Chit Chat

[shade2]

The thing is not that how much indigenous content we both have or what system was copied to make that. The thing is that the curve Turkish defence industry follows is way way steeper than ours.

In 2009 the first ATAK flew with Italian assistance and by 2023 they'd moved on to ATAK 2. This goes same for multiple platforms.

But in our case some things just stop evolving or even if they do, the curve is so gradual that things start to become obsolete even before induction.

That is not what is being discussed here.
I think the whole forum would be in agreement that the Cockroach defense industry moves much faster than ours, same as the defence industry of our beloved Northern neighbor that is now rivaling the USN in tonnage

 

[Anants]

The salt against a counterpart of a Indian equipment is very reminiscent of a Paki forum.
No need for us to get our panties in a twist because we can't cope with our own circumstances.

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Turkey heli has been exported and that is a big achievement, everything else pales in comparison.

Let our own import force show interest in our system why no just acknowledged that there is something better out there?

JF 17 is also export success and so Sitara, hence must be better than LCA which has not been ordered sufficiently. Naade ke daayre se bahar aao aur akal kadao. I asked specifically about performance of avionics which you claimed is better than ours. Since ours is imported as you claim - what is the empirical evidence that Turkish avionics perform better than ours?

Turkish benefits from many NATO components being produced in their country. their defense industries are have tech collab with many European companies. Akin to we have with few Israeli companies. So their turn around time is definitely better because of availability of more variety of components.

But still I need to see why you think their avionics is better than our imported avionics in lch?

 

[Ayan Barat]

That is not what is being discussed here.

Isn't that the most important crux?

Both countries start with the same "X% indigenous content" thing and eventually one moves to a completely new iterations of it in a decade. While the other puts a ceremony with big banners saying Achieved the important milestone of 83% indigenous components and keeps patting it's back for weeks, some 20 years after that platform was developed.

But if someone really wanna do that ATAK main rotor diameter just 12m while LCH is 13m then go on, let's see how that helps in the long run.

 

[Anants]

Isn't that the most important crux?

Both countries start with the same "X% indigenous content" thing and eventually one moves to a completely new iterations of it in a decade. While the other puts a ceremony with big banners saying Achieved the important milestone of 83% indigenous components and keeps patting it's back for weeks, some 20 years after that platform was developed.

But if someone really wanna do that ATAK main rotor diameter just 12m while LCH is 13m then go on, let's see how that helps in the long run.

better lift hence better Altitude, hover capabilities - driven by better engine output?

 

[srev2004]

better lift hence better Altitude, hover capabilities - driven by better engine output?

Prachand can fly in siachen. The Turkish helicopter cannot

 

[Ayan Barat]

better lift hence better Altitude, hover capabilities - driven by better engine output?

PS: My most technical post on DFB

 

[shade2]

Isn't that the most important crux?

Both countries start with the same "X% indigenous content" thing and eventually one moves to a completely new iterations of it in a decade. While the other puts a ceremony with big banners saying Achieved the important milestone of 83% indigenous components and keeps patting it's back for weeks, some 20 years after that platform was developed.

But if someone really wanna do that ATAK main rotor diameter just 12m while LCH is 13m then go on, let's see how that helps in the long run.

Literally doesn't change that the Atak which that turkcel memer on Plebbit was kanging about is an Italian A129 Mangusta license-built by Turkroaches with some of their stuff added in, one can say it is as Turkish as the Su-30MKI is Indian

You can plug your "Turki defence industry more faster iterations better than us is more important than this" argument anywhere else, literally make a post by itself and everyone would be in agreement.

If some chinkoid would have compared their Chinky attack helicopters to LCH Prachand which they ofc have copied from somewhere I would give up and "take the L" like suryavanshi was saying

 

[Ayan Barat]

Literally doesn't change that the Atak which that turkcel memer on Plebbit was kanging about is an Italian A129 Mangusta license-built by Turkroaches with some of their stuff added in, one can say it is as Turkish as the Su-30MKI is Indian

You can plug your "Turki defence industry more faster iterations better than us is more important than this" argument anywhere else, literally make a post by itself and everyone would be in agreement

Missed my first post about this Pal eh
Sad...

Ummmn...that's just Turkish defence fanbois being Turkish defence fanbois; nothing unusual.

 

[Suryavanshi]

But still I need to see why you think their avionics is better than our imported avionics in lch?

Never said "Their avionics are better"

The LCH is indigenously designed with 45% made-in India components. What about TAI ATAK?

Same but even better probably.
Only the engine is bought from murica

"Even better probably" is about indigenous content hende why I quoted 95% indigenous content when asked for imperial evidence.

Saar I think you created a strawman statement of me praising their avionics.

Besides they use their own avionics while we use Israeli import


> indigenous content 95% vs 45%
> export
>battle tested
>used by their own forces
>own wepaons
>own avionics

prachand kanging needs to stop.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Prachand can fly in siachen. The Turkish helicopter cannot

Good sir most of the world isn't as high as Siachen, hence most of the world finds this factor redundant.

 

[srev2004]

Good sir most of the world isn't as high as Siachen, hence most of the world finds this factor redundant.

Then armed forces shouldn’t design our defense equipment, most of the world should. Can’t have it both ways

 

[shade2]

Good sir most of the world isn't as high as Siachen, hence most of the world finds this factor redundant.

Prachand was built for our own purposes, A129 Mangusta selected by Turks for their own purposes, exforts came later.
No need to bangle break over phoren platform xyz gigachad meme

 

[Suryavanshi]

Prachand was built for our own purposes, A129 Mangusta selected by Turks for their own purposes

Good that we come to an agreement, this concession is acceptable positions from the previous "Prachand gigachad" statement.

No need to bangle break over phoren platform xyz gigachad meme

Turk heli is gigachad by virtue of being used by its own forces and indigenous content
We can come back and Kang later once we have inducted them in large numbers as well as 95% indigenous content.
Until than our desi maal will get the cuckshed treatment. Why put so much brain in defending an item our own export force do not accept properly?

 

[Suryavanshi]

JF 17 is also export success and so Sitara, hence must be better than LCA which has not been ordered sufficiently.

Saar do you go to an easy sleep knowing that no amount of JF 17 block 3 is superior to tejas mark 1 even if our squadron no is dwindling.
Probably living in the alternate universe where 1 hindu gigachad Tejas mk 1 baniya will shoot down 10 JF 17 block 3 momin.

How long are we suppose to cope saar

 

[shade2]

Good that we come to an agreement, this concession is acceptable positions from the previous "Prachand gigachad" statement.


Turk heli is gigachad by virtue of being used by its own forces and indigenous content
We can come back and Kang later once we have inducted them in large numbers as well as 95% indigenous content.
Until than our desi maal will get the cuckshed treatment. Why put so much brain in defending an item our own export force do not accept properly?

Nobody is "kanging" over Prachand lmao


People are upset over the audacity of that Turkcel to compare his Italian screwdrivered maal to our own domestic design and produced product

And you know very well the reason why the Imported Forces do not accept it, same as they never accepted the Tejas, the Arjun tank, the whAp and i really don't know much more else.

Imported Forces perhaps want another 6 Apaches which can't even fly in Ladakh
Imported Forces want Rafale AND F16/Gripen over Tejas
Imported Forces wanted T90 over Arjun in the past
Imported Forces want Stryker over WhAp
Imported Forces wanted AK203 over INSAS improvements, now they want SIG716 over AK203 because ofc the Amerishart kickbacks are better


If i tag vishnugupt here that nibbiar will probably give you a whole ass list of things Import UN Genrols have scuttled for some imported maal.

Anyway stop overdosing on blackpills, you might turn into a liberal coolie

 

[shade2]

Saar do you go to an easy sleep knowing that no amount of JF 17 block 3 is superior to tejas mark 1 even if our squadron no is dwindling.
Probably living in the alternate universe where 1 hindu gigachad Tejas mk 1 baniya will shoot down 10 JF 17 block 3 momin.

How long are we suppose to cope saar

Yes saar, let us weep, break our bangles and despair in shadow of the Ola's mard -e- chowmein 3000 black JF-17s

 

[Suryavanshi]

Yes saar, let us weep, break our bangles and despair in shadow of the Ola's mard -e- chowmein 3000 black JF-17s

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I wouldn't have started blacpilling unless cope Churan was distributed.
Come on this is paki behavior of not acknowledging reality. Won't help us.

 

[shade2]

I wouldn't have started blacpilling unless cope Churan was distributed.
Come on this is paki behavior of not acknowledging reality. Won't help us.

AcKnOwLeDgiNG ReALiTy se kya hoga? Blackpilling hi? as if we are some top UPSC passout baboo[n]s or some uniformed Marshall Race Afsar or some top Khadi-jacket wearing mantri to change anything?

Do you expect unnecessary udta teer blackpilling will bring peace?



We may not have as much "ammo" as the NATO Cockroach mulq or the Factory of the World mulq to fire in e-lafdas, but we need not take it in the ass every time, all the time from some mlecch fuckers.

Even on that plebbit post assorted NAFO plebbitors are roasting the Turkroach over the screwdrivered Italian maal nature of their "Turkish" helicopter and here you are blackpilling

 

[Suryavanshi]

AcKnOwLeDgiNG ReALiTy se kya hoga? Blackpilling hi? as if we are some top UPSC passout baboo[n]s or some uniformed Marshall Race Afsar or some top Khadi-jacket wearing mantri to change anything?

Do you expect unnecessary udta teer blackpilling will bring peace?

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We may not have as much "ammo" as the NATO Cockroach mulq or the Factory of the World mulq to fire in e-lafdas, but we need not take it in the ass every time, all the time from some mlecch fuckers.

Even on that plebbit post assorted NAFO plebbitors are roasting the Turkroach over the screwdrivered Italian maal nature of their "Turkish" helicopter and here you are blackpilling

Good saar if I wanted to do blekpilling I would have done it in Prachand thread.
But this is chit chat thread and we can do our ghar ka dirty laundry.

Rest does not matter what mellech do and don't do we must grind in silence or get crushed under our own incompetence both should be an acceptable outcome.

" the best I can do is destroy my enemies "

 

[GodEmperorDoom]

Bhosdapillers better go on X to rant their illogical frustration. They can find their brethen there.

It is by God's Grace we have one functioning Gormint run Division that works properly and produced more than 400+ Helicopters Indigenously Designed Developed and Manufactured. By using same Bhosdapiller logic, Gripen wouldn't be Swedish as it's full of imported parts isn't it?

As for the 95% Indigenisation bullshit, they can't manufacture Engines, Silicon Chips, Display Cells, Electro Optics, Lenses and these 3 alone goes beyond 10% content.

Remember that much hyper muh Bayraktar Drones hyped only to find every part is imported ones.