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[srev2004]

Kedarnath is one of the most beautiful and spiritual place in india I have visited. You really should visit it once.

It's true. Just did kedarnath Yatra this june. Entire trek is littered with horse feces, used bottle water and plastics. There are several people employed who clean the trek, they can swipe the feces down the slopes but were will they throw the plastic. It gets thrown in the pristine mandakini river originating from behind the kedarnath temple and on the slopes were it gets accumulated year on year. It's really depressing.

There is no space along the trek to store garbage bin and even if garbage bin is installed how many will you install it, how many people will be needed to ferry them up and down 21 km trek to dispose the garbage.The trek is very narrow, by narrow I mean you have to wait for horses to pass through otherwise you will be crushed in some bends. There are people walking up and down, palkies(palanquin)carrying people up and down and there are horses. All this stuff is happening between a 3-4 meter width trek.

Neither the people doing the yatra or people selling food and water and doing business care about the pristine environment. Oh and forgot one more thing there are lot of new hotels being constructed near the temple so all the construction materials also gets transported along with you on the trek.

Only good thing(if you can say that) is that when the temple is closed. The government cleans the trek, repair the roads damaged by rains and heavy construction equipment and that's it. As it starts to snow they have to do all this in short time. Meanwhile the garbage Along the slopes will stay there for centuries as it will be really difficult thing to clean slopes along a 21 km trek. Some slopes are extremely dangerous to tie yourself with a rope and clean. Professional and expert mountaineers will be needed to clean the slopes. Were in india you will find this kind of manpower and to do this stuff without casuality and mishaps will take years. So government ignores it out of majburi.
Literally same with yamunotri trek.

Kedarnath trek is ruined forever and will remain so without divine intervention. Sometimes I wish kedarnath should have been hidden from us. Sorry for long post.

You guys are dumb. Animals take a poo when they walk. There is nothing you can do about it in any country. The plastic bottle problem can be solved by installing potable water fountains and encouraging reusable bottles. All your solutions sound dumb

The ground you walk on is accumulated poo from thousands of animals. What the fuck so you think fertilizer is? It s a natural part of the process. Most trails in the Us where horse riding is allowed also has poo. There are trails in Auburn CA littered with poo where people take their horses. It seems like you are bunch of city dwellers who don’t know how nature works.

If you want spot free trek, then install gondolas which can ferry people by suspended wire. But that’s not really a trek. Using horses or doing the trek with help defeats the purpose of the trek. In Tirupati, people also trek the mountain but they don’t use horses to help. You either drive up or you hike and take rest in between.

This is an easily solvable problem. Not sure what the cope and self loathing is about. Regarding bathing in the River Yamuna, you can create a designated swimming area and use nets to prevent waste seeping into the River.

 

[srev2004]

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[srev2004]

Tirupati doesn’t allow help on the trek. This is how it should be. If you want help, take a bus or hire a car.

 

[Vikram314]

You guys are dumb. Animals take a poo when they walk. There is nothing you can do about it in any country. The plastic bottle problem can be solved by installing potable water fountains and encouraging reusable bottles. All your solutions sound dumb

The ground you walk on is accumulated poo from thousands of animals. What the fuck so you think fertilizer is? It s a natural part of the process. Most trails in the Us where horse riding is allowed also has poo. There are trails in Auburn CA littered with poo where people take their horses. It seems like you are bunch of city dwellers who don’t know how nature works.

If you want spot free trek, then install gondolas which can ferry people by suspended wire. But that’s not really a trek. Using horses or doing the trek with help defeats the purpose of the trek. In Tirupati, people also trek the mountain but they don’t use horses to help. You either drive up or you hike and take rest in between.

This is an easily solvable problem. Not sure what the cope and self loathing is about.

first of all what's with the name calling. I clearly wrote that people and government are ignoring to solve the problem. I am not coping or loathing. I am saying that problem exists but nobody wants to implement the solution.

You cannot compare tirupati trek with kedarnath trek lol. Kedarnath is at 3500+ meter height while tirupati is below 900 meter.

A gondola is going to be constructed but there is no definite timeline.

I guess you have not visited kedarnath. I wrote that the path is very narrow and not suitable for animals and humans to walk freely together and also forgot to write that many people get injured or die due to horses slipping and falling on them.

You can clean the plastic along the path but what about the plastic on steep slope. That is my concern.

I don't know why got offended. I am Just sharing my concern.
I do not live in a city dude. I live in a small town in south gujarat.

 

[srev2004]

first of all what's with the name calling. I clearly wrote that people or government are ignoring to solve the problem. I am not coping or loathing. I am saying that problem exists but nobody wants to implement the solution.

You cannot compare tirupati trek with kedarnath trek lol. Kedarnath is at 3500+ meter height while tirupati is below 900 meter.

A gondola is going to be constructed but there is no definite timeline.

I guess you have not visited kedarnath. I wrote that the path is very narrow and not suitable for animals and humans to walk freely together and also forgot to write that many people get injured or die due to horses slipping and falling on them.

You can clean the plastic along the path but what about the plastic on steep slope. That is my concern.

I don't know why got offended. I am Just sharing my concern.
I do not live in a city dude. I live in a small town in south gujarat.

You are not supposed to use animals to help and claim you made the trek. If animals are used to help, then expect poop. This has nothing to do with how clean or filthy Indians are. Which is what several posters in this threads are insinuating. If poop on the trail means Indians are filthy, then the same applies everywhere. There is poop on trails in the US as well on normal trails.

Regarding the name calling, scroll back 5-10 pages to get the context.

 

[srev2004]

First gen have the hunger. They left everything behind and moved to another country for more opportunities.

Desis who were born and brought up in USA will lack that level of hunger.

Immigration itself is a risk. You are leaving a safety net and going to a hostile environment. You need thicker skin and mission oriented thinking to succeed.

For the ones that grew up in the states, they lack the moral compass and the internal confidence because they don’t have a strong sense of identity and lack a sense of belonging. They look for validation from peers instead of using first principle thinking.

 

[Vikram314]

You are not supposed to use animals to help and claim you made the trek.

I did not make the rules dude.

Will any elderly person walk 21 km upwards of 3500+ m . Make no mistake many elderly people do that but what about people with knee problems, breathing problem or another health issues.
Horses are used because its cheaper than palanquin. Horse cost 5-6 thousand rupees and palanquin cost 14 thousand. Most people will prefer cheaper.

 

[srev2004]

I did not make the rules dude.

Will any elderly person walk 21 km upwards of 3500+ m . Make no mistake many elderly people do that but what about people with knee problems, breathing problem or another health issues.
Horses are used because its cheaper than palanquin. Horse cost 5-6 thousand rupees and palanquin cost 14 thousand. Most people will prefer cheaper.

Then stop complaining about the poop. It’s part of nature and has nothing to do with cleanliness. People detached from nature will find it gross. Anyone who has been around animals or in tune with nature will not find it offensive. Just don’t wear your shoes into your home. Anyone who has been on a farm will know that animal poo is normal activity. However human poo on the other hand is getting out of hand in San Francisco and Seattle.

There are several posters here who want to convey that India is filthy because there is poo on the trails. Regarding plastic bottles, there are two easy solution. Provide bio-degradable bottles infused with seeds, such that when people toss them they help plant new trees. Or use potable water fountains so people can reuse the same bottle and fine people who liter. Ban the usage of plastic bottles.

 

[Vikram314]

Then stop complaining about the poop. It’s part of nature and has nothing to do with cleanliness. People detached from nature will find it gross. Anyone who has been around animals or in tune with nature will not find it offensive.

There are several posters here who want to convey that India is filthy because there is poo on the trails. Regarding plastic bottles, there are two easy solution. Provide bio-degradable bottles infused with seeds, such that when people toss them they help plant new trees. Or use potable water fountains so people can reuse the same bottle and fine people who liter. Ban the usage of plastic bottles.

Sure dude whatever helps you. Do one thing try to do this trek and see yourself and try to suggest your idea there and see how people will react.

 

[srev2004]

Sure dude whatever helps you.

Yeah that will help me. I don’t want to hear about it.

 

[srev2004]

Sure dude whatever helps you. Do one thing try to do this trek and see yourself and try to suggest your idea there and see how people will react.

I have climbed half dome, I know what a strenuous trek feels like. I also have been in high altitude in Hawaii at the space observatory.

 

[srev2004]

Half dome is 1600m gain in 4 hours of hiking across 18 miles.

 

[altruistRor]

Utter absurdity going on here..

The main reason for lack of cleanliness in India is awareness. Awareness mostly comes with proper education (not to confuse with literacy), lack of which we've been witnessing on this thread.

With a huge population and most people barely earning enough to survive, keeping things clean takes a backseat when even basic needs like food are a daily struggle.

Also, unfair and illogical to compare any country with ours, a billion and half population with nearly a billion getting subsidised food, extreme congested areas and overcrowding, outdated colonial laws, inherited systemic corruption.

Both sides in this discussion are behaving poorly. One side, calling filthy in a way that feels more like prejudice and racism(esp those iq jibes, you all are smart here, do not stoop to that level) than constructive criticism, while the other overreacting to the comments instead of accepting valid points.

 

[srev2004]

Utter absurdity going on here..

The main reason for lack of cleanliness in India is awareness. Awareness mostly comes with proper education (not to confuse with literacy), lack of which we've been witnessing on this thread.

With a huge population and most people barely earning enough to survive, keeping things clean takes a backseat when even basic needs like food are a daily struggle.

Also, unfair and illogical to compare any country with ours, a billion and half population with nearly a billion getting subsidised food, extreme congested areas and overcrowding, outdated colonial laws, inherited systemic corruption.

Both sides in this discussion are behaving poorly. One side, calling filthy in a way that feels more like prejudice and racism than constructive criticism, while the other overreacting to the comments instead of accepting valid points.

You forgot to say; Prejudice and racism needs to be checked. It’s not an overreaction to call it out.

 

[randombully]

Utter absurdity going on here..

The main reason for lack of cleanliness in India is awareness. Awareness mostly comes with proper education (not to confuse with literacy), lack of which we've been witnessing on this thread.

With a huge population and most people barely earning enough to survive, keeping things clean takes a backseat when even basic needs like food are a daily struggle.

Also, unfair and illogical to compare any country with ours, a billion and half population with nearly a billion getting subsidised food, extreme congested areas and overcrowding, outdated colonial laws, inherited systemic corruption.

Both sides in this discussion are behaving poorly. One side, calling filthy in a way that feels more like prejudice and racism(esp those iq jibes, you all are smart here, do not stoop to that level) than constructive criticism, while the other overreacting to the comments instead of accepting valid points.

Shoo shoo, go away with your sanity and logical take, let the chaos spread.

 

[altruistRor]

You forgot to say; Prejudice and racism needs to be checked. It’s not an overreaction to call it out.

Fair enough.
We all know how our country is. We've improved significantly in this "cleanliness" compared to the previous decade. With more and more people coming out of poverty, it'll keep improving.

a country with the size of ours doesn't change overnight. Majority of localities in our country are pre-1947, with probably more than 90% pre-2000. There has been drastic shift in the mindset in the country post 2016. New localities in last 10 years have better management and planning. We're going to witness a transformative shift in next 3 decades.

 

[srev2004]

Fair enough.
We all know how our country is. We've improved significantly in this "cleanliness" compared to the previous decade. With more and more people coming out of poverty, it'll keep improving.

a country with the size of ours doesn't change overnight. Majority of localities in our country are pre-1947, with probably more than 90% pre-2000. There has been drastic shift in the mindset in the country post 2016. New localities in last 10 years have better management and planning. We're going to witness a transformative shift in next 3 decades.

Reasonable analysis

 

[srev2004]

 

[GaudaNaresh]

I just can't help it with you people. My original point had NOTHING to do with a "quality per dollar" spent. It had to do entirely with the country being dirty. Some third rate person introduces "oh if you spend zyx you will get 5* quality in India!" completely ignoring me talking about literal filth everywhere your eyes look. Do you think, honestly, I'm the only person to point out how dirty the country is? Honestly? I even posted pictures from temples lol! I really need to step away. You people are just dragging me down.

You cant help because you got caught out.
You wrote that you find better shit for $50/night in USA than India : which is false.
You claimed that you get dirty accomodation in India for same value in USA : which is also false.
India is better hygene and accomodation than the west for EACH AND EVERY LEVEL of price.
Hence you tried to switch tack to ' dirty streets' after your false claims got busted.
man up, kiddo and admit you got owned because of your BS>
google pics ? mate i can google pics right now that will show San Fransisco to be worse than the Dharavi slum.
As i said, stop consuming propaganda and peddling BS.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Most houses in India are filthy.

You call these pigstys houses?

most of these houses are cleaner on the inside than most houses in San Fransisco or Toronto that yt people live in, fyi.