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A person close to the automaker said the team currently has fewer than 40 designers, digital and physical modelers, virtual reality experts, and support personnel.
GM, which sells cars in China through its two joint ventures with state-owned SAIC Motor Corp (600104.SS), opens new tab, sold 170,000 all-electric vehicles in China last year, up from 50,000 in 2019

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Joint venture in China means forced tech transfers

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Under pressure from the Beijing government General Motors has agreed to provide access to its proprietary electric vehicle technology to its lead Chinese partner.

GM to share electric car technology with the Chinese

Under pressure from the Beijing government General Motors has agreed to provide access to its proprietary electric vehicle technology to its lead Chinese partner.

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BYD's net profit per car has declined over the last 12 months to the equivalent of $739, according to analysis from CLSA as of the first quarter. Tesla's has dropped to $2,919, the data showed.

The EV industry in the last year has faced an intense price war, with car companies either slashing prices or launching lower-priced product lines.

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“We are delighted to have signed this joint venture agreement with Zotye to form our third joint venture automotive company in China. Subject to regulatory approval, Zotye Ford will introduce a new brand family of small all-electric vehicles," Fleet said. "We will be exploring innovative vehicle connectivity and mobility service solutions for a new generation of young city-dwelling Chinese customers."

In addition to the new JV, Ford and Zotye will explore offering mobility services to consumers in China as local demand for such solutions continues to grow.

Through this new JV, Ford commits to actively support the advancement of a more environmentally sustainable auto industry in China through local research and development as well as domestic production of all-electric vehicles.

Zotye Auto is a pioneer in the Chinese all-electric vehicle segment. It is the market leader in China’s all-electric small vehicle segment and sold more than 22,500 all-electric vehicles year-to-date through October, representing a growth of over 14 percent year-over-year. The JV will benefit from Zotye’s expertise in designing and commercializing EVs in China, and Ford’s global product development and technology capabilities.

“This is an important day for Zotye as we partner with Ford to help advance the growth of the Chinese auto industry,” said Zotye’s Ying. “We will work closely together to help meet Chinese consumers’ growing demand for electric vehicles.”

Upon its establishment, the new JV will expand Ford’s footprint in China. Ford already operates successful vehicle joint ventures with Changan Ford Automobile Corporation, Ltd. and Jiangling Motors Corporation. Ford will continue working closely with its JV partners to develop and manufacture New Energy Vehicles to meet rising consumer demand in China during the impending electrification phase of the Chinese auto industry.

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Volkswagen expects to begin producing battery-powered vehicles with its joint venture partner Anhui Jianghuai Automobile, or JAC, in 2018. Mr Heizmann denied that the German carmaker would have to transfer significant technology to JAC in order to do so. “Where we are developing pure battery cars together, combining what we can use from JAC, we are as well in a learning process with them,” he said.

 

[rockdog]

A person close to the automaker said the team currently has fewer than 40 designers, digital and physical modelers, virtual reality experts, and support personnel.
GM, which sells cars in China through its two joint ventures with state-owned SAIC Motor Corp (600104.SS), opens new tab, sold 170,000 all-electric vehicles in China last year, up from 50,000 in 2019

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www.reuters.com

Joint venture in China means forced tech transfers

​

Under pressure from the Beijing government General Motors has agreed to provide access to its proprietary electric vehicle technology to its lead Chinese partner.

GM to share electric car technology with the Chinese

Under pressure from the Beijing government General Motors has agreed to provide access to its proprietary electric vehicle technology to its lead Chinese partner.

www.nbcnews.com

BYD's net profit per car has declined over the last 12 months to the equivalent of $739, according to analysis from CLSA as of the first quarter. Tesla's has dropped to $2,919, the data showed.

The EV industry in the last year has faced an intense price war, with car companies either slashing prices or launching lower-priced product lines.

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“We are delighted to have signed this joint venture agreement with Zotye to form our third joint venture automotive company in China. Subject to regulatory approval, Zotye Ford will introduce a new brand family of small all-electric vehicles," Fleet said. "We will be exploring innovative vehicle connectivity and mobility service solutions for a new generation of young city-dwelling Chinese customers."

In addition to the new JV, Ford and Zotye will explore offering mobility services to consumers in China as local demand for such solutions continues to grow.

Through this new JV, Ford commits to actively support the advancement of a more environmentally sustainable auto industry in China through local research and development as well as domestic production of all-electric vehicles.

Zotye Auto is a pioneer in the Chinese all-electric vehicle segment. It is the market leader in China’s all-electric small vehicle segment and sold more than 22,500 all-electric vehicles year-to-date through October, representing a growth of over 14 percent year-over-year. The JV will benefit from Zotye’s expertise in designing and commercializing EVs in China, and Ford’s global product development and technology capabilities.

LOL, you have no idea about auotmobile industry.

Zoyte bankcrapted few yrs ago:

Zotye New Energy may go into bankruptcy and liquidation​

Zotye New Energy may go into bankruptcy and liquidation

On December 3, Zotye Automobile Co., Ltd. (Zotye Auto) announced that Yongkang People’s Court of Zhejiang Province accepted the application of creditors for ban ...

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In addition to the new JV, Ford and Zotye will explore offering mobility services to consumers in China as local demand for such solutions continues to grow.

Through this new JV, Ford commits to actively support the advancement of a more environmentally sustainable auto industry in China through local research and development as well as domestic production of all-electric vehicles.

Zotye Auto is a pioneer in the Chinese all-electric vehicle segment. It is the market leader in China’s all-electric small vehicle segment and sold more than 22,500 all-electric vehicles year-to-date through October, representing a growth of over 14 percent year-over-year. The JV will benefit from Zotye’s expertise in designing and commercializing EVs in China, and Ford’s global product development and technology capabilities.

“This is an important day for Zotye as we partner with Ford to help advance the growth of the Chinese auto industry,” said Zotye’s Ying. “We will work closely together to help meet Chinese consumers’ growing demand for electric vehicles.”

Upon its establishment, the new JV will expand Ford’s footprint in China. Ford already operates successful vehicle joint ventures with Changan Ford Automobile Corporation, Ltd. and Jiangling Motors Corporation. Ford will continue working closely with its JV partners to develop and manufacture New Energy Vehicles to meet rising consumer demand in China during the impending electrification phase of the Chinese auto industry.

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Volkswagen expects to begin producing battery-powered vehicles with its joint venture partner Anhui Jianghuai Automobile, or JAC, in 2018. Mr Heizmann denied that the German carmaker would have to transfer significant technology to JAC in order to do so. “Where we are developing pure battery cars together, combining what we can use from JAC, we are as well in a learning process with them,” he said.

Ford is asking CATL tech transfer on battery to USA.

The No2 US automaker plans to start producing low-cost lithium-iron batteries by 2026 based on technology licensed from CATL. Ford will own the factory, and has agreed to give the United Auto Workers the opportunity to organise the plant's workers without a vote.

Ford Scales Back Under-Fire CATL Tech-Backed US Battery Plant

The US automaker plans to start making low-cost lithium-iron batteries by 2026 based on technology licensed from China’s CATL

www.asiafinancial.com

1. you lack of knowledge on modern industry

2. you lied with lack of knowledge.

 

[E-195]

LOL, you have no idea about auotmobile industry.

Zoyte bankcrapted few yrs ago:

Zotye New Energy may go into bankruptcy and liquidation​

Zotye New Energy may go into bankruptcy and liquidation

On December 3, Zotye Automobile Co., Ltd. (Zotye Auto) announced that Yongkang People’s Court of Zhejiang Province accepted the application of creditors for ban ...

www.marklines.com

Ford is asking CATL tech transfer on battery to USA.

The No2 US automaker plans to start producing low-cost lithium-iron batteries by 2026 based on technology licensed from CATL. Ford will own the factory, and has agreed to give the United Auto Workers the opportunity to organise the plant's workers without a vote.

Ford Scales Back Under-Fire CATL Tech-Backed US Battery Plant

The US automaker plans to start making low-cost lithium-iron batteries by 2026 based on technology licensed from China’s CATL

www.asiafinancial.com

1. you lack of knowledge on modern industry

2. you lied with lack of knowledge.

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wow so now China has no record of tech transfers, obviously you deny forced tech transfers,




Chinese companies utilize a variety of methods—many of them covert or coercive—to acquire valuable technology, intellectual property (IP), and knowhow from U.S. firms. These efforts are often made at the direction of and with assistance from the Chinese government, part of Beijing’s larger effort to develop its domestic market and become a global leader in a wide range of technologies. These acquisition attempts frequently target advanced technologies such as artificial intelligence, biotechnology, and virtual reality, which are still in the early stages of development but could provide dual military and civilian capabilities in the future. This report explores six methods used by Chinese companies to acquire U.S. technology and IP, including (1) foreign direct investment, (2) venture capital investment, (3) joint ventures, (4) licensing agreements, (5) cyber espionage, and (6) talent acquisition programs. It then examines the effectiveness of existing U.S. regulations to assess and address the risks of increased technology transfers to China.

How Chinese Companies Facilitate Technology Transfer from the United States | U.S.- CHINA | ECONOMIC and SECURITY REVIEW COMMISSION

Chinese companies utilize a variety of methods—many of them covert or coercive—to acquire valuable technology, intellectual property (IP), and knowhow from U.S. firms. These efforts are often made at the direction of and with assistance from the Chinese government, part of Beijing’s larger...

www.uscc.gov

Until recently, China required foreign automobile companies to form joint ventures (JVs) in exchange for market access. Foreign ownership in these JVs was capped at 50%. The Office of the U.S. Trade Representative has criticized this policy as a means of forced technology transfer that unduly helped China’s auto firms upgrade at the expense of foreign firms. In a move widely viewed as a victory for foreign auto firms, China removed the joint ownership requirements in 2022. But how much of the quality upgrades induced by the presence of foreign auto firms occurred because of the JV requirements themselves?
Removal of JV requirements may not significantly curb knowledge spillover to China’s domestic firms. Though China’s government lifted the foreign ownership cap and JV requirements in the auto industry amid recent trade tensions with the U.S., this study’s findings indicate that the policy change may not significantly affect the quality upgrades of China’s domestic automakers. China still imposes JV requirements in other industries. The findings of this study suggest removal of these requirements alone may not significantly stem knowledge spillover to domestic firms.

How Much Do China’s Joint Venture Requirements Promote Knowledge Transfers

sccei.fsi.stanford.edu

 

[rockdog]

wow so now China has no record of tech transfers, obviously you deny forced tech transfers,
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Chinese companies utilize a variety of methods—many of them covert or coercive—to acquire valuable technology, intellectual property (IP), and knowhow from U.S. firms. These efforts are often made at the direction of and with assistance from the Chinese government, part of Beijing’s larger effort to develop its domestic market and become a global leader in a wide range of technologies. These acquisition attempts frequently target advanced technologies such as artificial intelligence, biotechnology, and virtual reality, which are still in the early stages of development but could provide dual military and civilian capabilities in the future. This report explores six methods used by Chinese companies to acquire U.S. technology and IP, including (1) foreign direct investment, (2) venture capital investment, (3) joint ventures, (4) licensing agreements, (5) cyber espionage, and (6) talent acquisition programs. It then examines the effectiveness of existing U.S. regulations to assess and address the risks of increased technology transfers to China.

How Chinese Companies Facilitate Technology Transfer from the United States | U.S.- CHINA | ECONOMIC and SECURITY REVIEW COMMISSION

Chinese companies utilize a variety of methods—many of them covert or coercive—to acquire valuable technology, intellectual property (IP), and knowhow from U.S. firms. These efforts are often made at the direction of and with assistance from the Chinese government, part of Beijing’s larger...

www.uscc.gov

Until recently, China required foreign automobile companies to form joint ventures (JVs) in exchange for market access. Foreign ownership in these JVs was capped at 50%. The Office of the U.S. Trade Representative has criticized this policy as a means of forced technology transfer that unduly helped China’s auto firms upgrade at the expense of foreign firms. In a move widely viewed as a victory for foreign auto firms, China removed the joint ownership requirements in 2022. But how much of the quality upgrades induced by the presence of foreign auto firms occurred because of the JV requirements themselves?
Removal of JV requirements may not significantly curb knowledge spillover to China’s domestic firms. Though China’s government lifted the foreign ownership cap and JV requirements in the auto industry amid recent trade tensions with the U.S., this study’s findings indicate that the policy change may not significantly affect the quality upgrades of China’s domestic automakers. China still imposes JV requirements in other industries. The findings of this study suggest removal of these requirements alone may not significantly stem knowledge spillover to domestic firms.

How Much Do China’s Joint Venture Requirements Promote Knowledge Transfers

sccei.fsi.stanford.edu

Tried to change the subject again? For covering what u lied?

 

[E-195]

Tried to change the subject again? For covering what u lied?

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repeating your post does not make you right specially since you do not address facts


Let us see facts


a)Lithium batteries are an american invention.

b)the first mass Lithium battery powered produced EV was Tesla roadster, it used for the first time lithium batteries and in the first year from 2008-2009, 500 vehicles were built.

c)China forced tech transfers via JV in automotive industry, General motors and Ford share EV cars technology.

d)Tesla owns its factory in China since China relaxed the policy of tech transfers for car factories, but other technologies continue having forced tech transfers, so Basically Tesla still via suppliers give tech transfers.

E)Ford by inviting CATL to the USA forces the Chinese CCP invest in the USA, pay higher salaries and reduce the need to lose more money since CCP Catl will also lose money if the JV goes wrong, and Ford does not need to pay for everything.

Fact you can not see Globalization is companies intertwine and Ford by inviting CATL forces Chinese companies to return Money to Ford via investment in the USA.

Same applies to VW or any European companies; tariffs force China to return money and are the same medicine China did to those companies in China
Last month, the EU reduced its planned extra tariff on Tesla EVs imported from China to 9%, from an initially indicated 20.8%.

At that time, the EU also said some Chinese companies in joint ventures with EU automakers may also receive lower planned punitive duties on Chinese-made EV imports.

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

[rockdog]

repeating your post does not make you right specially since you do not address facts


Let us see facts


a)Lithium batteries are an american invention.

b)the first mass Lithium battery powered produced EV was Tesla roadster, it used for the first time lithium batteries and in the first year from 2008-2009, 500 vehicles were built.
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c)China forced tech transfers via JV in automotive industry, General motors and Ford share EV cars technology.

d)Tesla owns its factory in China since China relaxed the policy of tech transfers for car factories, but other technologies continue having forced tech transfers, so Basically Tesla still via suppliers give tech transfers.

E)Ford by inviting CATL to the USA forces the Chinese CCP invest in the USA, pay higher salaries and reduce the need to lose more money since CCP Catl will also lose money if the JV goes wrong, and Ford does not need to pay for everything.

Fact you can not see Globalization is companies intertwine and Ford by inviting CATL forces Chinese companies to return Money to Ford via investment in the USA.

Same applies to VW or any European companies; tariffs force China to return money and are the same medicine China did to those companies in China
Last month, the EU reduced its planned extra tariff on Tesla EVs imported from China to 9%, from an initially indicated 20.8%.

At that time, the EU also said some Chinese companies in joint ventures with EU automakers may also receive lower planned punitive duties on Chinese-made EV imports.

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

No interest wasting time to debate with u on tech transfer and globalization.

U lied about "Tesla in China then China has EV ", this is what you sais, u lied. Check what you said and time frame again.

Anwser me: Why you lied like this:

 

[E-195]

No interest wasting time to debate with u on tech transfer and globalization.

U lied about "Tesla in China then China has EV ", this is what you sais, u lied. Check what you said and time frame again.

Anwser me: Why you lied like this:

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relax since you are a CCP troll, you can not admit tech transfers, nor Tesla Roadster was first and built 500 cars you are just entrenching in your lie, the Roadster was first and Ford and General motors gave EV tech transfers, those are facts and yes you copied, chinese can not advance without tech transfers in 30 years without western will.


500 built from 2008 to 2009 from february 2008 ten times more and earlier.

 

[rockdog]

relax since you are a CCP troll, you can not admit tech transfers, nor Tesla Roadster was first and built 500 cars you are just entrenching in your lie, the Roadster was first and Ford and General motors gave EV tech transfers, those are facts and yes you copied, chinese can not advance without tech transfers in 30 years without western will.
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500 built from 2008 to 2009 from february 2008 ten times more and earlier.

So why you said "Tesla is in China, and China has EV's" when Tesla setup factory in 2010?

 

[E-195]

So why you said "Tesla is in China, and China has EV's" when Tesla setup factory in 2010?


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relax, breath, i said china copy, which is true, (all nations learn from others and copy) I said Tesla is in China and they have EVs, nothing in life is free, got it? obviously Tesla gives something in return, what could it be if China demands forced tech transfers?


And this is what happened with Tesla.

China agreed to make special concessions to convince Tesla to build a plant in China. China changed its rules to allow the Shanghai Gigafactory to be a wholly foreign-owned subsidiary rather than a joint venture with a Chinese firm, as was previously required for all foreign automakers. China also changed its emissions regulations to allow Tesla to sell hundreds of millions of dollars of carbon credits to other automakers. Shanghai’s top leader at the time, Li Qiang, who is now China’s premier and number two leader, helped Tesla get over $1.5 billion in concessionary loans from Chinese state banks.

Local Shanghai officials fast-tracked the construction of the Shanghai Gigafactory, helping Tesla build the entire plant in under a year. To make it happen, they helped Tesla get land, environmental permits, and access to electricity. (Notice the combination of both national-level support and local government support in China.)

Tesla benefited enormously from its Shanghai Gigafactory, which now produces more than half of all Tesla vehicles and helped save the company from the verge of bankruptcy. But this deal also benefited China’s own domestic EV industry by building up Chinese suppliers, such as Chinese battery giant CATL.

The case of LK Group serves as a striking example. Tesla worked with LK Group, a Chinese maker of manufacturing equipment, to produce gigantic casting machines for what Tesla calls “gigacasting.” These casting machines allow Tesla to manufacture large auto components as a single continuous piece, which saves time, factory space, labor, and materials that would normally be needed to weld together many separate pieces. LK Group then went on to sell similar “gigacasting” machines to six Chinese firms, likely other automakers.

Today, 95% of the components used in Tesla’s Shanghai Gigafactory are from China, and Chinese firms make up almost 40% of Tesla’s global EV battery supply chain.

To be sure, the success of China’s EV industry today is due to a wide range of factors, including decades of supportive government policies and deep expertise in core battery technology. But Tesla’s plant in China helped to turbocharge its domestic industry, creating not only jobs for Chinese workers at the Shanghai Gigafactory but also an upgraded supplier ecosystem for China’s own homegrown EV brands. As reported in a recent New York Times piece:

“There’s Before Tesla and After Tesla,” said Michael Dunne, an auto consultant and a former General Motors executive in Asia, about the company’s effect on Chinese industry. “Tesla was the rainmaker.”

How China uses foreign firms to turbocharge its industry

China uses global industry leaders like Apple and Tesla to get technology and upgrade its industrial ecosystem.

www.high-capacity.com

EVs are not a Chinese invention, yet China’s industrial prowess has transformed these technological breakthroughs into cost-efficient products. In 2014, Musk made Tesla’s patents, including 51 design patents and 935 invention patents, openly accessible. While all EV makers have had access to these patents, they appear to have catalyzed significant advancements primarily in China.

The government’s early involvement, particularly through policies and subsidies aimed at stimulating R&D, technological standardization, and environmentally sustainable solutions, has greatly accelerated the production and adoption of EVs in China.

The Geopolitics of Tesla’s China Breakthrough

Amid growing concerns about China’s EV overcapacity, the U.S. firm wins rare access to the Chinese market.

thediplomat.com

Add all the previous tech transfers and you see what i said is true

 

[rockdog]

relax, breath, i said china copy, which is true, (all nations learn from others and copy) I said Tesla is in China and they have EVs, nothing in life is free, got it? obviously Tesla gives something in return, what could it be if China demands forced tech transfers?




EVs are not a Chinese invention, yet China’s industrial prowess has transformed these technological breakthroughs into cost-efficient products. In 2014, Musk made Tesla’s patents, including 51 design patents and 935 invention patents, openly accessible. While all EV makers have had access to these patents, they appear to have catalyzed significant advancements primarily in China.

So contrary to what you claimed:

 

[E-195]

So contrary to what you claimed:

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you are free to say whatever, but other people read us got it?

Tesla did gave away patents and helped the supply chain, so tell me the chinese did not read the patents? or did not use Ford`s knowledge? or GM tech transfers?

Very likely even you got some Mexican ideas since Fords has a research center in Mexico and electric car factory.

That is globalization, when companies rule and the nation state obeys, get it, any way transnational companies rule over several countries that is our reality now

 

[rockdog]

you are free to say whatever, but other people read us got it?

Tesla did gave away patents and helped the supply chain, so tell me the chinese did not read the patents? or did not use Ford`s knowledge? or GM tech transfers?

Very likely even you got some Mexican ideas since Fords has a research center in Mexico and electric car factory.

That is globalization, when companies rule and the nation state obeys, get it, any way transnational companies rule over several countries that is our reality now

U r jobless, you don't own any car, you don't ever been any auto industry, you only believe on some superficial article.

The Tesla free patents just a smart business activitiy, acutally not serious auto maker use them.

So, essentially, Tesla’s patents are only free to use if: you do not enforce any right against Tesla, you do not enforce any patent right against another party, you do not oppose Tesla’s patents or copy Tesla’s designs.

Using Tesla’s technology would essentially make any other company’s own intellectual property rights redundant. On the other hand, Tesla benefits from the arrangement because it appears that Tesla is free to use any improvements made to its technology by another party.

Does Tesla’s open source patent philosophy mean they are free to use? - Venner Shipley

When someone mentions electric vehicles, one of the companies that springs to people’s minds, even to those who know little about electric vehicles, is Tesla, mainly due to their great Read more...

www.vennershipley.com

PLZ try to at least became a Car Wash guy, then you have chance to touch any PHEV or BEV.

BTW, have you ever use PHEV, do you know how PHEV concenpt, which is Telsa never touched?






BTW, this is my auto Lab, and this is the latest MPV by Geely Group, i took the pic yesterday








Same type from YT:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjAEW308tJM

 

[E-195]

U r jobless, you don't own any car, you don't ever been any auto industry, you only believe on some superficial article.

The Tesla free patents just a smart business activitiy, acutally not serious auto maker use them.

Does Tesla’s open source patent philosophy mean they are free to use? - Venner Shipley

When someone mentions electric vehicles, one of the companies that springs to people’s minds, even to those who know little about electric vehicles, is Tesla, mainly due to their great Read more...

www.vennershipley.com

PLZ try to at least became a Car Wash guy, then you have chance to touch any PHEV or BEV.

BTW, have you ever use PHEV, do you know how PHEV concenpt, which is Telsa never touched?


BTW, this is my auto Lab, and this is the latest MPV by Geely Group, i took the pic yesterday

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Same type from YT:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjAEW308tJM

your emotional replies are full of emotion but not logic, in life there is two ways to learn, by experience and by lecture, got it? Of course one can not be in all fields, but I am an engineer, in the field of Environmental technologies, and to learn you can read.

Reading and reasoning are ways to learn.
In fact in modern life no one can know everything, in fact be everything, but reading is something that helps.

So my friend, your anger does not bother me, rationally you have not shown be be right.

Were you right? no it is a fact tech transfers were given to China.

the big question you can not ask your self why Capitalists industrialized China?

Tell me why North Korea is so backwards? same Cuba? why it was not better to export to China rather to build there like China does it Mexico?

Your anger does not let you think, like I said cars for me are not status symbols I love cycling, more ecological and better for health, I love riding trains since my carbon foot print is smaller, dream CCP zombie, time will tell you who was right, impose my views are not needed, truth imposes by itself.


This makes me happy, this makes you ashame funny I rode cars since I was born, very likely you only use bicycles no cars and we like different transport system product as we say in Spanish new rich mentality, owning a car does not make you rich but some people think owning a car is a symbol of progress

 

[rockdog]

your emotional replies are full of emotion but not logic, in life there is two ways to learn, by experience and by lecture, got it? Of course one can not be in all fields, but I am an engineer, in the field of Environmental technologies, and to learn you can read.

Reading and reasoning are ways to learn.
In fact in modern life no one can know everything, in fact be everything, but reading is something that helps.

So my friend, your anger does not bother me, rationally you have not shown be be right.

Were you right? no it is a fact tech transfers were given to China.

the big question you can not ask your self why Capitalists industrialized China?

Tell me why North Korea is so backwards? same Cuba? why it was not better to export to China rather to build there like China does it Mexico?

Your anger does not let you think, like I said cars for me are not status symbols I love cycling, more ecological and better for health, I love riding trains since my carbon foot print is smaller, dream CCP zombie, time will tell you who was right, impose my views are not needed, truth imposes by itself.
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This makes me happy, this makes you ashame funny I rode cars since I was born, very likely you only use bicycles no cars and we like different transport system product as we say in Spanish new rich mentality, owning a car does not make you rich but some people think owning a car is a symbol of progress

u lack of basic knowledge on auto industry is a waste of time.

 

[E-195]

u lack of basic knowledge on auto industry is a waste of time.

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like i said your only option is claim victory. but remember reports are open source, news by ford, or tesla too, you are just claiming to be right, but rockdog is not Elon Musk, works in every company nor is a reliable source, you act like a 5 year old CCP troll full of emotion but unable to proof him self.


In few words the world is bigger than your ego

 

[FalconSlayers]

Lmao

China asks local carmakers to not make auto-related investments in India: Report

Representatives from Chinese automobile companies have been reportedly told by the Ministry of Commerce to steer clear of investments in India.

auto.hindustantimes.com

 

[Azaad]

Lmao

China asks local carmakers to not make auto-related investments in India: Report

Representatives from Chinese automobile companies have been reportedly told by the Ministry of Commerce to steer clear of investments in India.

auto.hindustantimes.com

Clearest indication the dragon's a paper dragon & it's intimidated by India .

It's time the world does to China what China's done to the world. All along it was China which indulged in industrial espionage , still does. The world didn't bother much as China didn't innovate anything except mfg in scale.

Now that China's actually come up with something time to give China a dose of its own medicine. As it is China's a huge tradition of Hanjian . That's how the Chinese got addicted to opium.

It's all very well for China to blame a century of humiliation on the Gwailou but everyone knows the Chinese or the Hanjian were complicit in these acts & profited enormously.

I imagine in these times there are plenty of high ranking executives & engineers of such companies who'd want to secure their own future & wealth.

Don't be surprised if in the near future you see plenty of defections of such individuals to the west & the CCP holding press briefings regularly whining about industrial espionage with their mouth pieces Global Times , People's Daily , Xinhua , etc going ballistic.

 

[FalconSlayers]

View: https://x.com/business/status/1834119576071647345

 

[FalconSlayers]

View: https://x.com/lakshmishaks/status/1834208589226864657

 

[E-195]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqnja4hYYqw





Is this a movie scene? A Ghost Rider trailer?In the video, a car is completely engulfed in flames, speeding down an embankment before plunging into a river. Even after hitting the water, the fire doesn’t stop.One viewer commented, "If it's still burning after hitting the water, it must be an electric vehicle

BYD's new German strategy under scrutiny after August sales slump​

Lack of trust in after-sales services, low brand recognition seen as problems

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The European Commission has rejected offers by Chinese electric-vehicle makers to adjust their prices in a bid to avoid sharply higher tariffs ahead of potentially pivotal talks between Beijing and Brussels next week.The tariffs were announced after a months-long probe launched by commission president Ursula von der Leyen that sharply increased trade tensions between the 27-member bloc and China, the world’s second-biggest economy.EU officials have said the tariffs are needed to protect European manufacturers from being undercut by low-cost, China-made EVs that it says are unfairly subsidised by Beijing.

EU rejects Chinese EV makers’ bid to avert hefty tariffs

Commission dismisses offers to adjust pricing of allegedly subsidised vehicles

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