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[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

let me conclude mindset of indian people nd how they join different religion :-
1:- wise nd allrounder minded people - sanatan dharma.
2:- business nd soft minded people - jainism.
3:- brave nd helping mindset people - sikhism.
4:- fool nd converting mindset people - buddhism.
5:- malecchas nd traitors mindset people - two dessert cult.
6:- stupid nd unlogical mindset people - atheist.
7:- confuse nd undecided minded people - agnostic.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

i m going to leave this forum, coz i hv to involve in other things in my life. so as a tribal, i m leaving my last comment. i see many hatred for ST community for reservation. let me put some of my points here about it, i know most of u dont like it. my one comment get deleted in this forum in same topic. but its coming from my perspective:-
why genral hate SC/ST reservation, but dont talk about their reservation:-
1:- before 1991, only SC/ST gets 20% reservation. but from 80% genral a new class OBC borned due to economy condition. who get 27% reservation. its same like EWS (except brahmans), they didnt face any discrimination etc. so they r genral even today, which include striyas, vaishya nd shudras also.
2:- than agian on economy condition 10% EWS reservation given to genral. so 20% reservation increased to today 57% reservation by genral.
3:- beside this genral also get benefitted by women reservation (other caste also). it applied in many colleges nd jobs also. which include "every genral family female" (with others).
4:- many states reserve college seats nd jobs for their own state people...that help that state genrals too. its also a "state reservation" which benefited by many genrals.
5:- sports quota:- this reservation also available for genrals also for college nd jobs.
6:- freedom fighter :- many state gives jobs to freedom fighters family...that also benefit many genrals.
now my point is :-
1:- u guys target ST nd others for reservation...but not criticize these reservation. u guys compare ur marks with ST person, do u ever think ur (genral) nd ST person form filling for college nd jobs ratio is more than 100:1 (even more) ...isnt it common sense that ST get lower cutoffs, coz they hv little (7-8%) population. i mean u r comparing 100 people (genral) against 1 guy (ST). do u not think if genral people fill lesser forms (in ST number), ur cutoff also get down???
2:- in world many countries give reservation to tribals...but tell me which country give reservation based on economy nd poverty?? i mean they give other benefits to poor student, but not college entry nd jobs. even in india, poor people get benefits like scholarship, fees grant, free primary education, mid day meal etc. instead of jobs isnt it better to give poor student scholarship, free books/dress, less interest education loans etc??
now either critisize whole reservation system which benefit many genrals also, or dont be hypocrite to only target SC/ST. even this system not given by us tribals, but majority genral in parliament nd protected by supreme court. so why blame us for this? In a democracy every community should hv representation. why u guys think all ST gets government jobs nd good college. those r not even 1% of ST population, same like in general case. goodbye. hv a good life....

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Turk here begging to get raitoed. Must be easy scoring brownie points in a nafo sub.

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[username unkown]

Turk here begging to get raitoed. Must be easy scoring brownie points in a nafo sub.

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Nothing to see just pigskin or kebab on their fantasy bubble lch prachand is better in every aspect then screwdrivered atak
Lch is ugly lol thats why kebab copied whole design to make thier drone heli

View: https://youtu.be/QQsQJgcuOh0?si=H8Nu42IJvVaBX45U
And offcourse atak is nato quality as it is screwdrivered by nato country on nato countries attack heli
Army/af could order billion dollar for 6 apache but still won't order indegenius heli they desperately need against china says alot
Hell fire army se puch atags , lch k order ayega ki isko 2050 tak kharch k isko out dated bolke army kuch import karengi

Import army for reason

 

[shade2]

Turk here begging to get raitoed. Must be easy scoring brownie points in a nafo sub.

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The turkroach helicopter is a screwdrivered Eurocopter Tiger/ A129 Mangusta

Eurocopter Tiger - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Agusta A129 Mangusta - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

LCH Prachand is an Indian designed and built choppa

Low quality bait by Mehmet

 

[Ayan Barat]

Turk here begging to get raitoed. Must be easy scoring brownie points in a nafo sub.

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Ummmn...that's just Turkish defence fanbois being Turkish defence fanbois; nothing unusual. This is the tier of fanbois based on how rabid they're
1. Indians (invincible; N-capable Agni-V goes brrrrr)
2. Turkish (hard to defeat; lots of tech, 5th gen)
3. Pakistani (pretty easy to defeat; just ask why didn't they intercept that BrahMos)
4. Bangladesi (cakewalk; open the dam)

But on a serious note, the competition from Turkish defence industry is pretty cutthroat. Take utility helicopter for example


It's hard to find this kind of neck and neck offerings. Whoever can play in the price part can easily beat in tender.

(Didn't knew where to put the later part of this post; Indian Defence Industry or DRDO so be it here)

 

[Hari Sud]

Here are my stray thoughts of current unsettled situation in the world.


The era of military conflict is over; today’s battles are economic.

War no longer solves the complex challenges of our world. The U.S. is realizing this in Ukraine, despite staying off the front lines, while Israel faces similar limits in the Middle East, where wars bring only fleeting relief. How, then, can we address today’s issues?

America won’t dismantle Russia through the Ukraine conflict; neither side can declare victory amid the heavy losses. During the 1960s and 1970s, the Soviet Union and the U.S. were locked in economic rivalry rather than war. Khrushchev boasted the Soviets would surpass U.S. productivity by the 1970s. The U.S. responded with the moon landing, competing in technology and economics rather than shooting wars.

The U.S. then sought to weaken the Soviet Union by aligning with China. Nixon’s engagement in 1971 opened a path for economic ties that turned China into a global manufacturing hub. Meanwhile, the Soviet Union, focused on military threats, neglected its economy, culminating in Afghanistan—a costly drain hastening its collapse. Russia, its weakened successor, could not compete economically, while China rose.

By 2012, China was strong enough to push its own agenda, particularly integrating Taiwan, though it avoided conflict to protect commercial ties with the U.S. While both nations aim for economic dominance, they know war would disrupt their goals, shifting competition to the economic and technological arena is a better way to compete.

India will soon join the economic and technological race. While it currently lacks the resources to compete with the U.S. and China, its economy is projected to reach the $10 trillion mark within the next decade—a milestone that will make India’s rise impossible to ignore. India’s growth, both economically and technologically, will add another voice for the so-called “third world.” Less dependent on exports, it is likely to respond more to the world’s current needs than to engage in direct conflicts.

In this complex global landscape, wars in Ukraine and the Middle East offer no lasting solutions. Real progress lies in economic growth that serves populations and improves livelihoods. With over seven billion people seeking better lives, sustainable growth is a more effective answer than conflict. This should be our new mantra for the century.

Somehow, we must shift our focus from military conflict to economic development and technological advancement. With seven billion mouths to feed and the devastating effects of climate change already apparent, we must channel resources from wars into an economic and technological revolution. This shift will serve humanity far better.

 

[Anants]

i m going to leave this forum, coz i hv to involve in other things in my life. so as a tribal, i m leaving my last comment. i see many hatred for ST community for reservation. let me put some of my points here about it, i know most of u dont like it. my one comment get deleted in this forum in same topic. but its coming from my perspective:-
why genral hate SC/ST reservation, but dont talk about their reservation:-
1:- before 1991, only SC/ST gets 20% reservation. but from 80% genral a new class OBC borned due to economy condition. who get 27% reservation. its same like EWS (except brahmans), they didnt face any discrimination etc. so they r genral even today, which include striyas, vaishya nd shudras also.
2:- than agian on economy condition 10% EWS reservation given to genral. so 20% reservation increased to today 57% reservation by genral.
3:- beside this genral also get benefitted by women reservation (other caste also). it applied in many colleges nd jobs also. which include "every genral family female" (with others).
4:- many states reserve college seats nd jobs for their own state people...that help that state genrals too. its also a "state reservation" which benefited by many genrals.
5:- sports quota:- this reservation also available for genrals also for college nd jobs.
6:- freedom fighter :- many state gives jobs to freedom fighters family...that also benefit many genrals.
now my point is :-
1:- u guys target ST nd others for reservation...but not criticize these reservation. u guys compare ur marks with ST person, do u ever think ur (genral) nd ST person form filling for college nd jobs ratio is more than 100:1 (even more) ...isnt it common sense that ST get lower cutoffs, coz they hv little (7-8%) population. i mean u r comparing 100 people (genral) against 1 guy (ST). do u not think if genral people fill lesser forms (in ST number), ur cutoff also get down???
2:- in world many countries give reservation to tribals...but tell me which country give reservation based on economy nd poverty?? i mean they give other benefits to poor student, but not college entry nd jobs. even in india, poor people get benefits like scholarship, fees grant, free primary education, mid day meal etc. instead of jobs isnt it better to give poor student scholarship, free books/dress, less interest education loans etc??
now either critisize whole reservation system which benefit many genrals also, or dont be hypocrite to only target SC/ST. even this system not given by us tribals, but majority genral in parliament nd protected by supreme court. so why blame us for this? In a democracy every community should hv representation. why u guys think all ST gets government jobs nd good college. those r not even 1% of ST population, same like in general case. goodbye. hv a good life....

umm you got it wrong. No one is against reservation for deserving ST and SC students, even genuine OBC students. Whats really disappoints someone - is somebody affluent grabbing seats of deserving one.
A poor woman children desperate to get school admission in a city where they moved to - but cant as system desnies them adhaar card. But some come for neighboring countries and get all done in jiffy and take leverage of all facilities.

See this is the problem. And there are always two sides to story. Not everyone from GC came from generational wealthy family - infact story is quite opposite. They were struggling before independence and are still struggling after Independence to make themselves. Whats needed is overhauling of reservation such that it reaches all tribal and sc's and lifts them out of poverty and explotation. And for that somebody whose multi generation has benefitted from reservation and made themselves good and independent should ideally give up reservation voluntary.

Stay on.. keep posting.. its always to good to hear various perspectives. I enjoy your Uttarakhand videos.

 

[Azaad]

i m going to leave this forum, coz i hv to involve in other things in my life. so as a tribal, i m leaving my last comment. i see many hatred for ST community for reservation. let me put some of my points here about it, i know most of u dont like it. my one comment get deleted in this forum in same topic. but its coming from my perspective:-
why genral hate SC/ST reservation, but dont talk about their reservation:-
1:- before 1991, only SC/ST gets 20% reservation. but from 80% genral a new class OBC borned due to economy condition. who get 27% reservation. its same like EWS (except brahmans), they didnt face any discrimination etc. so they r genral even today, which include striyas, vaishya nd shudras also.
2:- than agian on economy condition 10% EWS reservation given to genral. so 20% reservation increased to today 57% reservation by genral.
3:- beside this genral also get benefitted by women reservation (other caste also). it applied in many colleges nd jobs also. which include "every genral family female" (with others).
4:- many states reserve college seats nd jobs for their own state people...that help that state genrals too. its also a "state reservation" which benefited by many genrals.
5:- sports quota:- this reservation also available for genrals also for college nd jobs.
6:- freedom fighter :- many state gives jobs to freedom fighters family...that also benefit many genrals.
now my point is :-
1:- u guys target ST nd others for reservation...but not criticize these reservation. u guys compare ur marks with ST person, do u ever think ur (genral) nd ST person form filling for college nd jobs ratio is more than 100:1 (even more) ...isnt it common sense that ST get lower cutoffs, coz they hv little (7-8%) population. i mean u r comparing 100 people (genral) against 1 guy (ST). do u not think if genral people fill lesser forms (in ST number), ur cutoff also get down???
2:- in world many countries give reservation to tribals...but tell me which country give reservation based on economy nd poverty?? i mean they give other benefits to poor student, but not college entry nd jobs. even in india, poor people get benefits like scholarship, fees grant, free primary education, mid day meal etc. instead of jobs isnt it better to give poor student scholarship, free books/dress, less interest education loans etc??
now either critisize whole reservation system which benefit many genrals also, or dont be hypocrite to only target SC/ST. even this system not given by us tribals, but majority genral in parliament nd protected by supreme court. so why blame us for this? In a democracy every community should hv representation. why u guys think all ST gets government jobs nd good college. those r not even 1% of ST population, same like in general case. goodbye. hv a good life....

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/oti52ErZA4U?si=fmmqvQFyDjehR0if

 

[Suryavanshi]

The turkroach helicopter is a screwdrivered Eurocopter Tiger/ A129 Mangusta

Eurocopter Tiger - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Agusta A129 Mangusta - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

LCH Prachand is an Indian designed and built choppa

Low quality bait by Mehmet

If you look at it closely.
Their heli is about as indigenous as ours.
Somewhat better since it has been exported.

We have to take the L since even our our Import force aren't buying into it.

There can't be no rebuttal to this.

 

[Anants]

If you look at it closely.
Their heli is about as indigenous as ours.

How?
ATAK is more akin to Sukhoi 30 MKI program
whereas LCH is more akin to JAS 39 prog.

 

[Suryavanshi]

How?
ATAK is more akin to Sukhoi 30 MKI program
whereas LCH is more akin to JAS 39 prog.

Avionics are home made ours aren't.
Same for most of the mounted weapons.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

If you look at it closely.
Their heli is about as indigenous as ours.
Somewhat better since it has been exported.

We have to take the L since even our our Import force aren't buying into it.

There can't be no rebuttal to this.

Turks are masters of selling crap. The Mongoose uses Honeywell engines and they can't just sell it to whoever they want. But they hyped up the TB-2 drones as if they were Jesus mk2. Turks always have a full portfolio thanks to steady access to NATO brains and means. On the other hand if you ask our babus to sell a product, the best they'll come up with is a ppt. Turks meanwhile are all over social media with videos, shorts, high quality footage, backed up by aggressive marketing and pricing.

How?
ATAK is more akin to Sukhoi 30 MKI program
whereas LCH is more akin to JAS 39 prog.

Only difference in the Mongoose is Turkish avionics and weapons integration. But they have to pay a heavy licensing fee to Leonardo, and the per unit cost balloons over a Mk1A Tejas at 55 mil a piece. LCH is faster, has a 2500 meters higher service ceiling while carrying a similar payload, has much more engine power, more than a ton higher MTOW, while being a lighter bird. Turks are out of their depth.

 

[Anants]

Avionics are home made ours aren't.
Same for most of the mounted weapons.

The LCH is indigenously designed with 45% made-in India components. What about TAI ATAK?

 

[Suryavanshi]

The LCH is indigenously designed with 45% made-in India components. What about TAI ATAK?

Same but even better probably.
Only the engine is bought from murica

 

[Anants]

Same but even better probably.
Only the engine is bought from murica

Is it presumption or based on some empirical evidence?

 

[shade2]

If you look at it closely.
Their heli is about as indigenous as ours.
Somewhat better since it has been exported.

We have to take the L since even our our Import force aren't buying into it.

There can't be no rebuttal to this.

Avionics are home made ours aren't.
Same for most of the mounted weapons.

LCH Prachand is a Made in India design and product for the specific requirements of high altitude deployments

Mehmet Cockroachoglu's ATAK meanwhile is a license-produced version of the A129 Mangusta, selected to replace the Bell Cobras they had, a basic ass light attack helicopter, perhaps the Mangusta won because the pasta-pizza vendors of it were ok with domestic screwdrivergiri by Mehmet's country.

This alone disproves AbOuT aS InDiGeNoUs aS OurS

The airframe is obviously made here, Engine is screwdrivered and i'm sure portions are manufactured here too.

Integration tests with various missiles are on going.

You yourself have mentioned (((Import))) Force so them not buying it is quite obvious

Spit out that blackpill, there are times to "take the L" do widhwa vilaap and all, this is not one of them

 

[Suryavanshi]

Is it presumption or based on some empirical evidence?

The salt against a counterpart of a Indian equipment is very reminiscent of a Paki forum.
No need for us to get our panties in a twist because we can't cope with our own circumstances.

T129 Atak - TUSAS

T129 Atak

web.archive.org

Turkey heli has been exported and that is a big achievement, everything else pales in comparison.

Let our own import force show interest in our system why no just acknowledged that there is something better out there?

 

[Ayan Barat]

The thing is not that how much indigenous content we both have or what system was copied to make that. The thing is that the curve Turkish defence industry follows is way way steeper than ours.

In 2009 the first ATAK flew with Italian assistance and by 2023 they'd moved on to ATAK 2. This goes same for multiple platforms.

But in our case some things just stop evolving or even if they do, the curve is so gradual that things start to become obsolete even before induction.

 

[srev2004]

umm you got it wrong. No one is against reservation for deserving ST and SC students, even genuine OBC students. Whats really disappoints someone - is somebody affluent grabbing seats of deserving one.
A poor woman children desperate to get school admission in a city where they moved to - but cant as system desnies them adhaar card. But some come for neighboring countries and get all done in jiffy and take leverage of all facilities.

See this is the problem. And there are always two sides to story. Not everyone from GC came from generational wealthy family - infact story is quite opposite. They were struggling before independence and are still struggling after Independence to make themselves. Whats needed is overhauling of reservation such that it reaches all tribal and sc's and lifts them out of poverty and explotation. And for that somebody whose multi generation has benefitted from reservation and made themselves good and independent should ideally give up reservation voluntary.

Stay on.. keep posting.. its always to good to hear various perspectives. I enjoy your Uttarakhand videos.

Reservation should be tied to income / wealth & assets and not tied to caste or lineage or race. I never understood why this wasn’t done in the first place.