Chit Chat

[ezsasa]

It's nauseating to a certain extent, "America is just that bad bro" while I see quite the opposite in Bimaruland.
Kitchen get dirty real quick since we cannot afford chimneys. House gets dusty becuae peope and municipality do not bother to cleanup after construction. Roads dug up 5 years ago to lay pipe and had been left like that with open holes, pipes have broke off in several places because the road was never cemented.

Non existent drainage systems in most places where peope throw thrash. People throwing thrash in designated spots and when there is too much thrash in one place they just burn it spreading cinder around the neighborhood.


Makes my blood boil when they say "sem2sem".

while you are upset about sem2sem, are you not recognising that there are cracks in "murican exceptionalism" and soft underbelly being exposed to outside world. this conversation that happened in previous pages could not have happened 10 years ago, when there were tight controls over western narratives.

 

[ezsasa]

you will need a microscope to find a gora travel vlogger or institution, to extrapolate this info below in a positive manner regarding India i.e no diesel fumes coming out of trains running in a pristine landscape, this is something India has and they don't. simply because it is not part of the "western gaze" script/talking points, since it is not part of the script, no amplification, and most Indians who sub-consciously mimic western gaze talking points may not even recognise this.

Quazigund, J&K


View: https://x.com/trainwalebhaiya/status/1863516657454657924

 

[londonparistokyo]

Must be horse shit from all those ponies ferrying people? Very upsetting if this is indeed true.

Exactly what it is. And it's extremely sad. I was wearing hiking boots but I saw many countless people going barefoot. Very very sad and no matter what the useless BHAJPA government says, they do absolutely nothing to keep it clean.

 

[londonparistokyo]

Kedarnath is one of the most beautiful and spiritual place in india I have visited. You really should visit it once.

It's true. Just did kedarnath Yatra this june. Entire trek is littered with horse feces, used bottle water and plastics. There are several people employed who clean the trek, they can swipe the feces down the slopes but were will they throw the plastic. It gets thrown in the pristine mandakini river originating from behind the kedarnath temple and on the slopes were it gets accumulated year on year. It's really depressing.

There is no space along the trek to store garbage bin and even if garbage bin is installed how many will you install it, how many people will be needed to ferry them up and down 21 km trek to dispose the garbage.The trek is very narrow, by narrow I mean you have to wait for horses to pass through otherwise you will be crushed in some bends. There are people walking up and down, palkies(palanquin)carrying people up and down and there are horses. All this stuff is happening between a 3-4 meter width trek.

Neither the people doing the yatra or people selling food and water and doing business care about the pristine environment. Oh and forgot one more thing there are lot of new hotels being constructed near the temple so all the construction materials also gets transported along with you on the trek.

Only good thing(if you can say that) is that when the temple is closed. The government cleans the trek, repair the roads damaged by rains and heavy construction equipment and that's it. As it starts to snow they have to do all this in short time. Meanwhile the garbage Along the slopes will stay there for centuries as it will be really difficult thing to clean slopes along a 21 km trek. Some slopes are extremely dangerous to tie yourself with a rope and clean. Professional and expert mountaineers will be needed to clean the slopes. Were in india you will find this kind of manpower and to do this stuff without casuality and mishaps will take years. So government ignores it out of majburi.
Literally same with yamunotri trek.

Kedarnath trek is ruined forever and will remain so without divine intervention. Sometimes I wish kedarnath should have been hidden from us. Sorry for long post.

It's possible to clean it but the trek will require limitation. The trek is large enough for garbage pins (aka dustbin) every 200 feet or so. Indians must be fined heavily or something for polluting, but even the police I have seen at Kedarnath take bribes. There must be a strict "carry-in/carry-out" policy. India has enough mountaineers that the trek and river can be cleaned, Yamunotri as well. But it takes strong civic and social determination to clean it. Pujaris must be cleaned as well. I heard that the Rawal is a young 25yo Namboodiri. I didn't meet him obviously (Ambani did when I was there). The Gujarati priests are extremely corrupt and have to be removed as well. Rudra Abhishekham was a 5-minute BS come in and touch Jyotirling and then leave.

 

[londonparistokyo]

srev2004 is a huge timewaster. Not worth even engaging with. He's otherwise from what I can tell extremely intelligent but doesn't know how to have a good faith discussion.

 

[londonparistokyo]

nri and 2nd generation indians trying to gas light that problems in india are somehow comparable to america , seen this with my emigrated relatives as well .

lets not forget that a large portion of indians live on 100 rupee per day and with no education . govt at all levels are uber corrupt . everything from govt run schools to all institutions are run like shit . never mind ever growing reservation .

however . my personal feeling is that india is great place if ur really wealthy . not so better for everyone else.



2014 toilet building modi was , no 'mera bharat mahan' bullshit , just said what was reality and tried to fix it . shame those days are gone .

Being poor and being clean are not interrelated. You can be both poor and clean. I've said this before I will say this again: I have directly observed Indians look at an empty trash can and throw their bottle or whatever on the street. What does being poor have to do with that?

 

[londonparistokyo]

It's nauseating to a certain extent, "America is just that bad bro" while I see quite the opposite in Bimaruland.
Kitchen get dirty real quick since we cannot afford chimneys. House gets dusty becuae peope and municipality do not bother to cleanup after construction. Roads dug up 5 years ago to lay pipe and had been left like that with open holes, pipes have broke off in several places because the road was never cemented.

Non existent drainage systems in most places where peope throw thrash. People throwing thrash in designated spots and when there is too much thrash in one place they just burn it spreading cinder around the neighborhood.


Makes my blood boil when they say "sem2sem".

This is a confusing thing to me too and I'm confused moreso how it was lost. How is it that Indians do not hold their politicians or whoever accountable to clean? I've never heard of anybody complaining about how dirty things are. Instead, freebies here, freebies there, you get a car everybody gets a car. Why has the health minister (a complete buffoon named Harsh Vardhan) not said anything about hygiene standards?

Edit: wow the health minister is JP NADDA? No wonder India is so dirty.

 

[londonparistokyo]

Electrified railways are nice but electricity prices seem to be extraordinarily high in India. Some people have AC, but the price of AC is too high for people to use regularly. Everybody has this strange electric water heater, but nobody wants to leave it on as it consumes too much electricity. Infrastructure is again, more than just roads and bridges. Btw the roads in India at least where I was were not even nice. Very bumpy ride on dangerous mountain roads. Scary and nauseating.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Electrified railways are nice but electricity prices seem to be extraordinarily high in India. Some people have AC, but the price of AC is too high for people to use regularly. Everybody has this strange electric water heater, but nobody wants to leave it on as it consumes too much electricity. Infrastructure is again, more than just roads and bridges. Btw the roads in India at least where I was were not even nice. Very bumpy ride on dangerous mountain roads. Scary and nauseating.

Prices aren't high just the average income is too low.

One cannot just spend 5 to 8% of his income in electricity bill.

For most people even a dustbin isn't affordable let alone thrash bag which costs 500 for 100 to 150 rolls.
People who earn more adopt to better standards but they are merely 10% of the population.

 

[Vinash]

Being poor and being clean are not interrelated. You can be both poor and clean. I've said this before I will say this again: I have directly observed Indians look at an empty trash can and throw their bottle or whatever on the street. What does being poor have to do with that?

There's an empty plot of land between our building and our neighbor building.

Routinely, a woman in our neighbor building would empty her house's trash into the empty plot of land instead of disposing it properly.

She wasn't poor. Her Husband would be top 1% in India.

Make of it what you will of such subhuman behavior. Obviously every country has a section of such people but still.

 

[Suryavanshi]

There's an empty plot of land between our building and our neighbor building.

Routinely, a woman in our neighbor building would empty her house's trash into the empty plot of land instead of disposing it properly.

She wasn't poor. Her Husband would be top 1% in India.

Make of it what you will of such subhuman behavior. Obviously every country has a section of such people but still.

Garbage truck? Why would she do that if garbage truck arrives on time

 

[Vinash]

Garbage truck? Why would she do that if garbage truck arrives on time

This was about a decade back.

Every street had 1 large bin where you sent your trash to. Garbage collection would be done twice a week.

She felt it was too much work to take the trash 200 M away from her home and would dispose it in the empty plot of land.

 

[srev2004]

Do you guys even know how much waste an American generates compared to an Indian? All this talk about proper disposal but zero talk about sustainability. If you actually observe Indians they have a significantly smaller carbon footprint. We tend to buy vegetables when we need them. Avoid heavily processed and packaged things which require huge cardboard boxes and cooling apparatus. Americans have groceries delivered via subscription boxes which consumes huge cardboard boxes. In fact Mysore has better trash Disposal than most American sanitation programs because they separate biomass from other trash, not just what’s thrown into the compost. But no American is aware of that because they are too stupid to learn anything past the narrative fed to them.

India’s cleanest cities: Mysuru’s sophisticated decentralised wet waste-to-compost system

Mysuru has a sophisticated organic waste management system that has converted the organic waste of the city into compost for farming. The city also encourages d

www.downtoearth.org.in

Instead of being proud of such Indian origin systems, we are too ashamed to even acknowledge that we can be better or cleaner.

Rather than shitting on Indians and aping the west, we should look within India for examples of cleanliness and models that are working in cities like Indore and Mysore.

 

[srev2004]

View: https://youtu.be/aoi-Qno6x-8?feature=shared

 

[srev2004]

The average American carbon footprint is estimated to be around 16 tons per year

 

[srev2004]

The average carbon footprint of an Indian citizen is around 1.6 tonnes per year

There is no reason for an Indian to feel guilty with a 10x smaller footprint.

 

[RocketMan]

Electrified railways are nice but electricity prices seem to be extraordinarily high in India. Some people have AC, but the price of AC is too high for people to use regularly. Everybody has this strange electric water heater, but nobody wants to leave it on as it consumes too much electricity. Infrastructure is again, more than just roads and bridges. Btw the roads in India at least where I was were not even nice. Very bumpy ride on dangerous mountain roads. Scary and nauseating.

Septicemia is a life threatening emergency & it's treatment would leave you broke in US . Healthcare system is a total fraud in US/UK/Canada as I've seen many citizens of aforementioned nations come to India for elective surgeries which demand a waiting period of upto 2-5 years over there.

 

[Suryavanshi]

while you are upset about sem2sem, are you not recognising that there are cracks in "murican exceptionalism" and soft underbelly being exposed to outside world. this conversation that happened in previous pages could not have happened 10 years ago, when there were tight controls over western narratives.

Bhaisab this thread is 'chit chat' thread.
There are 100 other threads dedicated to pointing out American Exceptionalism, this I believe is not one of them. There must be at least one thread where we can let loose and talk about our issues in a infronal way. I could have done Randi rona about prachand vs ATAk on the prachand thread but I specifically chose to do it in this thread. Why is that? Because in this thread we can talk down and get informal about our own selfs.
It's not my fault that too insecure NRIs who have chosen to take the discussion out of context.

Calling India filthy is outrageous in the way its delivered and of course it will offend us but equating US conditions with India and saying it's sem2sem is just as outrageous. This makes us look like Pakis who talk in a absurd manner, how justified is comparing Indian living space Infra with America when we know we will come worse off?
Do those NRI not know there is no point? But they gotta talk their absurdity because they don't get the point of this thread.
We should at least leave this thread to talk about our houses dirty laundry or we might as well move back to discord.

 

[srev2004]

American health system is completely broken.

 

[RocketMan]

One more thing, Imatinib which is an oncocidal drug for Leukemia which costs ₹900/ strip in India costs $9000 for one month of supply in US.