Chit Chat

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

I thought all castes were equal? Why can't they compete with the rest of the population?

Now if they admit they are incapable of competing with the rest of the popilation and that they are inferior and they need extra protection, I'll concede.

BTW, my caste is only about 5% of Andhra and Telangana. Why should my caste compete for only 40% open seats instead of 100%?

yes, all caste r equal, by hindu scriptures nd teaching....we cant compete mainly due to geography not due to religion . if u can somehow flatten our middle himalayan range (3000+ meter) nd change them in shivalik (outer himalayan with 1000-2000 meter height)...than we can also get all type of facilities, like other do.
do u really want to know why a tribe need protection etc??
my tribe population is approx 5000...if we look andhra nd Telangana population, its near 14 crore. so ur 5% population is near 70,00,000 lakh people. so if we compare my tribe nd ur caste ratio is near 1:1400 .
yes u hv near 43% open seats in government jobs/college. but all ur family women get benefitted with women reservation. u can also get benefitted by state reservation, sports quotas, freedom fighter family (atleast in uttarakhand some jobs given to that family) etc.
u should blame it for genral nd OBC...coz before 1991, 80% seats was open. later out of genral, OBC (27%) nd EWS (10%) created....by majority votes of genral members of parliament .
look about caste...we tribal consider ourself out of 4 cast. coz we live solely, so we do all 4 caste works. so we dont find ourself in any specific caste. although some was consider us vaishya, due to our business history with tibbetan people. some consider ourself striyas, due to our own very small empire, mahabharat time stories about kirati people nd fighting with gorkhas (nepali) for more than 8 years. although other most uttarakhand areas fall in gorkhas hand. some also consider us shudras. nd we were worshipping ourself. we only started to do worshipping from brahmans near 200 years. so we do all 4 varnas work.
thats why we dont criticize any caste. neither we blame others. we hv good relationship with everyone. only in reservation topic, i hv different views.

 

[Vinash]

yes, all caste r equal, by hindu scriptures nd teaching....we cant compete mainly due to geography not due to religion . if u can somehow flatten our middle himalayan range (3000+ meter) nd change them in shivalik (outer himalayan with 1000-2000 meter height)...than we can also get all type of facilities, like other do.
do u really want to know why a tribe need protection etc??
my tribe population is approx 5000...if we look andhra nd Telangana population, its near 14 crore. so ur 5% population is near 70,00,000 lakh people. so if we compare my tribe nd ur caste ratio is near 1:1400 .
yes u hv near 43% open seats in government jobs/college. but all ur family women get benefitted with women reservation. u can also get benefitted by state reservation, sports quotas, freedom fighter family (atleast in uttarakhand some jobs given to that family) etc.
u should blame it for genral nd OBC...coz before 1991, 80% seats was open. later out of genral, OBC (27%) nd EWS (10%) created....by majority votes of genral members of parliament .
look about caste...we tribal consider ourself out of 4 cast. coz we live solely, so we do all 4 caste works. so we dont find ourself in any specific caste. although some was consider us vaishya, due to our business history with tibbetan people. some consider ourself striyas, due to our own very small empire, mahabharat time stories about kirati people nd fighting with gorkhas (nepali) for more than 8 years. although other most uttarakhand areas fall in gorkhas hand. some also consider us shudras. nd we were worshipping ourself. we only started to do worshipping from brahmans near 200 years. so we do all 4 varnas work.
thats why we dont criticize any caste. neither we blame others. we hv good relationship with everyone. only in reservation topic, i hv different views.

If I can't compete for 100% seats because of some muh oppression historically, I want this country to fail and disintegrate. All people who get seats or jobs due to reservation are inferior IMO. No two ways about it. People are free to do mental gymnastics about why they deserve reservation but at the end of the day, they are admitting they are inferior and need special protection.

Anyway, I'm leaving this Bhimta shithole permanently next year. I can see this country's future and it's not going to be a good one.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Look mate, I am past that age so this reservation thingy does not really affect me but seriously, you have super cheap internet now; even at the remotest corners of the country. Open YouTube, look for tutorials and you are done!

Would you believe me if I say it is possible to clear the likes of JEE, GATE and CAT using nothing but free tutorials available on YouTube? Are you aware that people from tier 3/tier 4 engg colleges learn to code from YT tutorials and bag double digit LPA jobs?

That the majority still won't bother studying and spend their data packs on watching Instagram reels instead is entirely on themselves.

i hv internet facility...only after i moved (after 10th grade) from my area in a medium level town. this is 5th year, from when i m using internet. now recently (3-4 years ago) In my two villages one hv only BSNL tower near 4 km range. BSNL gives near 2g network capabilities, by which u can only call or msg. u hv to wait for minutes to open google search bar....other village hv airtel tower, near 40-50 km away. but coz its in a hill, so we get airtel signal (2-3 signal bar). u can only watch youtube video in 144 to 240 pixel quality. with lot of buffering.
our ancestrol village (near tibbet border) dont hv no roads (half build from 10-11 years) nd no mobile tower. i hv 3 villages.
but yes, now i hv 4g nd 5g network in my town.
sry this is my last comment...sry for off topic discussion. plz any admin either delete these comments or shift it to chit chat topic. thnx

 

[Vinash]

i hv internet facility...only after i moved (after 10th grade) from my area in a medium level town. this is 5th year, from when i m using internet. In my two villages one hv only BSNL tower near 4 km range. other village hv airtel tower, near 40-50 km away. but coz its in a hill, so we get airtel signal (2-3 signal bar). u can only watch youtube video in 144 to 240 pixel quality. with lot of buffering.
our ancestrol village (near tibbet border) dont hv no roads (half build from 10-11 years) nd no mobile tower. i hv 3 villages.
but yes, now i hv 4g nd 5g network in my town.

Plenty of poor, rural UC Hindus have the same issue.

But, they don't get reservation due to their caste. A rich, urban SC/ST will still get reservation.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Plenty of poor, rural UC Hindus have the same issue.

But, they don't get reservation due to their caste. A rich, urban SC/ST will still get reservation.

first thing if genral hv poor nd rural population, they should be in OBC nd EWS. they were created for genral poors, doesnt it??
second thing tribes didnt consider in any caste. or different people consider them in different caste. coz they did everything themself. i tell u reason in above comment. by d way if u hv time some day...plz visit any uttarakhand state jobs/college merit list. u will find even many genral (like as bisht, joshi, kandpal, rautela etc) in ST. they lived near ST areas, so they include themself in ST. even we didnt protest, coz they also face problems in their areas. i cant say about other state.
about tribes living in urban areas, near 10% tribes live in urban areas. mostly they migrate after their 10th nd 12 th grade education in rural areas.

Schedule Tribes in India

According to Census-2011, the number of scheduled tribes in India is 10, 42, 81,034.

www.jagranjosh.com

 

[Vinash]

first thing if genral hv poor nd rural population, they should be in OBC nd EWS. they were created for genral poors, doesnt it??
second thing tribes didnt consider in any caste. or different people consider them in different caste. coz they did everything themself. i tell u reason in above comment. by d way if u hv time some day...plz visit any uttarakhand state jobs/college merit list. u will find even many genral (like as bisht, joshi, kandpal, rautela etc) in ST. they lived near ST areas, so they include themself in ST. even we didnt protest, coz they also face problems in their areas. i cant say about other state.

Anyway, I'm moving the last 2-3 pages of reservation discussion to chit chat thread. This thead isn't the right place to talk about this.

 

[crazywithmath]

first thing, understand reservation purpose....its not a "poverty hatawo" scheme. for poor, their r many schemes. from manrega, free ration, scholarship, fees grant, mid day meal etc etc.
reservation means reserving something...it given to SC/ST coz they hv less representative in society/governence.

Not at all. At least on paper, they were supposed to be provided a 'platform' to create a 'level playing field' in a society that was deemed 'unfair'. India is not Lebanon, there is no concept of right to 'equal representation' in our system - irrespective of what the clown prince and his chamchas continue to yell.

In reality, this was just plain old appeasement -not too different from the strategy the INC adopted wrt Ms and islamists and an extension of the colonial era 'divide and rule' policy that aimed to prevent Hindu consolidation.

Even if it indeed reservations were all about 'fair representation' the policy still falls well short of its objectives. A tiny minority of SCs and STs gobbling up the entirety of the seats is anything but 'fair represention' at best and direct state sponsored elitism at worst.

The state is directly discriminating against the less fortunate SCs and STs, using them as a punching bag to claim moral superiority to its voters and has not ever bothered to course correct.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Not at all. At least on paper, they were supposed to be provided a 'platform' to create a 'level playing field' in a society that was deemed 'unfair'. India is not Lebanon, there is no concept of right to 'equal representation' in our system - irrespective of what the clown prince and his chamchas continue to yell.

In reality, this was just plain old appeasement -not too different from the strategy the INC adopted wrt Ms and islamists and an extension of the colonial era 'divide and rule' policy that aimed to prevent Hindu consolidation.

Even if it indeed reservations were all about 'fair representation' the policy still falls well short of its objectives. A tiny minority of SCs and STs gobbling up the entirety of the seats is anything but 'fair represention' at best and direct state sponsored elitism at worst.

The state is directly discriminating against the less fortunate SCs and STs, using them as a punching bag to claim moral superiority to its voters and has not ever bothered to course correct.

okkk...what is ur view in creamy layer standard. although its said creamy layers make to differentiate poor nd capable family. what about including people below 800000 yearly or 66000 monthly earning family in creamy layer. do u think any poor family in india earning near 800000 yearly or 66000 monthly??? it basically include poor nd lower middle class in OBC nd EWS. now tell me how r u justifying giving OBC nd genral middle class family reservation (27+10= 37%) on basis of facilating poor genral/OBC?
yes this creamy layer also include house size nd land size also. but people r only showing their village property nd not showing their other property in cities nd town.
In my view only poor nd middle class filled forms for government jobs. rich people dont need these type of less paying jobs. so if a selection process giving equal opportunity or fair selection to a community, whether they r poor or middle class....its not a bad choice. reservation didnt made for removing poverty, specially for SC/ST. just like in women reservation case. its all about their community representation.
coz OBC nd EWS created on economy condition, thats why creamy layer is necessary in OBC nd EWS.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

If I can't compete for 100% seats because of some muh oppression historically, I want this country to fail and disintegrate. All people who get seats or jobs due to reservation are inferior IMO. No two ways about it. People are free to do mental gymnastics about why they deserve reservation but at the end of the day, they are admitting they are inferior and need special protection.

Anyway, I'm leaving this Bhimta shithole permanently next year. I can see this country's future and it's not going to be a good one.

lol...so u want to our country fail nd disintegrate, coz u find difficulty in government jobs. ok i respect ur honesty, coz now i can guess ur mentality.
u r open to think who u consider some one superior nd inferior in different cases. i mean i show many people, who called themself superior coz their "supposed ancestors" was great...there r many people who consider indian education system shitty...there r many people who consider our education system on memory based nd waste...there r many people who consider grade system flawed....etc etc.
"bhimta shithole"...i guess u r calling bhimta to SC/ST, but they only makes near 20% population. even out of them lesser people consider themself bhimta. i dont understand why u gave constitution credit to ambedkar. didnt constitution assembly had 389 members?
best of luck to u nd make ur life better nd enjoyable. hope u will find government jobs in that new country . i will remember ur prophecy. happy new year in advance.

 

[Vinash]

lol...so u want to our country fail nd disintegrate, coz u find difficulty in government jobs. ok i respect ur honesty, coz now i can guess ur mentality.
u r open to think who u consider some one superior nd inferior in different cases. i mean i show many people, who called themself superior coz their "supposed ancestors" was great...there r many people who consider indian education system shitty...there r many people who consider our education system on memory based nd waste...there r many people who consider grade system flawed....etc etc.
"bhimta shithole"...i guess u r calling bhimta to SC/ST, but they only makes near 20% population. even out of them lesser people consider themself bhimta. i dont understand why u gave constitution credit to ambedkar. didnt constitution assembly had 389 members?
best of luck to u nd make ur life better nd enjoyable. hope u will find government jobs in that new country . i will remember ur prophecy. happy new year in advance.

Yes.

Not Government jobs but I'm more interested in Universities etc. Why should a poor UC have to compete for only 40% of University seats?

Any country that practices reservation should fail and it will.

Remember my prophecy, India is a weakling which even a country with 5 Lakh population like Maldives isn't afraid of. Before you say, Maldives has calmed down, yeah they've calmed down because they realised sweet talking will get them continous $$$$$ from Vishawacoolie India.

 

[crazywithmath]

okkk...what is ur view in creamy layer standard. although its said creamy layers make to differentiate poor nd capable family. what about including people below 800000 yearly or 66000 monthly earning family in creamy layer. do u think any poor family in india earning near 800000 yearly or 66000 monthly??? it basically include poor nd lower middle class in OBC nd EWS. now tell me how r u justifying giving OBC nd genral middle class family reservation (27+10= 37%) on basis of facilating poor genral/OBC?

The system the OBCs have is not perfect either. But way way more fair than the kind of 'one size fits all' policy they have on the SCs and STs because of the existence of a creamy layer (it effectively bars the elites from taking advantage of their reservation policies).

OBCs are just the avg Indian. In an ideal world they would not have any 'reservation'. Mandal happened because the non BJP non INC parties got scared of BJP's Hindutva brand of politics (this is an era when Ram Janmabhoomi Andolan was at its peak and Babri was demolished) and were actively looking to divide Hindus along caste/community faultlines to prevent a nationwide Hindu consolidation.

yes this creamy layer also include house size nd land size also. but people r only showing their village property nd not showing their other property in cities nd town.
In my view only poor nd middle class filled forms for government jobs. rich people dont need these type of less paying jobs.

It is not the government's job to determine who gets to engage in what kind of jobs because they claim to be an 'equal opportunity' employer.

so if a selection process giving equal opportunity or fair selection to a community, whether they r poor or middle class....its not a bad choice.

The selection process is indeed rigged against the poor. Did you even read my previous posts? A tiny minority of SCs of STs are gobbling up all the high paying govt jobs on offer - leaving the remaining 95% scrambling for some group D jobs at best.

reservation didnt made for removing poverty, specially for SC/ST. just like in women reservation case. its all about their community representation.

It is NOT about 'community representation' at all. We do not have any concept of 'community representation' in our system. This is a justification you are cooking up - not the government.

coz OBC nd EWS created on economy condition, thats why creamy layer is necessary in OBC nd EWS.

You should really read up the recent Supreme Court judgement where the milaards agreed that the SCs and the STs can indeed be subcategorized based on 'economic conditions' etc. The BJP ruled Haryana govt is already working on it.

Again, for the record, I oppose it personally becaude subcategorizing the SC/STs on the lines of the OBCs will only bring even more unqualified people into prominence - it is better to proceed with the status quo.

Reservations are indeed rigged against the poorest and is an inherently elitist policy that is touted as a cure to hide the systematic incompetence of successive governments and divide the Hindu electorate. I do not care if you are an ST or taking advantage of a system that is designed to favor the top 5% but do not try to defend the indefensible.

 

[Vinash]

When the next partition happens, UC Hindus must get their own country. UC's should work towards unity with fellow UC's. Don't be divided and don't fall for the muh Hindu unity BS. Right now, Hindu unity means all the perks for LC's and all responsibiities for UC's.

No need to share the new country with literal LEECHES.

 

[crazywithmath]

When the next partition happens, UC Hindus must get their own country. UC's should work towards unity with fellow UC's. Don't be divided and don't fall for the muh Hindu unity BS. Right now, Hindu unity means all the perks for LC's and all responsibiities for UC's.

No need to share the new country with literal LEECHES.

Bruh, calm down. There will be no partition. Caste kanging is not even electorally effective anymore, chill.

 

[Vinash]

These are the kind of illiterate jokers who become Judges in this shithole nation. Guy can't even speak 2 sentences properly but became a Judge because of his caste.

This guy is the one who destroyed the Hindu Temple in the Government residence area.

If Hindu gods are real, they will annihilate this Bhimta shithole.


View: https://x.com/neha_laldas/status/1873662338408308777

 

[Vinash]

What would happen to a non-Muslim judge who orders destruction of a Mosque in a Muslim country?

In India, napumsak Hindus can't touch the Bhimta judge who ordered the destruction of a Temple.

 

[Vinash]

Indian state is sold to Vatican and Arabs.

Subhumans can't even put open frauds in Jail.


View: https://x.com/total_woke_/status/1873375104937464115

 

[crazywithmath]

What would happen to a non-Muslim judge who orders destruction of a Mosque in a Muslim country?

In India, napumsak Hindus can't touch the Bhimta judge who ordered the destruction of a Temple.

MP PWD dismissed these claims, BTW.

“There was no temple in the Chief Justice's official bungalow when it was occupied, so how could it have been removed? The complaint is absolutely false, frivolous, and motivated. The Public Works Department (PWD) can confirm this.”

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

The system the OBCs have is not perfect either. But way way more fair than the kind of 'one size fits all' policy they have on the SCs and STs because of the existence of a creamy layer (it effectively bars the elites from taking advantage of their reservation policies).

OBCs are just the avg Indian. In an ideal world they would not have any 'reservation'. Mandal happened because the non BJP non INC parties got scared of BJP's Hindutva brand of politics (this is an era when Ram Janmabhoomi Andolan was at its peak and Babri was demolished) and were actively looking to divide Hindus along caste/community faultlines to prevent a nationwide Hindu consolidation.



It is not the government's job to determine who gets to engage in what kind of jobs because they claim to be an 'equal opportunity' employer.



The selection process is indeed rigged against the poor. Did you even read my previous posts? A tiny minority of SCs of STs are gobbling up all the high paying govt jobs on offer - leaving the remaining 95% scrambling for some group D jobs at best.



It is NOT about 'community representation' at all. We do not have any concept of 'community representation' in our system. This is a justification you are cooking up - not the government.



You should really read up the recent Supreme Court judgement where the milaards agreed that the SCs and the STs can indeed be subcategorized based on 'economic conditions' etc. The BJP ruled Haryana govt is already working on it.

Again, for the record, I oppose it personally becaude subcategorizing the SC/STs on the lines of the OBCs will only bring even more unqualified people into prominence - it is better to proceed with the status quo.

Reservations are indeed rigged against the poorest and is an inherently elitist policy that is touted as a cure to hide the systematic incompetence of successive governments and divide the Hindu electorate. I do not care if you are an ST or taking advantage of a system that is designed to favor the top 5% but do not try to defend the indefensible.

where is this data of top 5% ST taking most government jobs comes from?? can u show me that. i think u r mixing two different things :- government jobs nd wealth accumulation in ST.
yes it happening in some places, like meena community from rajasthan, they r dominating in ST. same thing happened in OBC, where yadav community is dominating most. same case in brahmans, where reddy community is dominating. same case in dalit, where kumar nd ram community dominate.
so every place hv some dominating community in every caste. that doesnt mean they r doing illegal or wrong thing. may be they r more focused in education nd preparing their children from childhood or they hv population number with them.
Supreme court nd parliament also agreed to give reservation to genral (OBC nd EWC) by economy means. which never was cretaria before 1991. so what we can expect, they again want same thing in SC/ST.
can u show me ST reservation given in constitution due to economy?? i dont see SC/ST nd women reservation given based on economy. thats why i m saying creamy layer dont make sense in SC/ST. but who can question decision of that judges panel, who hv no ST judge on it. how can be it not baised nd one sided.
i never show any protest of any tribes, who r saying only some community is benefitting from ST reservations. mostly this type noises i m hearing from genral people .

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Yes.

Not Government jobs but I'm more interested in Universities etc. Why should a poor UC have to compete for only 40% of University seats?

Any country that practices reservation should fail and it will.

Remember my prophecy, India is a weakling which even a country with 5 Lakh population like Maldives isn't afraid of. Before you say, Maldives has calmed down, yeah they've calmed down because they realised sweet talking will get them continous $$$$$ from Vishawacoolie India.

u r ignoring many factors...first thing all genral family females also benefit with women reservation in most colleges nd many government nd some time private jobs. including ur family females. beside this every state reserve college seats nd state level jobs for its state people. by that, that state genral (boy nd girl both) also get benefitted. sports quota also aviable for genral also. which help them in college nd some jobs also. u can argue how much that benefited a genral, compare to others...but its there, u cant blind ur eyes. beside this EWS nd OBC reservation also given to genral population. dont think OBC created from thin air.
if poor UC competing in open 43% seats, than its government nd their fault also. coz OBC nd EWS (near 37% reservation) created for economic weak class from 80% general in 1991 nd 2019. that why OBC full form is "other backward class". its not caste but class of genral.
i dont think, india need to afraid others to get prosper. these r two different things. well never mind. u will leave india next year. hope u will also leave ur negativity, pollitics, problems etc of india. just leave all these things to us indian people, who will never leave india. even we dont want to leave our state. u enjoy ur life in other country.

 

[Nutcracker]

I do not care if you are an ST or taking advantage of a system that is designed to favor the top 5% but do not try to defend the indefensible

Let it be how it is.
Despite creamy top of SCST getting most of the sests they have 2/3rd or sometimes even half the cut off of Gen. If govt even tried to introduce the creamy layer imagine the cut off worsening , additionally SCST at the bottom of the barrel itself will start rioting for benefit of affluent SCST.