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[hurrians]

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India’s Diplomatic Crisis: From Covert Plots to Cyber Aggression

The indictment of RAW officer Vikash Yadav for allegedly conspiring to assassinate Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, a prominent Sikh activist based in the United States, has cast a harsh spot…

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[Vinod Patter]

Dedollarization cannot happen for another 100 minimum. He is full of crap. His "Sanatan" model where Indians think "more than one life" is complete nonsense. We think like this in the West too. We want to set our families up for success. Don't believe him. He wants EIC 2.0 with GAE.

Well Indians do think about more than one life (reincarnation). It is not nonsense coz we have to live on same earth and preserve it for future generations. Sanatan teaches about sustainability of nature and environment, preserving earths biodiversity etc . Abrahmic thought process is short-sighted with endless consumption, inequality, wars , military interventions, adulteration of food by big corporations, development and proliferation of nuclear weapons and weapons of mass destructions. Abrahmic faiths are devil who only think about blowing up each other, with no end in sight for their destructive ideas and madness. They propagate nonsense ideologies like gender theory, Homosexuality, Toxic faminism which are responsible for breaking families and falling TFR along with ageing population in some countries. Sanatan model of Ankit Shah is based on sustainability and self reliance along with a little less wealth disparity. I don't think dedollarisation will take that long, most probably we will see positive signs by the end of next decade.

 

[Vinod Patter]

Dedollarization cannot happen for another 100 minimum. He is full of crap. His "Sanatan" model where Indians think "more than one life" is complete nonsense. We think like this in the West too. We want to set our families up for success. Don't believe him. He wants EIC 2.0 with GAE.

This western hegemony is not going to last long with endless printing of dollars and west is now relying on immigrants to sustain their populations which is clearly a sign of short-sighted thought process with no real solutions in sight. This uncontrolled immigration will wreck havoc in western societies in foreseeable future.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Same as you as the poster while posting/replying: mission creep

Okay...valid point

Uh!... Sleeper cells, moles, spies, assassins, agents like James Bond

It's the notorious SWaP
Everything is possible; LASER, MASER, RASER, rail gun, warp drive, force field projection, shoulder mounted minigun, plasma pistols, hypersonic MANPADS, nuclear powered ion thruster...but sadly not within the constraints of the SWaP we currently have. This is one of the most important deciding factor (another being cost) that changes most of these "possible" into "but not feasible".

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

View attachment 18594
Okay...valid point

It's the notorious SWaP
Everything is possible; LASER, MASER, RASER, rail gun, warp drive, force field projection, shoulder mounted minigun, plasma pistols, hypersonic MANPADS, nuclear powered ion thruster...but sadly not within the constraints of the SWaP we currently have. This is one of the most important deciding factor (another being cost) that changes most of these "possible" into "but not feasible".

What is SWap?

 

[Ayan Barat]

What is SWap?

Size, Weight and Power.

Is it possible to make a laser that can obliterates not just small missile but even Ballistic Missiles from hundreds of kilometres away? Absolutely
Boeing did this with its YAL-1 in the early 2000s and even before that, Russian A-60 was flying during the mid-80s. But for these they needed large, Boeing 747 sized planes (Size), weighing almost 400t (Weight) and requiring additional Auxiliary Power Units just to run the laser (Power).
But when we start considering let's say a small podded laser system that can be attached to any fighter sized plane, these SWaP requirments get heavily constrained.

This is the one of biggest problem engineers face.
Is it possible to make a rail gun that can shoot down satellites in the orbit with per shot cost less than that of a shoulder launched ATGM? Cakewalk.
But the size and weight of the capacitor bank you'd need to fire just one shot would make it hugely infeasible, only for the problem to get much worsened by its power requirements.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Size, Weight and Power.

I don't think that's well know acronym. Please mention full form in brackets next time.

Is it possible to make a laser that can obliterates not just small missile but even Ballistic Missiles from hundreds of kilometres away? Absolutely
Boeing did this with its YAL-1 in the early 2000s and even before that, Russian A-60 was flying during the mid-80s. But for these they needed large, Boeing 747 sized planes (Size), weighing almost 400t (Weight) and requiring additional Auxiliary Power Units just to run the laser (Power).
But when we start considering let's say a small podded laser system that can be attached to any fighter sized plane, these SWaP requirments get heavily constrained.

So you are not aware that laser pods have already been tested? Laser can be enerated in multiple ways as per power, range, beam size, etc. I'm speculating that pod lasers could be short time use only, like the gun with limited rounds.

 

[Ayan Barat]

I don't think that's well know acronym. Please mention full form in brackets next time.

C'mon Sir, please don't do this to me
At this point it feels like you're doing it intentionally

So you are not aware that laser pods have already been tested?

Yes Sir, I'm well aware with everything from SHiELD to LANCE to STRAFE.
But are you aware that most of these programs are either in hold or under review citing multiple technical issues?

I'm giving you two specific scenarios, please answer in the constraints to those.

1. Loss of power due to attenuation
Using Beer-Lambert Model (in GPT) to calculate the loss of power for a 1kW Infra-red laser fired at an altitude of 12km (typical for fighters) at a distance of 10km...it comes to 18%. So a kW laser would be roughly 800W at 10km. Which in turn means you'd need to pump a surplus of power to account for this attention, which in turn would mean a heightened SWaP requirment.

2. Reaction time
Let's say two Meteors are ripple fired at a target equipped with a laser pod. The time delay is 1sec so the gap should be around 500m (max Mach 4). At 10km from impact the fighter starts illuminating the leading missile. (The reason I'm using 10km is because it's what the typical maximum range for way more powerful land based lasers are, for airborne it'd be less). During endgame a missile like Meteor easily reaches Mach 4 so 10000/(4*340) = 8sec; 8 seconds is the time the laser would have to heat the missile enough to cause a malfunction. But let's say you're lucky and the laser somehow illuminated exactly where the warhead is and in just 5 seconds it detonates. But during this whole time the trailing missile was also there so now you've just 3 seconds left to acquire this second missile and start heating it.
This is one of the key inherent challenges of a laser weapons, it's not a fire-n-forget system like missiles

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

C'mon Sir, please don't do this to me
At this point it feels like you're doing it intentionally
View attachment 18631

Yes Sir, I'm well aware with everything from SHiELD to LANCE to STRAFE.
But are you aware that most of these programs are either in hold or under review citing multiple technical issues?

I'm giving you two specific scenarios, please answer in the constraints to those.

1. Loss of power due to attenuation
Using Beer-Lambert Model (in GPT) to calculate the loss of power for a 1kW Infra-red laser fired at an altitude of 12km (typical for fighters) at a distance of 10km...it comes to 18%. So a kW laser would be roughly 800W at 10km. Which in turn means you'd need to pump a surplus of power to account for this attention, which in turn would mean a heightened SWaP requirment.

2. Reaction time
Let's say two Meteors are ripple fired at a target equipped with a laser pod. The time delay is 1sec so the gap should be around 500m (max Mach 4). At 10km from impact the fighter starts illuminating the leading missile. (The reason I'm using 10km is because it's what the typical maximum range for way more powerful land based lasers are, for airborne it'd be less). During endgame a missile like Meteor easily reaches Mach 4 so 10000/(4*340) = 8sec; 8 seconds is the time the laser would have to heat the missile enough to cause a malfunction. But let's say you're lucky and the laser somehow illuminated exactly where the warhead is and in just 5 seconds it detonates. But during this whole time the trailing missile was also there so now you've just 3 seconds left to acquire this second missile and start heating it.
This is one of the key inherent challenges of a laser weapons, it's not a fire-n-forget system like missiles

Replied in DEW thread:

Thread 'Directed Energy Weapon R&D: LASER MASER Particle-Beam etc.'

Jul 30, 2024

We can showcase & discuss all the DEW R&D around the world here.
Nuke is considered a deterent but it will result in MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) & ruin the entire planet for decades to centuries if used.
DEW might become ultimate deterent & supplement SAMs, AAMs, AGMs. It might compel to reduce size of forces, or at least humans in forces.

Every weapon has +/- points.
> Kinetic unpowered weapons like bullets, shells, etc or Kinetic powered weapons like rockets, missles, etc can be short to long range, can be guided in non line of sight mode. Sometimes the kinetic...

• Bhartiya Sainik
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[Ayan Barat]

You've mentioned Discovery Channel few times, so let me say something related...it's just yapping, don't take it otherwise.

Your message start with Discovery like tone "this is a picture of the US SHiELD laser" then out of nowhere you shift to more of an Ancient Aliens tone "agar ye bas wo chizein hain jo hum jaante hain, to sochiye wo sab kya hongi jo hum nahi jaante" and then you end everything with the tone of an Indian Defence YouTuber "following are some fan arts"

There should be some base on which a discussion should be done, you just can't bring up anything. Just like in academic research we've "double blind peer reviewed" and everything else is simply thrown in the bin. So here too should be some benchmark, right? Imagine we're discussing what's better Dashari or Alphonso and each time I reply with saying X fruit is better than mango.
• Please don't include fan arts or any information that's not officially from any part of the MIC (in brackets; Military Industrial Complex). Patents, reaserch papers, failed concepts, leaked slides all are more than enough; but please don't go the unofficial route. It's not for me, it's for you...you'd start losing the credibility of your message.
• Doing an educated guess of the near future is good, but don't speculate very far into the future no matter how sure you're. Let me make it bit more clear; today based on the trends I can confidently say that in the next five years, every single rifle would be more or less a Magpul Masada. But if I say that 10 years from now laser would be fired from rifles then I'd be making a fool of myself.
Again, I'm not burdening you with my thought process I'm just telling you what had already happened in past...from 1980s to early 90s everyone kind of speculated that by 2010 all the cartridges would be replaced by caseless ammunition. Fast forward 2024 and there's still no true caseless ammunition. So this is one big disadvantage of arguing agar abhi aisa hai to socho dus saal baad kaisa hoga...we don't know, we can't predict. We're probably operating at the apex of a VUCA (again in brackets, Volatile Uncertain Complex & Ambiguous) enviornment
• "If we were doing this in 2000s then imagine what we could do in 2025"
This might be bit flawed of an argument as it's more inclined towards correlation than causation. In 1900s Tesla was working on long range wireless transmission of electricity. In 1960s people were tinkering with sending satellites in orbits using guns, in fraction of the cost of a rocket. In 60s USAF was flying aircrafts with nuclear reactors that could remain airborne for months.
So by that logic in 2025 we should be at the pinnacle of these technologies. But are we?

Now coming to specific points of your message

See even after requesting, you're still not learning to use expansion of acronyms for the audience.

C'mon Sir, sometimes short forms are the "name" and you don't expand it, specially in these fields. Stop this obsession. When was the last time you heard someone say High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle instead of saying HMMWV?
Even in non defence field; when was the last time a friend of yours told you that they really like the new Bayerische Motoren Werke X7 instead of saying BMW X7?

Why don't you share this kind of pics, diagrams before questioning audience?

Because there are multiple problems in it
• what's the point of sharing the image of a big ahh trailer mounted laser system when we're discussing laser miniaturised enough to be carried in a pod? Yesterday only I told you about the importance of SWaP and you seem to completely miss it
• but even more important, what's exactly is the point of diverting the whole discussion to DRDO making a laser? What were we discussing? The efficacy of using lasers to shoot down missiles with USA being the sample (because they're leaps and bounds ahead of the contemporaries).......so what exactly is that point of bringing Durga and Kali here!? Arrreee kyun Bhai
• and what's the point of basing our discussion on DRDO's laser pod that's "planned" to achieve 5kW power when we're already discussing much more powerful US ones?

> It is a simple R&D lifecycle, every new thing requires pauses, testing, reviews, issues, re-engineering, etc. Since 1990s i'm aware through Discovery Channel about SDI (Strategic Defence Initiave) / STAR WARS, focussing on DEW (Directed energy Weapon) which started in 1983. It has been 40 years since. Many documentaries mentioned many kinds of initial challenges. Is it stopping the world or our DRDO?
And today's media is also used to mislead/discourage the global rivals.
In last few decades, just like START (Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty) there could be some diplomatic agreements b/w super powers not to start a new high tech arms race, but now it seems it is falling apart.
With global progress now a new race seems inevitable.

Again.
I'm sorry but I don't operate with these kind of "media is used to mislead", "diplomatic agreement between superpower", "what was happening 40 years ago". I prefer a bit of an factual route. Doesn't matter whether you've done B. Tech or M. Tech or done that today or two decades earlier...the basic parlance of science must be the same, right? A valid scientific theory is predictive, verifiable, and replicable.
DragonFire is 2020s laser technology and its SWaP are - the size of a trailer, for atleast 50kW laser. IronBeam is another laser from 2020s whose SWaP are - again a trailer and power of 100kW. All with the effective range of around 10km.
This is the level at which I operate, it's factual.

We don't live in a lossless world. There are losses in every/most physical, chemical, biological, mathematical aspects of nature. But that has not stopped technology advancements in any domain. Those losses are considered in R&D.

Again this jeevan to kathinaiyo ka hi naam hai, par kab is kathinai ne jeevan ko roka hai. Why you suddenly switch to this spiritual tone? We're not talking about loss in the mathematical of the nature. We're simply talking about attention. The reason for the need to repeater towers, or why radars can't work underwater, why high-intensity light is is used for optical fibre transmission...and why lasers would suffer unless fired in space!

We don't live in a lossless world. There are losses in every/most physical, chemical, biological, mathematical aspects of nature. But that has not stopped technology advancements in any domain. Those losses are considered in R&D. You'are talking about 1KW laser while USA has disclosed 300+KW laser for 6gen fighter jet. Then imagine what is the classified spec.
For the audience, here is a small collage of what i'm aware of superficially, some slides are 8yo from 2016 or before perhaps, you must be aware of it obviously when you mentioned SHIELD, LANCE, STRAFE:

God damn it Man; if an investment agent tells you that you'd get 10 rupees if you invest 100 then are you going to grab his collar? 100 rupay? Bas 100 rupay? Gareeb samjha hai kya be? Pura khandan kharid sakta hu?
Or will you calculate that if it's 10 in 100 then how much would it be for 10000?
It's called unit calculation my Guy and it's done to get a basic idea...if 1kW become 0.8kW then 300kW would be around 250kW.
Again this "Then imagine what is the classified spec" logic. "Agar dharti pe itni sundar kanyaein hain to swarg me..."
By the way, the collage you posted itself says that the current goal is to achieve more than 100kW in future...don't know where exactly you'd got this idea of already disclosed 300kW
The slide with 300kW written on it is older 2015 paper, in more recent 2022 one see how it's reduced to just >100kW.

You're going the right way but 1 aperture/pod may not be enough. So the obvious next step of thinking in design would be to have multiple apertures.

SWaP SWaP SWaP SWaP SWaP...why you keep flushing it down the toilet?
We're already struggling with supplying enough power to a single laser and now you're bringing in multiple?
What are you going to use to power this set-up? Hextech? (In case you ask quoting Hextech with three emojis...it's a video game reference)

This is the longest someone has ever made me yap
Congratulations on that

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

You've mentioned Discovery Channel few times, so let me say something related...it's just yapping, don't take it otherwise.

Your message start with Discovery like tone "this is a picture of the US SHiELD laser" then out of nowhere you shift to more of an Ancient Aliens tone "agar ye bas wo chizein hain jo hum jaante hain, to sochiye wo sab kya hongi jo hum nahi jaante" and then you end everything with the tone of an Indian Defence YouTuber "following are some fan arts"

There should be some base on which a discussion should be done, you just can't bring up anything. Just like in academic research we've "double blind peer reviewed" and everything else is simply thrown in the bin. So here too should be some benchmark, right? Imagine we're discussing what's better Dashari or Alphonso and each time I reply with saying X fruit is better than mango.
• Please don't include fan arts or any information that's not officially from any part of the MIC (in brackets; Military Industrial Complex). Patents, reaserch papers, failed concepts, leaked slides all are more than enough; but please don't go the unofficial route. It's not for me, it's for you...you'd start losing the credibility of your message.
• Doing an educated guess of the near future is good, but don't speculate very far into the future no matter how sure you're. Let me make it bit more clear; today based on the trends I can confidently say that in the next five years, every single rifle would be more or less a Magpul Masada. But if I say that 10 years from now laser would be fired from rifles then I'd be making a fool of myself.
Again, I'm not burdening you with my thought process I'm just telling you what had already happened in past...from 1980s to early 90s everyone kind of speculated that by 2010 all the cartridges would be replaced by caseless ammunition. Fast forward 2024 and there's still no true caseless ammunition. So this is one big disadvantage of arguing agar abhi aisa hai to socho dus saal baad kaisa hoga...we don't know, we can't predict. We're probably operating at the apex of a VUCA (again in brackets, Volatile Uncertain Complex & Ambiguous) enviornment
• "If we were doing this in 2000s then imagine what we could do in 2025"
This might be bit flawed of an argument as it's more inclined towards correlation than causation. In 1900s Tesla was working on long range wireless transmission of electricity. In 1960s people were tinkering with sending satellites in orbits using guns, in fraction of the cost of a rocket. In 60s USAF was flying aircrafts with nuclear reactors that could remain airborne for months.
So by that logic in 2025 we should be at the pinnacle of these technologies. But are we?

Now coming to specific points of your message

C'mon Sir, sometimes short forms are the "name" and you don't expand it, specially in these fields. Stop this obsession. When was the last time you heard someone say High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle instead of saying HMMWV?
Even in non defence field; when was the last time a friend of yours told you that they really like the new Bayerische Motoren Werke X7 instead of saying BMW X7?

Because there are multiple problems in it
• what's the point of sharing the image of a big ahh trailer mounted laser system when we're discussing laser miniaturised enough to be carried in a pod? Yesterday only I told you about the importance of SWaP and you seem to completely miss it
• but even more important, what's exactly is the point of diverting the whole discussion to DRDO making a laser? What were we discussing? The efficacy of using lasers to shoot down missiles with USA being the sample (because they're leaps and bounds ahead of the contemporaries).......so what exactly is that point of bringing Durga and Kali here!? Arrreee kyun Bhai
• and what's the point of basing our discussion on DRDO's laser pod that's "planned" to achieve 5kW power when we're already discussing much more powerful US ones?

Again.
I'm sorry but I don't operate with these kind of "media is used to mislead", "diplomatic agreement between superpower", "what was happening 40 years ago". I prefer a bit of an factual route. Doesn't matter whether you've done B. Tech or M. Tech or done that today or two decades earlier...the basic parlance of science must be the same, right? A valid scientific theory is predictive, verifiable, and replicable.
DragonFire is 2020s laser technology and its SWaP are - the size of a trailer, for atleast 50kW laser. IronBeam is another laser from 2020s whose SWaP are - again a trailer and power of 100kW. All with the effective range of around 10km.
This is the level at which I operate, it's factual.

Again this jeevan to kathinaiyo ka hi naam hai, par kab is kathinai ne jeevan ko roka hai. Why you suddenly switch to this spiritual tone? We're not talking about loss in the mathematical of the nature. We're simply talking about attention. The reason for the need to repeater towers, or why radars can't work underwater, why high-intensity light is is used for optical fibre transmission...and why lasers would suffer unless fired in space!

God damn it Man; if an investment agent tells you that you'd get 10 rupees if you invest 100 then are you going to grab his collar? 100 rupay? Bas 100 rupay? Gareeb samjha hai kya be? Pura khandan kharid sakta hu?
Or will you calculate that if it's 10 in 100 then how much would it be for 10000?
It's called unit calculation my Guy and it's done to get a basic idea...if 1kW become 0.8kW then 300kW would be around 250kW.
Again this "Then imagine what is the classified spec" logic. "Agar dharti pe itni sundar kanyaein hain to swarg me..."
By the way, the collage you posted itself says that the current goal is to achieve more than 100kW in future...don't know where exactly you'd got this idea of already disclosed 300kW
The slide with 300kW written on it is older 2015 paper, in more recent 2022 one see how it's reduced to just >100kW.

SWaP SWaP SWaP SWaP SWaP...why you keep flushing it down the toilet?
We're already struggling with supplying enough power to a single laser and now you're bringing in multiple?
What are you going to use to power this set-up? Hextech? (In case you ask quoting Hextech with three emojis...it's a video game reference)

This is the longest someone has ever made me yap
Congratulations on that

Don't spam this thread when there is DEW thread. I'll reply on topic there.
But here perhaps you can give brief intro about yourself for mutual understanding & what are your expectations from other enthusiast members.
We are not your clones. Don't try to control others, just present yourself politely with data you have. Some people will definitely like it, some would feal jealous, don't keep any expectations or you'll feel bad.
And people like me are into deep into our job related industry, family men, what are you trying to teach us for time pass when we have not violated any rule? Don't do this, that?

 

[Ayan Barat]

Give them their own sub forum or make them mods of this subforum

Spoiler: 🥺

Arre kaahe naahi Maalik, ek dum...au sanghe tanik dihaadi au aawan jaawan kharch ke intezaam ho jaayi ta bhagwan tohre sab ke bhala karin

I'm happy being the resident shitposter here on DFB, don't have the capacity to deal with the politics of being a Mod.
"Why you removed my post?" "I didn't remove you're post, it was some other mod. I won't name him but it starts with A and has four letters" "Everybody! Sab ke sab chor hain saale - in Anil Kapoor voice"
Good Lord

 

[Anants]

Spoiler: 🥺

Arre kaahe naahi Maalik, ek dum...au sanghe tanik dihaadi au aawan jaawan kharch ke intezaam ho jaayi ta bhagwan tohre sab ke bhala karin

I'm happy being the resident shitposter here on DFB, don't have the capacity to deal with the politics of being a Mod.
"Why you removed my post?" "I didn't remove you're post, it was some other mod. I won't name him but it starts with A and has four letters" "Everybody! Sab ke sab chor hain saale - in Anil Kapoor voice"
Good Lord

Arrey koi naa delete posts ans blame on greys in ufo. Say there is a resident grey masquerading as human moderator in DFB. People will rally around you

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

You've mentioned Discovery Channel few times, so let me say something related...it's just yapping, don't take it otherwise.

Your message start with Discovery like tone "this is a picture of the US SHiELD laser" then out of nowhere you shift to more of an Ancient Aliens tone "agar ye bas wo chizein hain jo hum jaante hain, to sochiye wo sab kya hongi jo hum nahi jaante" and then you end everything with the tone of an Indian Defence YouTuber "following are some fan arts"

There should be some base on which a discussion should be done, you just can't bring up anything. Just like in academic research we've "double blind peer reviewed" and everything else is simply thrown in the bin. So here too should be some benchmark, right? Imagine we're discussing what's better Dashari or Alphonso and each time I reply with saying X fruit is better than mango.
• Please don't include fan arts or any information that's not officially from any part of the MIC (in brackets; Military Industrial Complex). Patents, reaserch papers, failed concepts, leaked slides all are more than enough; but please don't go the unofficial route. It's not for me, it's for you...you'd start losing the credibility of your message.
• Doing an educated guess of the near future is good, but don't speculate very far into the future no matter how sure you're. Let me make it bit more clear; today based on the trends I can confidently say that in the next five years, every single rifle would be more or less a Magpul Masada. But if I say that 10 years from now laser would be fired from rifles then I'd be making a fool of myself.
Again, I'm not burdening you with my thought process I'm just telling you what had already happened in past...from 1980s to early 90s everyone kind of speculated that by 2010 all the cartridges would be replaced by caseless ammunition. Fast forward 2024 and there's still no true caseless ammunition. So this is one big disadvantage of arguing agar abhi aisa hai to socho dus saal baad kaisa hoga...we don't know, we can't predict. We're probably operating at the apex of a VUCA (again in brackets, Volatile Uncertain Complex & Ambiguous) enviornment
• "If we were doing this in 2000s then imagine what we could do in 2025"
This might be bit flawed of an argument as it's more inclined towards correlation than causation. In 1900s Tesla was working on long range wireless transmission of electricity. In 1960s people were tinkering with sending satellites in orbits using guns, in fraction of the cost of a rocket. In 60s USAF was flying aircrafts with nuclear reactors that could remain airborne for months.
So by that logic in 2025 we should be at the pinnacle of these technologies. But are we?

OMG, you are talking like a manipulative proselytizer or as if you're disoriented. or like an insecured fresher afraid of losing job manipulating others to quit
You have problem with CAD
You have problem with labeled diagrams
You have problem with photos.
You have problem with TV documentaries.
You don't care if someone is technically qualified also.
You don't care if someone requests you politely also.
You wan't to dictate & micro-manage people like puppet.
What do you expect other members to do? Join a degree program for military study at CAPS (Center for Air Power Studies), IDSA (Institute for Defence Studies & Analysis), CENJOWS (CENter for JOint Warfare Studies), Manohar Parrikar Institute for Defence Studies and Analysis, etc. Then i'll open my own website, channel, etc, why waste time here? What is your academics/profession? Are you journalist, MTech, working with DoD or private defence firm?
We all are here for time pass even if we go to certain depth of things.
There are many forums like this & these are not affiliated to any Thinktank, University, etc.
So don't worry about me losing credibility bcoz i merely share the CAD, diagrams, pics, documentaries. If they are not worried then why should i be worried when it doesn't impact their or my professional & personal life? But you seem to be extremely worried.

C'mon Sir, sometimes short forms are the "name" and you don't expand it, specially in these fields. Stop this obsession. When was the last time you heard someone say High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle instead of saying HMMWV?
Even in non defence field; when was the last time a friend of yours told you that they really like the new Bayerische Motoren Werke X7 instead of saying BMW X7?

When 1st time someone hears about HMMWV pronounced as 'HumV' the person may not know that it is an acronym. If a person sees "HMMWV" written on vehicle then most probably he/she will ask what does it stand for. Same thing with BMW. But obviously it won't repeat again.
Same thing for defence acronymns. When was the last time & thread you mentioned SHIELD, LANCE, STRAFE??

Because there are multiple problems in it
• what's the point of sharing the image of a big ahh trailer mounted laser system when we're discussing laser miniaturised enough to be carried in a pod? Yesterday only I told you about the importance of SWaP and you seem to completely miss it
• but even more important, what's exactly is the point of diverting the whole discussion to DRDO making a laser? What were we discussing? The efficacy of using lasers to shoot down missiles with USA being the sample (because they're leaps and bounds ahead of the contemporaries).......so what exactly is that point of bringing Durga and Kali here!? Arrreee kyun Bhai
• and what's the point of basing our discussion on DRDO's laser pod that's "planned" to achieve 5kW power when we're already discussing much more powerful US ones?

Bcoz our DoD also seems to focus on DEW pod as per their slide, but the only pic which i have on the DEW tech is the trailer mounted HEL, so it is work in progress & we'll apparently have our own DEW pods.

Again.
I'm sorry but I don't operate with these kind of "media is used to mislead", "diplomatic agreement between superpower", "what was happening 40 years ago". I prefer a bit of an factual route.

Again,
Are you journalist, blogger, doing a degree on defence or working with DoD or defence firm? if you're connected to DoD then don't expect anything from us, simple. If you are just another non-DoD citizen then all of us are dependant on same online sources, but we may not spend that much time passionately as you do.
You are free to operate your way on facts & news. Don't expect others to be your clone. We can check 1st hand defence news & websites then, no need to come here or communicate with people like you.

Doesn't matter whether you've done B. Tech or M. Tech or done that today or two decades earlier...the basic parlance of science must be the same, right?
A valid scientific theory is predictive, verifiable, and replicable.

Your sentences are self-contradictory. The basic science people learn in school or even in BE/Btech is not enough to precisely talk on advanced real life applications, hence the speculations. You expect people to be tech-savvy, but don't respect their technical qualification, industrial experience & speculations.
Respect & understanding has to be mutual otherwise i can also say i don't care about your factual approach, age, qualification, experience, knowledge, profession, your personality profile, etc.
I always honestly say that i'm low IQ bcoz Engineering has vast heirarchy of professionals & i was excellent in programming but never liked solving PCM in school & college. And this is not R&D site.

DragonFire is 2020s laser technology and its SWaP are - the size of a trailer, for atleast 50kW laser. IronBeam is another laser from 2020s whose SWaP are - again a trailer and power of 100kW. All with the effective range of around 10km.
This is the level at which I operate, it's factual.

Nothing exceptional or subtle about it. Most pics & diagrams i have shared are also factual & some others are conceptual. That's how most enthusisasts operate. But you don't understand how a casual chat forum works - filling each other's blanks. You can't tolerate others' speculations.

Again this jeevan to kathinaiyo ka hi naam hai, par kab is kathinai ne jeevan ko roka hai. Why you suddenly switch to this spiritual tone? We're not talking about loss in the mathematical of the nature. We're simply talking about attention. The reason for the need to repeater towers, or why radars can't work underwater, why high-intensity light is is used for optical fibre transmission...and why lasers would suffer unless fired in space!

I mentioned physics, chemistry, maths, biology of nature. You focussed only on nature & connected it to spirituality. Attenuation of signal of any band happens due to the natural aspects only. You are one who is mentioning examples but still losing focus & going astray.

God damn it Man; if an investment agent tells you that you'd get 10 rupees if you invest 100 then are you going to grab his collar? 100 rupay? Bas 100 rupay? Gareeb samjha hai kya be? Pura khandan kharid sakta hu?
Or will you calculate that if it's 10 in 100 then how much would it be for 10000?
It's called unit calculation my Guy and it's done to get a basic idea...if 1kW become 0.8kW then 300kW would be around 250kW.
Again this "Then imagine what is the classified spec" logic. "Agar dharti pe itni sundar kanyaein hain to swarg me..."

Well, look at your own tone of examples while telling me using tone of Discovery Channel, Ancient Aliens, Youtuber. Complete your points, don't leave others confused, simple. But you look thinking more about sundar kanyaen while replying

By the way, the collage you posted itself says that the current goal is to achieve more than 100kW in future...don't know where exactly you'd got this idea of already disclosed 300kW
The slide with 300kW written on it is older 2015 paper, in more recent 2022 one see how it's reduced to just >100kW.

May be they wan't to edit & hide some details of their progress & confuse the world. It happens all the time. That may mean they are certainly upto something nasty.

SWaP SWaP SWaP SWaP SWaP...why you keep flushing it down the toilet?

You are being shown the pic of pod on Apache chopper, advertisement on F-16, notional diagrams & still you're crying SWaP SWaP SWaP. You can be satisfied only when USA demonstrates a jet destroying a target with DEW, bcoz you are factual. Well, that may be 5-10 yrs from now, keep waiting, you might in your 20s, no worries. I sincerely hope this website survives till then.

We're already struggling with supplying enough power to a single laser and now you're bringing in multiple?
What are you going to use to power this set-up?

Who's struggling? India/USA/Russia/China/EU? There are many types of laser with different setup size & power requirements. The pod they are projecting on f-16 & tested even on Apache chopper means it could be like plug n play. Or may be the yellow wires in the pic below provide some additional electricity. But ultimately it has come down to an attack chopper, not still on some Boeing 737 sized jet which they also use for R&D.
And the screenshot is from 2017 Youtube video, 7 years have passed. The point is that if this pod may not be powerful enough then they'll eventually reach their objective.



The F-16 AFTI had 2 pods at wing roots & you can't imagine 3-4 pods equivalent volume & weight embedded in a 6gen fighter? then you scientific thinking is OBSTRUCTIVE, NOT CONSTRUCTIVE.

Hextech? (In case you ask quoting Hextech with three emojis...it's a video game reference)

Now what's the point in going way out of topic?

Arrreee kyun Bhai

 

[Ayan Barat]

There's no point arguing with you Sir, you seem to operate at a level I've absolutely no idea of.
It's not like you're the only one here who comes up with ideas for discussion; Me, Anant, Bleh, Blood, Johny Baba and many more, all have multiple to and fro of discussions on ideas even way more vague than yours. Not a single time anyone of us has involved "are you a journalist/have you done M. Tech/I'm not tech savvy" so I don't know from where you're drawing that tangent.

I'm not going to counter each and every point of your message, I've already typed more than I needed to.
But for starter, let's talk about this

The F-16 AFTI had 2 pods at wing roots & you can't imagine 3-4 pods equivalent volume & weight embedded in a 6gen fighter?

So @Bhartiya Sainik , why didn't you post the complete picture of this F-16 AFTI? Specifically this one

Where it's clearly written that those wingroot pods were FLIR or Forward Looking Infrared; nothing fancy, the usual Litening Pod type system. But you presented those FLIRs are laser pods to justify your idea of using multiple lasers on a plane.

And by the way, it's SWaP - Size, Weight and Power

volume & weight

But it seems due to some unforeseen reasons you very conveniently stopped at just Weight and didn't touch the subject of power. Interesting
Or is because you also know that the power consumption of a laser designator in these types of FLIR is usually in the range of 10s of Watts in standby and few 100 Watts in short high powered bursts. And the kind of missile melting laser we're discussing needs atleast 10kW of power

My God Man

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

There's no point arguing with you Sir, you seem to operate at a level I've absolutely no idea of.

After general intro as a humble honest low IQ person & appreciating your knowledge also if you don't get other's level then it is your perception fault. But you simply don't care about others in your own words.

It's not like you're the only one here who comes up with ideas for discussion; Me, Anant, Bleh, Blood, Johny Baba and many more, all have multiple to and fro of discussions on ideas even way more vague than yours. Not a single time anyone of us has involved "are you a journalist/have you done M. Tech/I'm not tech savvy" so I don't know from where you're drawing that tangent.

And you are not only one with whom i'm discussing. I got my supporters & haters, hence i told you to present yourself politely with your data but not expect much or you'll feel bad.
And I drew that tangent bcoz you openly said that you don't care about others' qualification & experience. You expect people to be tech-savvy but openly offend others & then expect respect & appreciation but disrespect others? That's self-contradictory.
Ultimately you're afraid, not me, of giving honest generic intro of where in life you're & what do you do. I'm ready to meet F2F also if future favors & people don't stalk me or try to damage my social media profile.

I'm not going to counter each and every point of your message, I've already typed more than I needed to.
But for starter, let's talk about this

So @Bhartiya Sainik , why didn't you post the complete picture of this F-16 AFTI? Specifically this one
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Where it's clearly written that those wingroot pods were FLIR or Forward Looking Infrared; nothing fancy, the usual Litening Pod type system. But you presented those FLIRs are laser pods to justify your idea of using multiple lasers on a plane.

How impulsive & reflexive you are. You gave the answer to your question but still asking me.
Yes, that's the idea of analogy of DEW pods, so today in the ra of DAS, EOTS, DEW pod R&D why would i care about the actual purpose of those pods in F-16 AFTI back in 1989, 35 years ago?
You don't like this kind of speculations, that's your problem.

And by the way, it's SWaP - Size, Weight and Power

Yeah, so i'm trying to comprehend you & clarify over it by example but you still have problem.
You wan't audience to comprehend you or not????
What did i say:

The F-16 AFTI had 2 pods at wing roots & you can't imagine 3-4 pods equivalent volume & weight embedded in a 6gen fighter?

I shared the colllage for DEW earlier showing a slimmer pod than this, hence i used AFTI pods as analogy clarifying on SWaP you speak of, hence i asked you that a slim 4gen jet can have 2 pods permanent part of body then why a bigger 6gen can't have 4 pods or apertures. And to show that idea i shared a 14yo CAD, but you hate CADs & speculations.

But it seems due to some unforeseen reasons you very conveniently stopped at just Weight and didn't touch the subject of power. Interesting
Or is because you also know that the power consumption of a laser designator in these types of FLIR is usually in the range of 10s of Watts in standby and few 100 Watts in short high powered bursts. And the kind of missile melting laser we're discussing needs atleast 10kW of power

really?? what did i say on power:

There are many types of laser with different setup size & power requirements. The pod they are projecting on f-16 & tested even on Apache chopper means it could be like plug n play. Or may be the yellow wires in the pic below provide some additional electricity. But ultimately it has come down to an attack chopper, not still on some Boeing 737 sized jet which they also use for R&D. And the screenshot is from 2017 Youtube video, 7 years have passed. The point is that if this pod may not be powerful enough then they'll eventually reach their objective.

That's good enough to start with.
So again your comprehension fault.

Here is another pic i found of possible DEW turret, actual or notional


And i found a YT video where Jen Latka, Vice Precident of F-135 engine program said ECU (Engine Core Upgrade) is required for more electricity & cooling for certain type of weapon, i wonder what that is.

My God Man

Whether you are student or professional or self employed, you can't survive w/o society, so please get rid of this nasty typical youth habit of disrespecting people online, it will become a reflexive habit F2F also. Life teaches lessons to everyone & you are no exception.
You're your own god BTW i don't have any problem with atheist, agnostic, etc.

 

[Yuyutsu]

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/pakistan/comments/1hh8kxe/peace_and_unity_2015/


must be shown to porkie lovers of DMK. how he is comparing killings of tamils in sri lanka and it's response by LTTE and the rabid killings of jihadist worldwide coz u don't follow their religion.

 

[AbRaj]

Damn boy! This is literally going to be the most advanced shooting range in India or anywhere in Asia period

Universe. Alians will be dying to come and learn from Vishwaguru

 

[VictorDelta4]

Universe. Alians will be dying to come and learn from Vishwaguru

Bruv go troll somewhere else.