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[Yuyutsu]

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do we have this at major airports in india?? south korean incident is a reminder this is quite alarming in india as well .

@COLDHEARTED AVIATOR you might know something. are we prepared for this?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

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do we have this at major airports in india?? south korean incident is a reminder this is quite alarming in india as well .

No we dont have.

Although military airfields do have Arrester Barrier Systems for the Jets.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Bhimta Republic is against nature's motto of "Survival of the fittest". Bhimta Republic artificially promotes it's weakest via reservations into every field.

I'm merely being logical. You are emotional and blind.

Bhimta Republic operates on principles that are unnatural. It'll be destroyed.

ok logical sir....suggest us how can we come in government jobs.
in uttarakhand total population is 1 crore approx. out of which 3% r ST population. now tell us how our tribe, which hv near 5000 population compete with other 1 crore people?? isnt it better we comepte in 3-4% of government jobs reserved for ST, where 300000 people r competing for 3-4% government jobs?
isnt it a natural way to give oppertunity to even tribes like us?? we also people of this nation nd wants our share also in country resources nd representation.
ur "survival of fittest" theory only beneficial for larger groups like genral, OBC nd SC. In ST every tribe hv different than other tribe. no one is united. mostly lived solely, near border areas or deep forests.

 

[Suryavanshi]

ok logical sir....suggest us how can we come in government jobs.
in uttarakhand total population is 1 crore approx. out of which 3% r ST population. now tell us how our tribe, which hv near 5000 population compete with other 1 crore people?? isnt it better we comepte in 3-4% of government jobs reserved for ST, where 300000 people r competing for 3-4% government jobs?
isnt it a natural way to give oppertunity to even tribes like us?? we also people of this nation nd wants our share also in country resources nd representation.

Don't know why you are asking this?

Give exam come out with top score, get job.

In your case people in deep and difficult to reach Uthrakhand region with improper resources should be given more age relaxation.
Let's Say a well to do guy from haridwsr will get upto 31 year age and same for you say who is from Chamoli should be 40 years.

Der ao durst ao

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Don't know what you are asking this?

Give exam come out with top score, get job.

In your case people in deep and difficult to reach Uthrakhand region with improper resources should be given more age relaxation.
Let's Say a well to do guy from haridwsr will get upto 31 year age and same for you say who is from Chamoli should be 40 years.

Der ao durst ao

do u think a student who compete his highschool nd intermediate from those type of schools...where only 2-4 teachers runs whole school nd their qualification near 12th/BA/BSC paas. even student some time give classes to lower classes. compete with students who get 2-3 extra tution classes, with proper educated teachers etc facility. nd than they hv to compete with others in 1:100 ratio (even more).
may be genius hv no problem with it. but common people like us cant compete. nd this is same like comparing a african (let say near somalian level) student to compete with a indian decent institution students.
problem with u guys, u think ST areas hv same facility near common indian villages. u need to visit some ST areas to understand.
if u think u can still compete. plz inroll ur children in ST areas schools, untill 10-12 grade. nd than say to them to compete with others....if u can this, then u proof me wrong.

 

[MasterChief]

Bhimta Republic is against nature's motto of "Survival of the fittest". Bhimta Republic artificially promotes it's weakest via reservations into every field.

I'm merely being logical. You are emotional and blind.

Bhimta Republic operates on principles that are unnatural. It'll be destroyed.

"Survival of the fittest" is not independent of brute numbers.. A tribe of a few extremely well built males can be exterminated by a much larger tribe of males with mediocre build..
FC population share among Indians is continually on the decline.. with SC/ST population share continually on the rise.. Like it or not.. you cannot ignore numbers.. We got to find a balance somewhere in the middle so that GC kids [ non EWS FCs and Creamy layer OBCs] have not less than 40 percent seats to compete for.. so that we encourage meritocracy while also catering to social justice / numbers...

 

[Numero]

do u think a student who compete his highschool nd intermediate from those type of schools...where only 2-4 teachers runs whole school nd their qualification near 12th/BA/BSC paas. even student some time give classes to lower classes. compete with students who get 2-3 extra tution classes, with proper educated teachers etc facility. nd than they hv to compete with others in 1:100 ratio (even more).
may be genius hv no problem with it. but common people like us cant compete. nd this is same like comparing a african (let say near somalian level) student to compete with a indian decent institution students.
problem with u guys, u think ST areas hv same facility near common indian villages. u need to visit some ST areas to understand.
if u think u can still compete. plz inroll ur children in ST areas schools, untill 10-12 grade. nd than say to them to compete with others....if u can this, then u proof me wrong.

India needs innovation, entrepreneurship. Too much obsession with govt jobs have doomed this nation.
Not even 4% of Indians are govt post holders. Why are we still obsessed over this?
Also there are so many subcategories in castes now that all are more or less competing the same. Obviously unreserved have to fight harder but things are getting tougher for other castes as well.

 

[crazywithmath]

do u think a student who compete his highschool nd intermediate from those type of schools...where only 2-4 teachers runs whole school nd their qualification near 12th/BA/BSC paas. even student some time give classes to lower classes. compete with students who get 2-3 extra tution classes, with proper educated teachers etc facility. nd than they hv to compete with others in 1:100 ratio (even more).
may be genius hv no problem with it. but common people like us cant compete. nd this is same like comparing a african (let say near somalian level) student to compete with a indian decent institution students.
problem with u guys, u think ST areas hv same facility near common indian villages. u need to visit some ST areas to understand.
if u think u can still compete. plz inroll ur children in ST areas schools, untill 10-12 grade. nd than say to them to compete with others....if u can this, then u proof me wrong.

Look mate, I am past that age so this reservation thingy does not really affect me but seriously, you have super cheap internet now; even at the remotest corners of the country. Open YouTube, look for tutorials and you are done!

Would you believe me if I say it is possible to clear the likes of JEE, GATE and CAT using nothing but free tutorials available on YouTube? Are you aware that people from tier 3/tier 4 engg colleges learn to code from YT tutorials and bag double digit LPA jobs?

That the majority still won't bother studying and spend their data packs on watching Instagram reels instead is entirely on themselves.

 

[MasterChief]

India needs innovation, entrepreneurship. Too much obsession with govt jobs have doomed this nation.
Not even 4% of Indians are govt post holders. Why are we still obsessed over this?
Also there are so many subcategories in castes now that all are more or less competing the same. Obviously unreserved have to fight harder but things are getting tougher for other castes as well.

Tell that to Gormint.. Why have they made Government jobs so attractive ? Multiple Pay commissions, job security, pensions..
Average salary in a government Group C or Group D job is many times the median income.. When even a Government Chaprasi is so set in life, how can you tell youth to not go bonkers for every trick in the book to get that job.. These tricks range from kanging for more caste based reservations to cheating in exams.. To reduce clamor for increasing caste based reservations, you need to reduce the attractiveness of Government jobs..

 

[Numero]

"Survival of the fittest" is not independent of brute numbers.. A tribe of a few extremely well built males can be exterminated by a much larger tribe of males with mediocre build..
FC population share among Indians is continually on the decline.. with SC/ST population share continually on the rise.. Like it or not.. you cannot ignore numbers.. We got to find a balance somewhere in the middle so that GC kids [ non EWS FCs and Creamy layer OBCs] have not less than 40 percent seats to compete for.. so that we encourage meritocracy while also catering to social justice / numbers...

There's no survival of the fittest. It's just micro-managing sides based on the vote bank.
We're living in a country with 250 million people living below poverty. Caste doesn't attest to poverty in today's timeline. Even if it does, reservation based on economical condition can solve that issue. We don't need caste based reservation for that.
Reservation in the name of caste is the stupidest thing in today's India. It only keeps people divided & contribute to more politics.
A good administrator should prove his/her merit first. Shouldn't get a role just because of quota mercy.

 

[Numero]

Tell that to Gormint.. Why have they made Government jobs so attractive ? Multiple Pay commissions, job security, pensions..
Average salary in a government Group C or Group D job is many times the median income.. When even a Government Chaprasi is so set in life, how can you tell youth to not go bonkers for every trick in the book to get that job.. These tricks range from kanging for more caste based reservations to cheating in exams.. To reduce clamor for increasing caste based reservations, you need to reduce the attractiveness of Government jobs..

Govt jobs will always be the way it is. Govt is doing their duty as they should do. Saying it again, Indians lack entrepreneurship skill. So they find everything to be boring beside govt job. Most are lazy asshats. They don't want skill based job. They just want a free flow of money & all to be settled like this for life. That's why China went ahead. They've work ethics. Can't blame the govt if people are chootya.
Even high paying private job holders settle for low paying clerk job in govt. They want monetory flow with little to no workload & a free flow of money for entire life.
Can't always blame govt. People here are visionless.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Look mate, I am past that age so this reservation thingy does not really affect me but seriously, you have super cheap internet now; even at the remotest corners of the country. Open YouTube, look for tutorials and you are done!

Would you believe me if I say it is possible to clear the likes of JEE, GATE and CAT using nothing but free tutorials available on YouTube? Are you aware that people from tier 3/4 engg colleges learn to code from YT tutorials and bag double digit LPA jobs?

It's not even about that if we see it with a clear lense.

He himself says that the education they get in those area is not enough, so who's fault is that?
The gormint obviously, buy does it occur to anybody that perhaps better educators and facilities would uplift them more than any reservation?

So in his scenarios he says Reservation is necessary for uplifitment, fair enough but what's the impact of it on overall population?
Say 1000 ST are competing for 10 seats, all had the same education standard that he described.

10 gets the job what about rest of the 990? As Vin says that are incapable if not for reservation, due to the sate of education they had been subjected to. Should rest of the 990 wait for another year to compete for 10 seats again the next very year and get uplifted?
Has it ever occurred to them that a demand for reservation in jobs only uplifted the few but a improvement in education would benefit rest of the 990 fellas. Even if they didn't get the job they can try their luck in rest of the private ecosystem with their education at hand. Proper basic education enables a man to pursue something other than a gormint job.

Penny wise pound foolish.


If the evil is state of education than it should be the main concern why put all the hopes in reservation?

Do the ST get some kind of moral glee after taking a position that they knew someone else could have gotten?
How is this any differnet than wignat demanding job just for being white? Fake sense of entitlement in both the case? "I deserved that thing because I want it desperately even if I do not do the position justice".

If the argument is that uper caste will discriminate against ST if they get all the post than say it for what it is, why dance around the topic?

@vin pahadi (kumauni)

 

[Suryavanshi]

Wasn't there a thread about this particular topic? I forgot actually. I will move these posts to that thread.

 

[Vinash]

ok logical sir....suggest us how can we come in government jobs.
in uttarakhand total population is 1 crore approx. out of which 3% r ST population. now tell us how our tribe, which hv near 5000 population compete with other 1 crore people?? isnt it better we comepte in 3-4% of government jobs reserved for ST, where 300000 people r competing for 3-4% government jobs?
isnt it a natural way to give oppertunity to even tribes like us?? we also people of this nation nd wants our share also in country resources nd representation.
ur "survival of fittest" theory only beneficial for larger groups like genral, OBC nd SC. In ST every tribe hv different than other tribe. no one is united. mostly lived solely, near border areas or deep forests.

I thought all castes were equal? Why can't they compete with the rest of the population?

Now if they admit they are incapable of competing with the rest of the popilation and that they are inferior and they need extra protection, I'll concede.

BTW, my caste is only about 5% of Andhra and Telangana. Why should my caste compete for only 40% open seats instead of 100%?

 

[crazywithmath]

It's not even about that if we see it with a clear lense.

He himself says that the education they get in those area is not enough, so who's fault is that?
The gormint obviously, buy does it occur to anybody that perhaps better educators and facilities would uplift them more than any reservation?

So in his scenarios he says Reservation is necessary for uplifitment, fair enough but what's the impact of it on overall population?
Say 1000 ST are competing for 10 seats, all had the same education standard that he described.

10 gets the job what about rest of the 990? As Vin says that are incapable if not for reservation, due to the sate of education they had been subjected to. Should rest of the 990 wait for another year to compete for 10 seats again the next very year and get uplifted?
Has it ever occurred to them that a demand for reservation in jobs only uplifted the few but a improvement in education would benefit rest of the 990 fellas. Even if they didn't get the job they can try their luck in rest of the private ecosystem with their education at hand. Proper basic education enables a man to pursue something other than a gormint job.

Penny wise pound foolish.


If the evil is state of education than it should be the main concern why put all the hopes in reservation?

Do the ST get some kind of moral glee after taking a position that they knew someone else could have gotten?
How is this any differnet than wignat demanding job just for being white? Fake sense of entitlement in both the case? "I deserved that thing because I want it desperately even if I do not do the position justice".

If the argument is that uper caste will discriminate against ST if they get all the post than say it for what it is, why dance around the topic?

@vin pahadi (kumauni)

This 'reservation' drama has only given rise to a class of 'neo-elites' among the SCs and STs. These are the guys who were the first movers, have the resources to invest in their future and are comfortably beating the avg SC/ST walla in every way imaginable.

For instance, there is this 'community' based in west (across Rajasthan etc) who have been grabbing a lion's share of all the available seats for the STs ever since 'reservation' was introduced. The worst part? These guys should not even be enjoying the fruits of this policy - because their inclusion in the ST list was the outcome of a simple clerical error. These guys have gotten rich since and keep outcompeting all other tribes.

Does the average ST guy really stand a chance against them? Not really. But he/she is still happy for his/her jaatbhois, have made emotional connections with their 'rights' and will still be swayed by the carrot swung before him/her.

At least the OBC guys have a creamy layer concept. SC/ST reservation systems are literally an institutionalized modern day zamindari system where your dad's status determines pretty much everything.

I do not support the introduction of a similar 'creamy layer concept' for the SCs and/or the STs btw (will make way for even more 'unqualified' people and bjpwallahs should just refrain from this drama altogether). Just pointing out how utterly comical this whole issue is.

 

[Gurmeet]

do u think a student who compete his highschool nd intermediate from those type of schools...where only 2-4 teachers runs whole school nd their qualification near 12th/BA/BSC paas. even student some time give classes to lower classes. compete with students who get 2-3 extra tution classes, with proper educated teachers etc facility. nd than they hv to compete with others in 1:100 ratio (even more).
may be genius hv no problem with it. but common people like us cant compete. nd this is same like comparing a african (let say near somalian level) student to compete with a indian decent institution students.
problem with u guys, u think ST areas hv same facility near common indian villages. u need to visit some ST areas to understand.
if u think u can still compete. plz inroll ur children in ST areas schools, untill 10-12 grade. nd than say to them to compete with others....if u can this, then u proof me wrong.

Exactly this instead of spending money on reservation and freebies. People should invest in better schools. Also I find consititution has premantely labelled people as their caste.

 

[shade2]

For instance, there is this 'community' based in west (across Rajasthan etc) who have been grabbing a lion's share of all the available seats for the STs ever since 'reservation' was introduced. The worst part? These guys should not even be enjoying the fruits of this policy - because their inclusion in the ST list was the outcome of a simple clerical error. These guys have gotten rich since and keep outcompeting all other tribes.

All with the same surname too.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

It's not even about that if we see it with a clear lense.

He himself says that the education they get in those area is not enough, so who's fault is that?
The gormint obviously, buy does it occur to anybody that perhaps better educators and facilities would uplift them more than any reservation?

So in his scenarios he says Reservation is necessary for uplifitment, fair enough but what's the impact of it on overall population?
Say 1000 ST are competing for 10 seats, all had the same education standard that he described.

10 gets the job what about rest of the 990? As Vin says that are incapable if not for reservation, due to the sate of education they had been subjected to. Should rest of the 990 wait for another year to compete for 10 seats again the next very year and get uplifted?
Has it ever occurred to them that a demand for reservation in jobs only uplifted the few but a improvement in education would benefit rest of the 990 fellas. Even if they didn't get the job they can try their luck in rest of the private ecosystem with their education at hand. Proper basic education enables a man to pursue something other than a gormint job.

Penny wise pound foolish.


If the evil is state of education than it should be the main concern why put all the hopes in reservation?

Do the ST get some kind of moral glee after taking a position that they knew someone else could have gotten?
How is this any differnet than wignat demanding job just for being white? Fake sense of entitlement in both the case? "I deserved that thing because I want it desperately even if I do not do the position justice".

If the argument is that uper caste will discriminate against ST if they get all the post than say it for what it is, why dance around the topic?

@vin pahadi (kumauni)

reservation benfit even lesser than 1% population of any caste...if we consider job as endgoal.
nd its not like only ST gets reservation...even genral gets many type of reservation as:- women reservation, sports quota, state reservation, EWS etc.
Wignet cant complain coz they get all facilities comapre to immigrants.
lastly:- our tribe is consider most educated in uttarakhand tribes, which hv near 80% literacy rate. but problem with the quality of education we get. if our base (i mean grade 10th nd 12th) developed from even worse than government schools. u cant compete others by taking 2-3 years proper education later in cities. coz first u hv no sense of importance of education nd neither u know what kind of race happening in outside of ur areas.
if u think, no a child can compete with others, however situation they faced in tgeir childhood. than be my guest. enroll ur children in ST area school nd give them education near 10 to 12th class. nd than say them to compete with others. do u ready to take this challenge? i bet u cant even ready to inroll ur children in ur village or cities government school, if u r middle class.

 

[Gurmeet]

reservation benfit even lesser than 1% population of any caste...if we consider job as endgoal.
nd its not like only ST gets reservation...even genral gets many type of reservation as:- women reservation, sports quota, state reservation, EWS etc.
Wignet cant complain coz they get all facilities comapre to immigrants.
lastly:- our tribe is consider most educated in uttarakhand tribes, which hv near 80% literacy rate. but problem with the quality of education we get. if our base (i mean grade 10th nd 12th) developed from even worse than government schools. u cant compete others by taking 2-3 years proper education later in cities. coz first u hv no sense of importance of education nd neither u know what kind of race happening in outside of ur areas.
if u think, no a child can compete with others, however situation they faced in tgeir childhood. than be my guest. enroll ur children in ST area school nd give them education near 10 to 12th class. nd than say them to compete with others. do u ready to take this challenge? i bet u cant even ready to inroll ur children in ur village or cities government school, if u r middle class.

The problem are the teachers. I know because I am also from Uttrakhand(kumanoi)

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

This 'reservation' drama has only given rise to a class of 'neo-elites' among the SCs and STs. These are the guys who were the first movers, have the resources to invest in their future and are comfortably beating the avg SC/ST walla in every way imaginable.

For instance, there is this 'community' based in west (across Rajasthan etc) who have been grabbing a lion's share of all the available seats for the STs ever since 'reservation' was introduced. The worst part? These guys should not even be enjoying the fruits of this policy - because their inclusion in the ST list was the outcome of a simple clerical error. These guys have gotten rich since and keep outcompeting all other tribes.

Does the average ST guy really stand a chance against them? Not really. But he/she is still happy for his/her jaatbhois, have made emotional connections with their 'rights' and will still be swayed by the carrot swung before him/her.

At least the OBC guys have a creamy layer concept. SC/ST reservation systems are literally an institutionalized modern day zamindari system where your dad's status determines pretty much everything.

I do not support the introduction of a similar 'creamy layer concept' for the SCs and/or the STs btw (will make way for even more 'unqualified' people and bjpwallahs should just refrain from this drama altogether). Just pointing out how utterly comical this whole issue is.

first thing, understand reservation purpose....its not a "poverty hatawo" scheme. for poor, their r many schemes. from manrega, free ration, scholarship, fees grant, mid day meal etc etc.
reservation means reserving something...it given to SC/ST coz they hv less representative in society/governence. just like women reservation given, no matter women is rich or poor. it given to women, so they can increase their 26% share in workforce, although they hv near 50% population.
now with all poor benefit....genral came of idea of giving reservation on base of economy. thats why creamy layer created in OBC nd EWS. we ST people dont get offended if middle class or poor class getting jobs, thats why u dont see any protest etc from ST community. i mean come on, do u think rich people enrolling their children in government jobs. do u really think 30000-200000 salary they want? indian genral/obc is only community in world (if i m not wrong), who benefiting in jobs nd college seats by reservation. i mean in other countries, they help poor citizen by scholarship, fees grant, less interest education loans etc...but they dont give poor benefit in college entry nd jobs. so u need to unbiased think, why u guys even taking reservation on base of economy. coz u taking other poor schemes as well (fees grant, scholarship etc)...do u think by allowing poor people, u r fullfilling merit?? yes helping them with low interest, scholarship, fees grant, mid day meal etc r welcome.
about tribes, many countries give tribes reservation nd other benefits due to obvious reasons. if we see indian context, tribes were last people to criticize for reservation. why?
genral = 10% reservation EWS (near 33% population).
OBC = 27% reservation (near 45% population).
SC = 14% reservation (near 14% population).
ST = 7-8% reservation (near 8% population).
so ST is least reservation taking nd also least in population. thats why our cutoff goes low. so if u want to end up reservation, ST is last people to leave it.