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[spindrift]

I thought this was somebody messing with me and then the second half took my mind for a loop. Is this true? Or high level trolling lol

Very high level trolling ..

 

[Azaad]

Kindly delete #1 & this message in the thread. @Suryavanshi ; @haldilal ; @SKC

Frankly I fail to understand the reason the edit function isn't included for the title for usage by the thread creator & now it appears the delete function is missing in case of the first message of a thread.

 

[SKC]

Kindly delete #1 & this message in the thread. @Suryavanshi ; @haldilal ; @SKC

Frankly I fail to understand the reason the edit function isn't included for the title for usage by the thread creator & now it appears the delete function is missing in case of the first message of a thread.

Deletion of first post will lead to deletion of thread itself. Edited it to reflect your second post.

 

[Azaad]

Deletion of first post will lead to deletion of thread itself. Edited it to reflect your second post.

Then kindly delete all other messages here including this one & yours except #1. And there's a colon sign in the title before Discussions . Kindly delete that as well

 

[londonparistokyo]

Many years ago I happened to read an interview with a foreign developmental economist ( whose name I forget ) who'd visited India at the invite of Ms Aruna Roy - a ex civil servant & activist ( you ought to read up about her ).

Apparently while being driven from the airport to their destination the car stopped at a signal where a hideously deformed beggar approached the car to ask for alms. Ms Roy casually slid the windows of the car up looking in another direction & made small talk with the said economist.

This greatly disturbed the economist who later on the trip confronted Ms Roy about this . She explained that there's so much poverty in India that if you really were to pay cognisance to every such instance you'd lose your sanity.

I'd put down the reactions of Indians here or outside the virtual world you've listed in your post mostly to this phenomenon. It's a kind of cognitive dissonance.

Is there a problem with poverty squalor etc in India ? Yes of course there is. It's far worse than what you think of it for in your trip to India you've merely scratched the surface. Is it going to get better ? Yes & no .

As long as we keep adding to our population without commensurately addressing the politics & economics of it , there are sections which'd do better & many who'd simply slip thru the cracks like it is worldwide & like it was with that person begging at the signal in the beginning of this post .

And yet there are vast areas across sectors , where India has done far better than what we were at the time of our Independence. I don't think even the worst critic of India will be able to dispute this fact if he's being honest with himself .

You may probably compare India of today with the situation in your country where you were raised or now reside or the west in general but let me point out the problem with this approach. You're merely seeing the end result or the pinnacle of achievement on the back of some serious issues which took generations to only tackle not solve & which have gone through pretty much the same trials & tribulations we're now enduring with much the same conditions , possibly better in some aspects , when they embarked on this journey.

For perspective have a look at what New York or Paris or London was in throughout the 19th century especially the poverty & squalor prevalent there then . I've named them as these were and are some of the most prominent cities in the world . If you check the issues they've faced then , you may well wonder what the situation would've been in other less prominent cities in the same country leave aside the rural areas. You'd see eerie parallels with a Mumbai or Delhi now , what to speak of the rest of the country.

This then requires a multi pronged approach to tackle the problem at hand & time which'd see a few generations go by before we even begin to get a grip over the problem. This isn't going to happen in mine or your lifetime by any stretch of imagination. Unfortunately , that's the sad truth & the long & short of it.

Yes this is a fair point. But things I cannot wrap my head around are the filth. I get that India is as poor as England pre-colonizing India. England was also probably dirty then too. But India, really? We boast about Harappa having the oldest, best, and still functional plumbing but Indian men will take a piss in public at any chance they get?? People will happily throw their trash into the river (I saw this at both Yamunotri and Gangotri. Yamunotri was just... it was disgusting) and go about their day as if it's fine? How are you people okay with this?

Edit: I went to hotels in the Hinterlands and the sheets were literally black, clearly unwashed. People here told me I should have spent more money for nicer places if I wanted clean. Does this mean that the Indian mentality means only rich people deserve to have cleanliness? My mother taught me "Cleanliness is next to Godliness", and I'm confident, certain, that many of yours taught you the same thing. How? How!?!?

Edit 2: Basically I was really hoping for like one redeeming quality. The only excellent thing about India are the people are incredibly kind, very warm, and optimistic about the future. Honestly, Indian people are the best. But I'm just extremely disappointed at what I see to be the common Indian mentality. I tried to speak about my experience with my cousins (at their behest) and instead of trying to speak with me, they argued with me and told me that India isn't America. Yeah sure, but aren't people still people? Animals still animals? The environment all deserving of respect?

 

[Azaad]

Yes this is a fair point. But things I cannot wrap my head around are the filth. I get that India is as poor as England pre-colonizing India. England was also probably dirty then too. But India, really? We boast about Harappa having the oldest, best, and still functional plumbing but Indian men will take a piss in public at any chance they get?? People will happily throw their trash into the river (I saw this at both Yamunotri and Gangotri. Yamunotri was just... it was disgusting) and go about their day as if it's fine?

How are you people okay with this?

Nobody's ok with it . One hoped education levels improving would impact civic sense positively. Perhaps it has but isn't as impactful as it ought to be . This is once again a generational thing .

When the first second third fourth & hundredth priority of a bread winner is putting food on the table everything else takes a back seat.

Moreover maintaining sanitary civic spaces is the preserve of the local municipality which once again are not empowered enough , have low budgets & are dens of corruption.

Finally the clarion call for a clean city must come from the citizens of that place . It's when they think they've had enough things will change . For that critical mass ought to be generated . That once again is a function of time. However there's still good news in all this despair.

Indore, the cleanest city of India. Here's the success story

Indore bags the title of the cleanest city in the country. Additionally, the title has been given to the city for the sixth time in a row. Here is the success story described.

www.jagranjosh.com

There are plenty of cities with similar stories across India especially the south. So it's not all doom & gloom as you may think.

 

[Bleh]

C'mon Bruh, our credibility is already iffy; doing this would mean that we're officially declaring ourselves as nothing more than a bunch of online trolls.

So? we kinda are anyways we're taken seriously enough for "exparts" & "patrakars" to lurk here or DFB content being discussed elsewhere.

Might as well embrace the armchair general roles.