Chinese Economy Watch

[rockdog]

Chinese Shipyards Continue to Build Lead Taking Nearly All Orders in August​

Chinese Shipyards Continue to Build Lead Taking Nearly All Orders in August

The Chinese shipbuilding industry is continuing to build its leadership based on new orders. August’s data released by Clarkson Research shows that S...

maritime-executive.com

The Chinese shipbuilding industry is continuing to build its leadership based on new orders. August’s data released by Clarkson Research shows that South Korea continues to slip in the portion of new orders booked ceding the orders nearly entirely to China last month.

Analysts point to the strong overall order flow and the large backlog for construction which could be contributing to the South Korean industry becoming more selective in accepting orders. The building slots are mostly booked and with a lack of available dock space, the yards have three years or more of work on hand.

Overall orders were up strongly year-over-year according to Clarkson. They report in August orders were up 27 percent based on compensated gross tons to 3.87 million CGT. This included a total of 106 ships ordered. Year-to-date orders are up 30 percent with the data reflecting 1,454 ships ordered totaling 40.2 CGT.

China has been ahead most months in 2024 and in August it accounted for nearly all the orders recorded. Clarkson reports that Chinese shipbuilders received orders for 95 ships which represents 3.47 million CGT. This was 90 percent of the orders booked for the month. For 2024, China shipbuilders booked orders for more than 1,100 ships (28.2 GCT). This accounted for two-thirds (67 percent) of all the orders placed.

The South Korean builders only booked four ships in August (80,000 CGT) which amounted to just two percent of the global orders. Year-to-date South Korea has received 20 percent of the orders for a total of 181 vessels (8.2 CGT).

Both China and South Korea have large backlogs, Clarkson sets China’s total orderbook at over 77 million CGT, which represents 54 percent of the global backlog. South Korea has orders for 39 million CGT which I 27 percent of the global orderbook.

Despite the slowed pace, South Korea’s shipbuilders are reporting they are ahead of annual forecasts. HD Hyundai for example reported two new LNG bunker vessel orders today. Year-to-date they report booking orders for 150 ships and currently have reached 125 percent of its annual forecast.

Chinese shipyards are also continuing the order momentum. CSSC’s Huangpu Wenchong held an event at SMM in Hamburg to highlight booking a block of new orders from multiple shipowners. Last week COSCO placed orders for more than 50 new ships all to be built in China.

 

[rockdog]

really? so tell me do you know what is tech transfers?

Seems our proud Chinese forgets the west gave you all that tech you flaunt as domestic, of course he thinks Communism is not corrupt dictatorial and burocratic, and China`s car industry was not based upon German Volkswagen tech transfes and later Tesla, yes our proud Chinese who`s father owned a bicycle, that by the way are good for the environment, some how he thinks China invented Solar Panels, lithium batteries, Computers, etc etc, for China to have real invention needs democracy and that means a true federation, but China is despotic, fascist, burocratic and corrupt it only advanced thanks to the west tech transfers.

He thinks the tech transfers were because Western capitalists are stupid, and CCP Xi smart, the west did not know China wanted to absorb those techs poor CCP zombie, he can not understand the West created an enemy for RUSSIA
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But some how the west is now sanctioning China, exiting China and putting tariffs, yes stupid western capitalists
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Chinese inventor
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Chinese invention in 30 years China invented everything stupid western capitalists
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LOL, why you raised issue i didn't say, and then you answer by urself?

Look at what you claimed and what i replied.

 

[E-195]

LOL, why you raised issue i didn't say, and then you answer by urself?

Look at what you claimed and what i reply.

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wow I deserved because VW made an electric car in 1974, your grandpa had to walk while my grandpa had a car in 1914 but now you have a car, so you are rich your dad probably had a bicycle and you grew thinking owning a car is social status, my mother was driving in 1977, and my grandpa had a car business in 1917, he took his wife for rides with movie stars in 1917 but yes BYD was ahead of Gurgel, they designed the lithium batteries yes yes you are right, for me Bicycles are better since i rode cars since I was born, nothing special is drive a car



Chinese guy who worked for BYD yes his looks are chinese



another chinese guy in 1974 worked for BYD yes yes great Chinese guy looks Chinese he made first latin american electric car, probably he is where you are from in China do not you think so?

 

[rockdog]

wow I deserved because VW made an electric car in 1974, your grandpa had to walk while my grandpa had a car in 1914 but now you have a car, so you are rich your dad probably had a bicycle and you grew thinking owning a car is social status, no my mother was driving in 1977, and my grandpa had a car business in 1917, he took his wife for rides with movie stars in 1917 but yes BYD was ahead of Gurgel, they designed the lithium batteries yes yes you are right

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Chinese guy who worked for BYD yes his looks are chinese

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another chinese guy in 1974 worked for BYD yes yes great Chinese guy looks Chinese he made first latin american electric car, probably he is where you are from in China do not you think so?

And this is ur claim:




And you never knew what the "Massive produced" mean in real industry world!

 

[E-195]

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And this is ur claim:

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And you never knew what the "Massive produced" mean!

get it Tesla was not behind and electrics are not new, old technology, you dream fantasizing China was first but remember lithium batteries is not a Chinese invention but Gringo invention, got it BYD was transfered the technology, I ask you again genious how come western capitalist transfered technology to a communist corrupt country?

Obviously you can not understand you think CCP was very smart and the west Naive they did not know china copied and stole technology, when you think why and you understand the riddle you will grow.


I give you a clue for a world goverment can not exist a sole super power but regional powers only get it CCP zombie boy

 

[rockdog]

get it Tesla was not behind and electrics are not new, old technology, you dream fantasizing China was first but remember lithium batteries is not a Chinese invention but Gringo invention, got it BYD was transfered the technology, I ask you again genious how come western capitalist transfered technology to a communist corrupt country?

Obviously you can not understand you think CCP was very smart and the west Naive they did not know china copied and stole technology, when you think why and you understand the riddle you will grow.


I give you a clue for a world goverment can not exist a sole super power but regional powers only get it CCP zombie boy

Get those scrap like World Governemnt out of disscuion.

Why you lied like this?

 

[E-195]

Get those scrap like World Governemnt out of disscuion.

Why you lied like this?

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I know you are now a CCP zombie but also human as things unravel you will see, it will take years perhaps decades, i do not care your opinion, i have enough honesty to see reality as it is i lost the youth idealism you still have, i stopped thinking humans make good governments or communists are angel`s like one time i saw Blademaster@ say remember the golden rule, thus i can related to indian people they know it is personal enlightment, all governments have corrupt and evil people, and some good apples and policies, but greed exists and like sea water greed never quench its thirst and like the song say every one wants to rule the world.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGCdLKXNF3w

 

[rockdog]

I know you are now a CCP zombie but also human as things unravel you will see, it will take years perhaps decades, i do not care your opinion, i have enough honesty to see reality as it is i lost the youth idealism you still have, i stopped thinking humans make good governments or communists are angel`s like one time i saw Blademaster@ say remember the golden rule, thus i can related to indian people they know it is personal enlightment, all governments have corrupt and evil people, and some good apples and policies, but greed exists and like sea water greed never quench its thirst and like the song say every one wants to rule the world.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGCdLKXNF3w

I just wonedered, why you raised the issue, you lied in the issue, and now shameful to answer?
Confess it so hard to you?

 

[rockdog]

Around 3 millions orders in one day!


View: https://x.com/geotechwar/status/1833437984433074268?t=zv0V0sV4E3J4urGxZXqghQ&s=19




View: https://x.com/disctrlnews/status/1833440300091544037?t=tuFZeSj1UM9H0FQZp0argA&s=19

 

[Azaad]

Well, there was a fresh article, from another half offcial US think tank, almost recognized China already won in the economic development.

China Is Winning. Now What? - American Affairs Journal

If we lost a trade war, how long would it take us to find out? The vitality and flexibility of our financial system has obscured the degree to which we are living in the aftermath of a Chinese trade war victory—one in which the PRC not merely succeeded in subjecting the developed countries to trade…

americanaffairsjournal.org

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Pretty long article, and better structure than interview you posted since during monday i had no time for full listening.

I personally agree with the points from it. Two vivid examples:

Russia totally embraced China’s full size supply chains, since it had no choice, and suddenly they found it's good subsititution and support its 3% growth during the war time.

Another exmaple is India, it's not willing to mention dependency to Chinese manufacture, but along with Indian export soaring, tradw deficit to China also rapidly increased.

So Chinese manufacture is the key of winning in current chaotic world, i think this is the article wanted to say. It's not using typical thinking of Western econimics, which is something new but still logical to readers.

I somehow agree with it.

I don't think you've understood half of the article. It clearly excoriated the US & the west not only for abandoning mfg in accordance with Wall Street prescriptions but enabling the rise of an inimical system & being beholden to it .

It also highlights China's malevolent efforts to completely devastate western mfg & industrial systems by flooding the markets with Chinese goods focusing on automobiles.

The US has all but banned Chinese automobiles from its market , the EU is raising tariffs while these countries whose companies were lured by the potential in the Chinese market are not only losing the Chinese markets but their domestic markets too to Chinese companies.

What makes you think this is a good development ? When western interests are threatened you can be sure you're in for bad times . This is precisely the reason I've argued that in a short while even if great helmsman 2.0 doesn't intend invading Taiwan , circumstances created both due to the CCP's own policies be it economic or political coupled with gwailou meddling will ensure a war will occur.

If you think the west especially the US is going to accept defeat without a shot being fired & let China replace it , you're very much mistaken.

As far as India's dependence goes , it's much the same as the world over. These dependencies weren't built overnight they won't disappear overnight. The best way out is to chip away which is happening . With CCP accelerating its forays into western markets forcing their companies into financial difficulties possibly bankruptcy you've accelerated the process of de coupling too.

In the final analysis CCP analyses of the west's decline wasn't wrong but the old isn't dead & the new isn't born. Ideally you should've been more patient & heeded comrade Deng's advice of hiding your strength keeping your head down & biding your time . Had the CCP undertaken what's it doing now or for the past decade in the 2040s the west would be too exhausted & weakened to do anything about it .

Unfortunately for you , you'd end up not as a catalyst but the reason the west will decline taking you down with themselves.

Good luck to you ! You'd definitely need it .

 

[Azaad]

View: https://twitter.com/songpinganq/status/1663645086880772096?s=19


View: https://twitter.com/songpinganq/status/1833164595835634087?s=19

 

[E-195]

I just wonedered, why you raised the issue, you lied in the issue, and now shameful to answer?
Confess it so hard to you?


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that is the reason you repeat your posts ad nausem



Tesla Roadster built in Mass February 2008



Basically Americans are the fathers of modern Electric cars not China

But rockdog Goebbles from Nazi-CCP party want us to believe Chinese is superior and as always says we want Indian products but your level make us buy Chinese instead, yes we want but your level is low and you E-195 you have basically Bicycle primitive and poor Mexican unemployed not like me rich successful Chinese.

You latin american he thinks he is white you are an inferior race (despite there is plenty of European blood in Latin america) some how thinks he is anglosaxon and call us you failed state narcos country hahaha

Yes Goebbles you are right CCP does not send Fentanyl to the Sinaloa cartel


wow mass produced Itapu built 20 by Gurgel in 1974 but some how the 48 vehicles is mass production, of course Roadster by Tesla according to Goebbles rockdog was not built mass produced in 2008.

With only 2,450 first-gen Tesla Roadster EVs built during its 2008-2012 production life, calling them rare is an understatement. With perpetual delays leaving the next-gen Tesla Roadster somewhere in "the future," the originals have only become more coveted. So you can imagine the astonishment of finding no fewer than six of them unceremoniously crammed together behind a Tesla store in Owings Mills, Maryland.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/original-tesla-roadster-ev-secret-stash-maryland/

 

[E-195]

View: https://twitter.com/songpinganq/status/1663645086880772096?s=19


View: https://twitter.com/songpinganq/status/1833164595835634087?s=19

That trend is not only Chinese, but a Global trend by the world Government

 

[rockdog]

I don't think you've understood half of the article. It clearly excoriated the US & the west not only for abandoning mfg in accordance with Wall Street prescriptions but enabling the rise of an inimical system & being beholden to it .

It also highlights China's malevolent efforts to completely devastate western mfg & industrial systems by flooding the markets with Chinese goods focusing on automobiles.

The US has all but banned Chinese automobiles from its market , the EU is raising tariffs while these countries whose companies were lured by the potential in the Chinese market are not only losing the Chinese markets but their domestic markets too to Chinese companies.

What makes you think this is a good development ? When western interests are threatened you can be sure you're in for bad times . This is precisely the reason I've argued that in a short while even if great helmsman 2.0 doesn't intend invading Taiwan , circumstances created both due to the CCP's own policies be it economic or political coupled with gwailou meddling will ensure a war will occur.

If you think the west especially the US is going to accept defeat without a shot being fired & let China replace it , you're very much mistaken.

As far as India's dependence goes , it's much the same as the world over. These dependencies weren't built overnight they won't disappear overnight. The best way out is to chip away which is happening . With CCP accelerating its forays into western markets forcing their companies into financial difficulties possibly bankruptcy you've accelerated the process of de coupling too.

In the final analysis CCP analyses of the west's decline wasn't wrong but the old isn't dead & the new isn't born. Ideally you should've been more patient & heeded comrade Deng's advice of hiding your strength keeping your head down & biding your time . Had the CCP undertaken what's it doing now or for the past decade in the 2040s the west would be too exhausted & weakened to do anything about it .

Unfortunately for you , you'd end up not as a catalyst but the reason the west will decline taking you down with themselves.

Good luck to you ! You'd definitely need it .

Well, it was a small test, at least you really have interest to read full article about talking China, it's good anyway .

Different people have diffferent feeling about this article, at least you express your POV even i don't quite agree with some of them.

Let me express my feeling from a Chinese perspectives:

1. The whole article focuses on manufacturing, and explains China's advantages and the United States' shortcomings very well. This is a rare serious article in the United States, and it is a rare statement in the current atmosphere in the United States. The good thing about this article is that it has a prominent point of view and dares to point out the outcome of "China wins and the United States loses". The reason is that China is right to engage in manufacturing, and the United States is wrong to engage in finance. The article says that it wants to save it, but smart people can see that the author Nathan Simington actually thinks it is hopeless.

2. Just quote some wonderful paragraphs directly, there are really many that are very enjoyable to read. As in the first paragraph: "If we lose a trade war, how long will it take to find out? The dynamism and flexibility of our financial system belies the consequences of China's trade war victory - China has not only successfully trapped developed countries in trade competition, but also engineered the deindustrialization of developed economies and many middle-income economies."

3. "China has achieved the impossible and reshaped the world according to domestic and international political goals. The G7's Cold War experience is not instructive because China is now the center of world manufacturing and exports. Except for raw materials, the old Warsaw Pact never produced anything that the market needed. 20 years ago, analysts did not expect China to become a major manufacturer in its own right, nor did they expect that China would urbanize hundreds of millions of its poor citizens in a very short time."

4. "The manufacturing capabilities of G7 countries have been eroded, and skilled workers and supporting industries have been lost. The G20 Countries that have become subservient to Chinese truck farms and mining camps have undermined their own industrialization prospects. Every country, including the United States, has seen countless Chinese dependencies emerge in its supply chain. We are technically capable of producing the proposed key products, but no local manufacturers can finance them; instead, we must make an ugly choice between further weakening our capabilities or wastefully subsidizing domestic manufacturers at multiples of Chinese prices. ”

5. “G7 analysts often analyze (China's advantage) from the perspective of labor costs. This is a factor, with Chinese manufacturing wages typically $2 to $4 per hour. But other middle-income countries with average wages in the same range clearly lack China's influence in supply chains and product categories; they are "takers" rather than "makers" of the international system. These countries do not have 30 years of high average growth rates (no matter how poor the base), do not have China's advantages in raw material processing, supply chains, ports and logistics, and advanced manufacturing technology. More importantly, do not have such lopsided trade surpluses, or such clear plans to deindustrialize competitors. In short, the cheap labor explanation for China's manufacturing prominence is seriously misleading. ”

6. “The current trend is disastrous. China is leading the electric vehicle and telecommunications revolutions; China's manufacturing capabilities exceed The G7 combined, the U.S. defense industrial base declines, and China uses economic depth to improve its military capabilities. If trends continue, the result will be inevitable: capital will flee other developed countries and invest in China. This is a military risk to the current security order, a financial and trade risk to the international economic system, and an existential risk to hundreds of millions of workers in developed countries who will find themselves working in gig and service jobs that are not productive enough to support a first-world lifestyle. In 2024, we must face some difficult questions about how we got here, what China intends to do, and what we can do to recapture and surpass them.”

 

[E-195]

I just wonedered, why you raised the issue, you lied in the issue, and now shameful to answer?
Confess it so hard to you?


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The Roadster's Production Milestones​

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Timeline​

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Number of Roadsters produced and delivered by Tesla​

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[td]1st two months of production (production started March 17, 2008)[/td]
[td]3[/td] [td]September 10, 2008[/td]
[td]27[/td] [td]February 11, 2009[/td]
[td]200[/td] [td]May 2009[/td]
[td]500[/td] [td]September 15, 2009[/td]
[td]700[/td] [td]January 13, 2010[/td]
[td]1,000[/td] [td]December 2, 2010[/td]
[td]1,400+[/td] [td]September 2012[/td]
[td]2,418+

Here's Why Tesla Made The First Roadster And How Many Still Exist Today

Tesla launched their innovative Roadster back in 2008; here's why they did it, and how many still survive today.

www.hotcars.com

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[rockdog]

The Roadster's Practuall'​

n Milestones​

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Timeline

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Number of Roadsters produced and delivered by Tesla



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[td]1st two months of production (production started March 17, 2008)[/td]
[td]3[/td] [td]September 10, 2008[/td]
[td]27[/td] [td]February 11, 2009[/td]
[td]200[/td] [td]May 2009[/td]
[td]500[/td] [td]September 15, 2009[/td]
[td]700[/td] [td]January 13, 2010[/td]
[td]1,000[/td] [td]December 2, 2010[/td]
[td]1,400+[/td] [td]September 2012[/td]
[td]2,418+

Here's Why Tesla Made The First Roadster And How Many Still Exist Today

Tesla launched their innovative Roadster back in 2008; here's why they did it, and how many still survive today.

www.hotcars.com

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U r lying again and agai. U said:



U lied:
"Tesla is in China, and China has EV's"
"Tesla is in China, and China has EV's"
"Tesla is in China, and China has EV's"


And the time frame is actually:

Tesla was in China from Jan 2020.




BYD first PHEV in 2008 and BEV 2010, two EV tech approaches at the same time.

BYD Electric Vehicles: A Journey Through History and Models

Embark on an electrifying journey through the captivating history of BYD, the trailblazing Chinese automaker. Discover their revolutionary electric vehicle line

www.silverstoneleasing.com

 

[E-195]

U r lying again and agai. U said:

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U lied:
"Tesla is in China, and China has EV's"
"Tesla is in China, and China has EV's"
"Tesla is in China, and China has EV's"


And the time frame is actually:

Tesla was in China from Jan 2020.

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BYD first PHEV in 2008 and BEV 2010, two EV tech approaches at the same time.

BYD Electric Vehicles: A Journey Through History and Models

Embark on an electrifying journey through the captivating history of BYD, the trailblazing Chinese automaker. Discover their revolutionary electric vehicle line

www.silverstoneleasing.com

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where is the chinese inventor of lithium batteries?


John Bannister Goodenough

Materials scientist and Nobel laureate who invented the rechargeable lithium batteries used in electric cars and phones.Jun 29, 2023

John Bannister Goodenough, battery pioneer (1922–2023)

Materials scientist and Nobel laureate who invented the rechargeable lithium batteries used in electric cars and phones.

www.nature.com

FIRST ON FOX: A new report is shining the spotlight on the role that China plays in fueling the ongoing fentanyl crisis in the United States, calling for more action against the communist geopolitical foe from the federal government.

The Heritage Foundation released the report, a copy of which was obtained early by Fox News Digital, called "Holding China and Mexico Accountable for America’s Fentanyl Crisis."

The report, by Andrés Martínez-Fernández and Andrew J. Harding, noted the massive numbers of deaths linked to the drug, which can be fatal in small doses and is estimated to have killed 75,000 Americans in 2023.

CITY IN FLORIDA PROVIDING $1M IN OPIOID SETTLEMENT MONEY TO NONPROFITS FIGHTING OPIOID EPIDEMIC

"At the heart of this crisis is an intricate global partnership bringing together America’s top geopolitical adversary and powerful transnational criminal organizations," they said.

Officials have frequently said that illicit fentanyl is created in Mexico using Chinese precursors and is then smuggled across the border by drug cartels. It is often laced in other drugs so that users do not know they are ingesting fentanyl.

READ ON THE FOX NEWS APP

The authors argue that while the Mexican role in the crisis is widely known, the Chinese moves are largely unknown.

"Indeed, unknown to most Americans, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is actively funding, supporting, and pushing America’s most deadly drug threat in history. The combined forces of deadly Mexican drug cartels and hostile Chinese ambitions have delivered to the United States a destabilizing crisis and a death toll that each year eclipses the total of U.S. casualties from the Vietnam War," they wrote.

They note congressional reports that found the CCP directly subsidizes the manufacturing and export of illicit fentanyl materials, as well as a tax rebate program that actually incentivizes the export of some fentanyl precursors in a way the authors say undercuts Chinese claims that they cannot control illegal activities by smugglers and cannot identify which manufacturers are exporting them.

"It may also be possible that China might not have a full understanding of the specific precursor shipment volumes because it does not allocate a sufficient number of inspectors over its pharmaceutical chemical manufacturing industries," they wrote.

The report finds that chemicals are arriving through air cargo, postal facilities and maritime routes. The authors also point to reports of an increased Chinese role in networks in Canada.

OREGON REVERSES COURSE AND RECRIMINALIZES DRUG POSSESSION



"Furthermore, China’s announcements "don’t carry substantial costs for [its] chemicals industry," meaning, as long as suppliers can evade rules—which has been documented for years, the production of fentanyl precursors will continue to prove profitable," they continued. "If past patterns are repeated, then the Biden Administration’s fentanyl diplomacy is unlikely to curtail this deadly scourge."

The report also criticizes what it calls "complicity" between corrupt Mexican officials and narco-smugglers, arguing that the government has shed the pretext of going after the cartels.

The report recommends that the U.S. strategy must accept that it "lacks good-faith partners in both the Chinese and Mexican governments." Instead, they argue that the U.S. should ask U.S. intelligence agencies to publicly expose Chinese involvement in fentanyl trafficking, including increasing penalties for financial institutions.

They argue the U.S. should also facilitate the reshoring and nearshoring of the pharmaceutical supply chains away from China to areas with a competitive advantage, while also working to uncover Mexican "complicity" in the crisis.

"If the U.S. government continues to passively accept the fentanyl crisis as simply another illicit drug challenge and fails to prevent the CCP from facilitating this deadly trade, hundreds of thousands—if not millions—of Americans are at risk of losing their lives," they said.

New report sounds alarm on China's role in destroying US families with deadly drug: 'Destabilizing crisis'

A new report by the Heritage Foundation is shining a light on China's role in the deadly fentanyl crisis that has been killing Americans for years.

www.yahoo.com

 

[E-195]

U r lying again and agai. U said:

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U lied:
"Tesla is in China, and China has EV's"
"Tesla is in China, and China has EV's"
"Tesla is in China, and China has EV's"


And the time frame is actually:

Tesla was in China from Jan 2020.

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BYD first PHEV in 2008 and BEV 2010, two EV tech approaches at the same time.

BYD Electric Vehicles: A Journey Through History and Models

Embark on an electrifying journey through the captivating history of BYD, the trailblazing Chinese automaker. Discover their revolutionary electric vehicle line

www.silverstoneleasing.com

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But that's not what happened. Instead of the batteries becoming the next great American success story, the warehouse is now shuttered and empty. All the employees who worked there were laid off. And more than 5,200 miles away, a Chinese company is hard at work making the batteries in Dalian, China.

The Chinese company didn't steal this technology. It was given to them — by the U.S. Department of Energy. First in 2017, as part of a sublicense, and later, in 2021, as part of a license transfer. An investigation by NPR and the Northwest News Network found the federal agency allowed the technology and jobs to move overseas, violating its own licensing rules while failing to intervene on behalf of U.S. workers in multiple instances.

Now, China has forged ahead, investing millions into the cutting-edge green technology that was supposed to help keep the U.S. and its economy out front.

"This is technology made from taxpayer dollars," Skievaski said. "It was invented in a national lab. (Now) it's deployed in China, and it's held in China. To say it's frustrating is an understatement."

The idea for this vanadium redox battery began in the basement of a government lab, three hours southeast of Seattle, called Pacific Northwest National Laboratory. It was 2006, and more than two dozen scientists began to suspect that a special mix of acid and electrolyte could hold unusual amounts of energy without degrading. They turned out to be right.


View: https://www.npr.org/2022/08/03/1114964240/new-battery-technology-china-vanadium

1. Early Developments:
   1. In the 1970s, British chemist Stanley Whittingham, while working for Exxon, first began exploring lithium batteries. He created a battery made from titanium disulfide and lithium metal. However, these early versions were too unstable and posed a risk of explosion when exposed to air.
2. John B. Goodenough’s Contribution:
   1. In 1980, John B. Goodenough, an American physicist and professor at the University of Texas, invented a more stable lithium battery using lithium cobalt oxide as the cathode material. This development significantly improved the battery’s capacity and stability, making it safer and more practical.
3. Akira Yoshino’s Commercialization:
   1. In 1985, Akira Yoshino of Japan assembled a prototype lithium-ion battery using lithium cobalt oxide as the cathode and petroleum coke as an anode. This version was capable of repeated charging and discharging, which was safer and more durable. Yoshino’s work is considered pivotal in advancing the battery toward commercialization.

Who invented LI-ION BATTERY

Lithium-ion battery (LI-ION BATTERY) technology has evolved from its invention to its current status as the cornerstone of modern portable power. Himax Electronics continues this tradition of innovation, driving advances that promise to make lithium-ion batteries safer, more efficient, and more...

himaxelectronics.com

 

[E-195]

U r lying again and agai. U said:

View attachment 9044

U lied:
"Tesla is in China, and China has EV's"
"Tesla is in China, and China has EV's"
"Tesla is in China, and China has EV's"


And the time frame is actually:

Tesla was in China from Jan 2020.

View attachment 9045


BYD first PHEV in 2008 and BEV 2010, two EV tech approaches at the same time.

BYD Electric Vehicles: A Journey Through History and Models

Embark on an electrifying journey through the captivating history of BYD, the trailblazing Chinese automaker. Discover their revolutionary electric vehicle line

www.silverstoneleasing.com

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yeah my fuhrer we Chinese invented everything even spaghetti and tacos

Electric cars have been around a lot longer than today’s Tesla or even the General Motors EV1 of the late 1990s. In fact, electric cars appeared long before the internal-combustion sort, and dreamers have never stopped trying to make them work both on the road and as a business proposition.


Electrobat! Is that not a great name? It belongs to the first commercially viable EV effort. Philadelphians Pedro Salom and Henry G. Morris adapted technology from battery-electric street cars and boats and got a patent in 1894. At first very heavy and slow (like a trolley car, with steel “tires” and 1600 pounds of batteries onboard), their Electrobat [at left] evolved to employ pneumatic tires and lighter materials so that, by 1896, their rear-steer carriages used two 1.1-kW motors to move 25 miles at a top speed of 20 mph. Electrobats and another electric by Riker won a series of five-mile sprint races against gasoline Duryea automobiles in 1896.



General Motors kept experimenting with electric cars, and this 1966 Electrovair II was one result. The earlier Electrovair of 1964 was also Corvair-based but found to be wanting, so they redid it for ’66.



In 1965, Ralph Nader testified before a U.S. Senate committee and complained that electric cars were viable, that he knew General Electric could produce a car that would go 200 miles on a charge at up to 80 mph. He suggested GE was in cahoots with the auto and oil industries to hide this technology.

As unlovable as the Chevrolet Chevette was in 1977, GM researchers decided to see what it could do if converted to electric propulsion. The Electrovette was supposed to have had the latest nickel-zinc batteries, but the prototypes used standard lead-acid. These were installed in place of the rear seat.


In response to a 1996 California mandate that automakers sell a small percentage of zero-emission vehicles (only electric cars met the standard), General Motors didn’t go down the Electrovair/Electrovette trail of converting an existing model. While other automakers did just that, creating the likes of the Toyota RAV4 EV, GM shot for the moon, applying all the technology it could bring to bear with the aim of establishing industry leadership with its Impact concept car.


Alan Cocconi founded AC Propulsion in San Dimas, California, in 1992. He provided GM with much of the electric-related genius that made the Impact concept and subsequent EV1 work properly, including contributions to its inverter.


Tesla Motors began production in 2008 with the Roadster, the first generation of which could be fairly described as an AC Propulsion tzero with the kit-car bits replaced by one-grade-above-kit-car Lotus Elise components. Later models (like the 2011 Roadster 2.5 shown here) use proprietary drivetrain technology developed at Tesla, but the first run depended on a licensed AC Propulsion power system and reductive charging systems.

The first to put lithium-ion batteries in a production car and the first to demonstrate a 200-mile driving range (although not if you drove it as hard as you might an Elise), the Roadster used three-phase, four-pole AC induction motors. These gradually got stronger as the production run continued through 2012. Selling more than 2400 units over four years, despite a price of $109,000 in 2010 (the middle model year), Tesla finally got enough people to start thinking of electric cars as attractive alternatives and replaced the Citicar as the image the general public brought to mind in response to the words battery, electric, and car.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g43480930/history-of-electric-cars/

 

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yeah my fuhrer we Chinese invented everything even spaghetti and tacos
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Electric cars have been around a lot longer than today’s Tesla or even the General Motors EV1 of the late 1990s. In fact, electric cars appeared long before the internal-combustion sort, and dreamers have never stopped trying to make them work both on the road and as a business proposition.

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Electrobat! Is that not a great name? It belongs to the first commercially viable EV effort. Philadelphians Pedro Salom and Henry G. Morris adapted technology from battery-electric street cars and boats and got a patent in 1894. At first very heavy and slow (like a trolley car, with steel “tires” and 1600 pounds of batteries onboard), their Electrobat [at left] evolved to employ pneumatic tires and lighter materials so that, by 1896, their rear-steer carriages used two 1.1-kW motors to move 25 miles at a top speed of 20 mph. Electrobats and another electric by Riker won a series of five-mile sprint races against gasoline Duryea automobiles in 1896.

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General Motors kept experimenting with electric cars, and this 1966 Electrovair II was one result. The earlier Electrovair of 1964 was also Corvair-based but found to be wanting, so they redid it for ’66.

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In 1965, Ralph Nader testified before a U.S. Senate committee and complained that electric cars were viable, that he knew General Electric could produce a car that would go 200 miles on a charge at up to 80 mph. He suggested GE was in cahoots with the auto and oil industries to hide this technology.
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As unlovable as the Chevrolet Chevette was in 1977, GM researchers decided to see what it could do if converted to electric propulsion. The Electrovette was supposed to have had the latest nickel-zinc batteries, but the prototypes used standard lead-acid. These were installed in place of the rear seat.
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In response to a 1996 California mandate that automakers sell a small percentage of zero-emission vehicles (only electric cars met the standard), General Motors didn’t go down the Electrovair/Electrovette trail of converting an existing model. While other automakers did just that, creating the likes of the Toyota RAV4 EV, GM shot for the moon, applying all the technology it could bring to bear with the aim of establishing industry leadership with its Impact concept car.

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Alan Cocconi founded AC Propulsion in San Dimas, California, in 1992. He provided GM with much of the electric-related genius that made the Impact concept and subsequent EV1 work properly, including contributions to its inverter.
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Tesla Motors began production in 2008 with the Roadster, the first generation of which could be fairly described as an AC Propulsion tzero with the kit-car bits replaced by one-grade-above-kit-car Lotus Elise components. Later models (like the 2011 Roadster 2.5 shown here) use proprietary drivetrain technology developed at Tesla, but the first run depended on a licensed AC Propulsion power system and reductive charging systems.

The first to put lithium-ion batteries in a production car and the first to demonstrate a 200-mile driving range (although not if you drove it as hard as you might an Elise), the Roadster used three-phase, four-pole AC induction motors. These gradually got stronger as the production run continued through 2012. Selling more than 2400 units over four years, despite a price of $109,000 in 2010 (the middle model year), Tesla finally got enough people to start thinking of electric cars as attractive alternatives and replaced the Citicar as the image the general public brought to mind in response to the words battery, electric, and car.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g43480930/history-of-electric-cars/

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