinese students in India by yesterday, since GOI refused most applications.

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China generally is friendly to common Indian, there are 10,000+ students studying Chinese universities, in a college nearby my office there are 500 Indian students.

Plus, mainland Chinese didn't discriminate Indian, if you check those Indian travel blogger on Youtube in China. On the other hand, it's S.Korea and Isreal don't allow Indian to pub or bar, not China.

I disagree any kind of rasism, and it started from you and thanks mod here.

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You basically explained to me why India has a larger road network than China. China’s population is concentrated in the east. India is throughout the country, hence it has better connectivity; even to remote regions.

 

[srev2004]

Be careful of such comparison. Look at how much total rail kms China has over India. It’s like 4 times or so. Even if China is at 25%-30%, it means that China’s total nbr of electrified rail kms nearly matches India’s total nbr of electrified rail kms.

lol why are we comparing mileage of railways. If railways reaches every corner of India, India doesn’t need more miles just upgradation of tracks.

China is building tracks in Tibet and random remote regions where no one lives.

 

[srev2004]

I think in the old forum, you claimed that China had conflict on the border with India, because of running out of land on that area, i was shocked about your lack of knowledge about geography, i taught you there was a concept of "Hu Line".

Why we need to build road on no-man zone in Tibet and desert of Xinjiang?

Heihe–Tengchong Line​

Heihe–Tengchong Line - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Economic zone on eastern, so we built more roads on east.

Same as for river-sea transportation, your road connectioin of India didn't help your economic growth, especially the export, even China's inner river is busier than your sea ports.


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And that’s why India has more roads. It’s very clear from this picture

 

[srev2004]

Now there are only 6 Chinese students in India by yesterday, since GOI refused most applications.

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China generally is friendly to common Indian, there are 10,000+ students studying Chinese universities, in a college nearby my office there are 500 Indian students.

Plus, mainland Chinese didn't discriminate Indian, if you check those Indian travel blogger on Youtube in China. On the other hand, it's S.Korea and Isreal don't allow Indian to pub or bar, not China.

I disagree any kind of rasism, and it started from you and thanks mod here.

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China is not friendly towards Indians. You do not allow Indian companies to operate in China, you restrict India from UN Security Council Membership, Chinese infrastructure is looking to bypass India and cut off India from global trade. China is actively sabotaging all of India’s neighbors. Seems to me that China wants really badly for India to fail.

 

[srev2004]

PLZ, post your India progress elsewhere, this is the wrong thread.

6 times GDP gap between China and India exist every sector.

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List of Top 10 Largest Metro Networks In The World - GeeksforGeeks

The Top 10 Largest Metro Networks In The World are Shanghai Metro(China), Beijing Subway(China), London Underground(United Kingdom), Guangzhou Metro(China), New York City Subway(United States), Delhi Metro(India), Moscow Metro(Russia), Wuhan Metro(China), Seoul Metro(South Korea), Madrid...

www.geeksforgeeks.org

Ok great. And none of those metros have people hanging outside. So your racist jibe was subtle hence provoking people like @Azaad

 

[srev2004]

India’s GDP was larger than China’s for 1700 years. China only grew larger than India because of population increase during Qing dynasty while India was under Mughal occupation. CCP bad policies have created circumstances where Chinese population will collapse in the next few decades. Hence India’s GDP will be larger than China similar to how China took over India during Qing dynasty. Before Qing dynasty India GDP was 2x-3x China for 1700 years.

You haven’t made any argument convincing me why this won’t happen. Instead you encourage me to give up the comparison but make no effort to introspect on what I’m saying.

 

[rockdog]

And that’s why India has more roads. It’s very clear from this picture

1. Quality? paved or not paved?

2. Country road? Normal way or express way or high way?

3. You shouldn't use the same size of map, actually when you use a India map, you need use a China Map 3 TIMES larger, since we have 9.6million you have around 2.9million KM2. Then you see how long the road it should be comparing India.
4. Way of calcuation, we count by general lengh, you count "lane lenght"

5. I personally doubt about it based on economic reason:


View: https://x.com/thinking_panda/status/1798283216249630741?t=3umaOt3nnzrZP7k4c5xT9A&s=19


View: https://x.com/BeijingDai/status/1674701549334073344?t=5lPkk9Off6ujZBHH4kXwgg&s=19

 

[rockdog]

India’s GDP was larger than China’s for 1700 years. China only grew larger than India because of population increase during Qing dynasty while India was under Mughal occupation. CCP bad policies have created circumstances where Chinese population will collapse in the next few decades. Hence India’s GDP will be larger than China similar to how China took over India during Qing dynasty. Before Qing dynasty India GDP was 2x-3x China for 1700 years.

You haven’t made any argument convincing me why this won’t happen. Instead you encourage me to give up the comparison but make no effort to introspect on what I’m saying.

I m busy all day long, i have no time to make reply you for all the comparison.

From the basic concept of economics, money (GDP) so far is the best way to express the GAP between two economic entity.

If you insist comparison, there are 100,000+ parameters we would debate, i don't have time.

Of course, you can do whatever you want here, just try to not to make this thread off topic.

 

[srev2004]

lol, it’s simple concept for you to understand. We have more people, those people live in homes connected to roads. From this logical determination, you can see why India has more roads. All remote villages which used to have unpaved roads in India now have paved roads. So your argument has a logical fallacy that India has millions in unpaved roads. The only explanation for the contempt is racism.

 

[srev2004]

I m busy all day long, i have no time to make reply you for all the comparison.

From the basic concept of economics, money (GDP) so far is the best way to express the GAP between two economic entity.

If you insist comparison, there are 100,000+ parameters we would debate, i don't have time.

Of course, you can do whatever you want here, just try to not to make this thread off topic.

Why are you spending your time on an Indian forum if you are so busy? You are posting here because of an insecurity. This isn’t a Chinese forum, so don’t use the I’m busy for a rebuttal excuse.

You refuse to acknowledge that India had a larger GDP than China for 1700 years. You don’t examine why that was the case; this makes your worldview blind to why it might happen again in the future.

 

[srev2004]

India's road infra will match US by 2024-end: Road minister Nitin Gadkari - Times of India

India's road infrastructure will be equal to the US road infrastructure by the end of 2024, said Union minister of road transport and highways Nitin Gadkari during his address at the Economic Times Global Business Summit on Saturday.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

By end of 2024, India will have largest road network in the world and China will be in #3 position after #2 USA

 

[rockdog]

Why are you spending your time on an Indian forum if you are so busy? You are posting here because of an insecurity. This isn’t a Chinese forum, so don’t use the I’m busy for a rebuttal excuse.

You refuse to acknowledge that India had a larger GDP than China for 1700 years. You don’t examine why that was the case; this makes your worldview blind to why it might happen again in the future.

With old forum, i have been Indian forum for 15 yrs.

I had busienss partners with Mahindra IT, i hired Indian coding team from Gujarat for my projects, i m a military fan since school time i read books about 1962 war not only from China side, but also from John Dalvi and Brij Mohan Kaul.

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[rockdog]

India's road infra will match US by 2024-end: Road minister Nitin Gadkari - Times of India

India's road infrastructure will be equal to the US road infrastructure by the end of 2024, said Union minister of road transport and highways Nitin Gadkari during his address at the Economic Times Global Business Summit on Saturday.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

By end of 2024, India will have largest road network in the world and China will be in #3 position after #2 USA

Again, i insist my opinions:

1. Quality? paved or not paved?

2. Country road? Normal way or express way or high way?

3. You shouldn't use the same size of map, actually when you use a India map, you need use a China Map 3 TIMES larger, since we have 9.6million you have around 2.9million KM2. Then you see how long the road it should be comparing India.
4. Way of calcuation, we count by general lengh, you count "lane lenght"

5. I personally doubt about it based on economic reason:


View: https://x.com/thinking_panda/status/1798283216249630741?t=3umaOt3nnzrZP7k4c5xT9A&s=19


View: https://x.com/BeijingDai/status/1674701549334073344?t=5lPkk9Off6ujZBHH4kXwgg&s=19

 

[srev2004]

India has 1.7 million sq km of Arable land. China has 1.2 million sq km of Arable land.

India’s 1.4 billion people live on this arable land and Chinese 1.3B people live in their arable land. In terms of land area, India’s arable land is larger than Chinese.

We have more people and larger arable land, hence we have more roads than you.

The size of the country doesn’t matter only whether people live in that area. This is why Chinese rail system is larger than India but your road system is smaller. Rail is driven by passenger and freight traffic, where as road is mostly driven by physical occupancy of land to the side streets. If less people live in a smaller pocket of land than India, your road network size will be smaller.

You aren’t exercising your critical thinking to analyze why India has larger road network. Your racial bias in your world view prevents you from ingesting these facts that are acknowledged worldwide.

 

[Azaad]

Now there are only 6 Chinese students in India by yesterday, since GOI refused most applications.

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Quite frankly I'm surprised we've allowed even 6 Chinese students to study here.

China generally is friendly to common Indian, there are 10,000+ students studying Chinese universities, in a college nearby my office there are 500 Indian students.

Most of these students study medicine. As I pointed out earlier , if North Korea or Burundi had medical colleges who'd take in Indian students , our students would flock there as well.
In any case , those medical degrees or any other degree from a Chinese University are useless as they recognised in India . So you might as well keep them .

Plus, mainland Chinese didn't discriminate Indian, if you check those Indian travel blogger on Youtube in China. On the other hand, it's S.Korea and Isreal don't allow Indian to pub or bar, not China.

Let me share with you that from late 2019 to early 2022 I was employed by a Chinese company based in Wuhan to look after the western & subsequently the southern regions of India.

In fact my induction was in September 2019 in Wuhan for the whole month , quite close to those wet markets . In fact in retrospect it's a wonder how I escaped being inflected since most of my Chinese colleagues started falling ill from October itself & quite a few are no longer with us .

Let's not get into whether Chinese are racist or not . They are but mainlanders are much less racist as compared to those in Hong Kong . Let's also not get into MSS sponsored Indian or other Vloggers touring China at the state's expense to give good coverage.

South Koreans are definitely racist but we aren't discussing them here.

I disagree any kind of rasism, and it started from you and thanks mod here.

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There was nothing racist in that . It was a statement of fact . I've had Chinese ex colleagues tell me themselves that the chief aim of every Chinese is to earn as much as he can & if that means employing underhand tactics to do so , it's par for the course.

These Chinese also confessed that Chinese don't think much about fleecing foreigners since they think those foreigners inferior to them , hence fair game .

 

[srev2004]

Think about this. China has 9.2 million sq km of land but only 1.2 million sq km is arable. That means 8 million sq km is low population density or uninhabitable.

From this we can deduce the population is concentrated in that 1.2 million sq km where your road infrastructure is able to service those people. You also need less roads if you have more high rises.

In India’s case our population is more spread out and we use low density construction, so we have more roadways.

 

[rockdog]

Quite frankly I'm surprised we've allowed even 6 Chinese students to study here.


Most of these students study medicine. As I pointed out earlier , if North Korea or Burundi had medical colleges who'd take in Indian students , our students would flock there as well.
In any case , those medical degrees or any other degree from a Chinese University are useless as they recognised in India . So you might as well keep them .




Let me share with you that from late 2019 to early 2022 I was employed by a Chinese company based in Wuhan to look after the western & subsequently the southern regions of India.

In fact my induction was in September 2019 in Wuhan for the whole month , quite close to those wet markets . In fact in retrospect it's a wonder how I escaped being inflected since most of my Chinese colleagues started falling ill from October itself & quite a few are no longer with us .

Let's not get into whether Chinese are racist or not . They are but mainlanders are much less racist as compared to those in Hong Kong . Let's also not get into MSS sponsored Indian or other Vloggers touring China at the state's expense to give good coverage.

South Koreans are definitely racist but we aren't discussing them here.



There was nothing racist in that . It was a statement of fact . I've had Chinese ex colleagues tell me themselves that the chief aim of every Chinese is to earn as much as he can & if that means employing underhand tactics to do so , it's par for the course.

These Chinese also confessed that Chinese don't think much about fleecing foreigners since they think those foreigners inferior to them , hence fair game .

Good, I think i m half Wuhan people, i was there for 10+ yrs, till recent days i still have a team in Wuhan, in Optics Valley.

The case in that Wet Market happend in late Nov, i don't think it's earlier as Sep or Oct.

I can always meet Indian sutdent in Wuha university medical school, nearby East Lake. It's also the place Xi and Modi had meeting.

 

[srev2004]

If you want to compare highway length; China has 180k km and India has 200k KM, and India’s total road length is larger than China

12500 km of national highways to be built in FY24, about 35 km per day: Secretary MoRTH - ET Government

Secretary MoRTH Anurag Jain IAS Vision 2047: “MoRTH has developed the Vision 2047 Master Plan for construction of National Highways and Expressways. On completion of this plan, India will be among the top 10 G20 nations in the area of high-speed corridor density.”

government.economictimes.indiatimes.com