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Nutcracker said:
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Sensible people should stop using % of GDP figures , rather start using the term "percentage share of the Budget".
USA - 13.3%
India- 12.9%
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I'll update on China too
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And it turns out to be abnormally low -
7% only , but Chinese budget also include share of provinces. Cooking the books is everyday affair in that gHANdu land.
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Yes . India tax to GDP ratio is low.. compared to countries like US.. So, defense spending as function of budget is the right metric
 
MasterChief said:
Yes . India tax to GDP ratio is low.. compared to countries like US.. So, defense spending as function of budget is the right metric
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Okay, and what percentage of GDP is your total budget?

If A is x% of B, and B is y% of C , so how much percent is A of C?

f(AoC) (%) to be precise:ROFLMAO:
 
An allocation of ₹11,11,111 crore for capital expenditure, which is 3.4 percent of GDP, has been made this year.
pib.gov.in

Union Budget 2024-25: Advancing Economic Growth through Infrastructure Initiatives

The Union Minister of Finance and Corporate Affairs, Smt. Nirmala Sitharaman, presented the Union Bu
pib.gov.in
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Federal outlays in 2024 total $6.5 trillion, which amounts to 23.1 percent of GDP.
www.cbo.gov

The Budget and Economic Outlook: 2024 to 2034

Projections at a Glance The Federal Budget The deficit totals $1.6 trillion in fiscal year 2024, grows to $1.8 trillion in 2025, and then returns to $1.6 trillion by 2027. Thereafter, deficits steadily mount, reaching $2.6 trillion in 2034. Measured in relation to gross domestic product (GDP)...
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This for those comparing US budget and Indian budget. And following US model of defence spending.

One should not forget that US defence industry earns for US, your defence industry is only doing the expenditure with minimal income.

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once again the so called specialists in economy will be mum after few days Just like all the special forces professionals went silent in that thread after mocking when I made a point of detecting those p*gs through drones and NGV/IR.

reality is, Indian defence budget is very tucchaaa
 
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Mr.Evil said:
Did we?
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Ok so I did some research including Open source data and this what I got-
2019-163
2020-232
2021-193
2022-193
2023-87
2024-32
Total-900 terrorists killed
Number of security personnel KIA
2019-78
2020-56
2021-45
2022-30
2023-33
2024-13
Total-255
Conclusion-The statement is correct I can be wrong double check me if you can.
 
Mr.Evil said:
Ok so I did some research including Open source data and this what I got-
2019-163
2020-232
2021-193
2022-193
2023-87
2024-32
Total-900 terrorists killed
Number of security personnel KIA
2019-78
2020-56
2021-45
2022-30
2023-33
2024-13
Total-255
Conclusion-The statement is correct I can be wrong double check me if you can.
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Issue is , when officer dies they show every where and suddenly para sf moves. Past so many months soldiers were dying delhi mein baithe leadership ko kuch nahi hua because he was not commissioned or Group A. Their mentality is pissed.
 
Screambowl said:
Issue is , when officer dies they show every where and suddenly para sf moves. Past so many months soldiers were dying delhi mein baithe leadership ko kuch nahi hua because he was not commissioned or Group A. Their mentality is pissed.
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2024 has a very rough start if we don’t take measure to reduce the casualties it will hurt us as you can see how well we managed casualties in 2022-23 while constantly killing pigs I think the new tactics and better trained pigs are causing a lot more problems to us and it will take time for us to catch their loopholes.
 
Gandaberunda said:
That’s how it should be. No leader should be given more than 2 terms in office never mind how good the leader is. Modi 3.0 is the example
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Totally wrong....Putin is there for a long time, except for mishandling Ukraine war, his performance as far as protecting Russia's national interest goes is very good. Actually a good leader should be given a longer term, not artificially restrict him to terms like that 2 party dictatorship of the US
 
Mr.Evil said:
Ok so I did some research including Open source data and this what I got-
2019-163
2020-232
2021-193
2022-193
2023-87
2024-32
Total-900 terrorists killed
Number of security personnel KIA
2019-78
2020-56
2021-45
2022-30
2023-33
2024-13
Total-255
Conclusion-The statement is correct I can be wrong double check me if you can.
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CORRECTION
IMG_1242.webp
Source- war&gore telegram channel admin
 
Brood Father said:
China has made a big difference, Remove China from equation and we would have thrashed pakis at wish .
But we have dragon who is a superpower and now an active party to dispute and we don't have capability to handle it at least for a decade or two.

I think Policy is to wait and watch and ride out this storm until we have friendlier relation with chinkis ..
Things are bad and we have done some gravel miscalculation somewhere during these 10 years ..l
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pakistan is facing multiple front & instability internally. Unsettled Durand line with Afghanistan, TTP, Baloch freedom fighters, uneasy relationship with Iran. Did pak stopped provoking a country like India having GDP 10.55 times larger. Even without firing a bullet there is an option to make pak pay by withdrawing from Indus Valley treaty, but question is do we have political will
 
Nutcracker said:
Pardon the language but.Kuch bhi.. bakwas
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Tapas ko kyu dosh de rahe ho.
Army ne hi bola tha na ki humko sasta piston engine wala chahiye?? Deshi product pe kharch karne me inka baap mar jata hai kya.
Army Jurnails ne bola ki hum 10x price me, 100M$ me deshi drone lenge lekin turboprop wala heavy banake ke do.
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When did Army said they need sasta piston wala engine ? ADE had the freedom to strap anything including Shakti engines used in Dhruv to turn it into a powerful drone like MQ-9.

At least I am not aware of any such requirement from Army (you can correct me by giving source). Also, there are absolutely zero drones in the world who can sustain operation at 30k feet with a piston engine.

There is no hesitation in ordering deshi maal, infact Tapas is already planned to be inducted by Navy & AirForce.

My problem is ADE/HALs constant re-assurance and lobbying with MoD that they will be able to deliver Tapas with the above requirements knowing fully well it cannot compete with similar weight category drones like MQ-9 and Akinci. Even before trials it was pretty evident that under-powered engines will be a big problem in payload carrying capacity, and that it cannot carry anything useful apart from an EO payload.

Tapas is not a competitor to MQ-9, MQ-9 is a different beast. Its capabilites are more matching to TB2. People with low-literacy in defence matters (that includes MoD babus who approve such deals) think Armed forces is throwing a fit when they can buy Tapas. Reason the deal for MQ-9 is not yet signed (and god knows when it will be delivered).
 
Nutcracker said:
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Sensible people should stop using % of GDP figures , rather start using the term "percentage share of the Budget".
USA - 13.3%
India- 12.9%
.
I'll update on China too
.
And it turns out to be abnormally low -
7% only , but Chinese budget also include share of provinces. Cooking the books is everyday affair in that gHANdu land.
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Chinese GDP vs. Defence budget is not a real reflection of ground reality. There were reports from CIA that actual Chinese defence budget is actually closer to 1.5x times their declared bugdet. And it makes sense, the pace that they are doing R&D and inducting new equipments, is only possible if they had a defence budget matching that of USA.
 
mist_consecutive said:
When did Army said they need sasta piston wala engine ? ADE had the freedom to strap anything including Shakti engines used in Dhruv to turn it into a powerful drone like MQ-9.

At least I am not aware of any such requirement from Army (you can correct me by giving source). Also, there are absolutely zero drones in the world who can sustain operation at 30k feet with a piston engine.

There is no hesitation in ordering deshi maal, infact Tapas is already planned to be inducted by Navy & AirForce.

My problem is ADE/HALs constant re-assurance and lobbying with MoD that they will be able to deliver Tapas with the above requirements knowing fully well it cannot compete with similar weight category drones like MQ-9 and Akinci. Even before trials it was pretty evident that under-powered engines will be a big problem in payload carrying capacity, and that it cannot carry anything useful apart from an EO payload.

Tapas is not a competitor to MQ-9, MQ-9 is a different beast. Its capabilites are more matching to TB2. People with low-literacy in defence matters (that includes MoD babus who approve such deals) think Armed forces is throwing a fit when they can buy Tapas. Reason the deal for MQ-9 is not yet signed (and god knows when it will be delivered).
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The reason is election in US
 
mist_consecutive said:
Attacking a failed state with no real military and with holy blessing of Uncle Sam

vs.

Attacking a failed state with Nuclear weapon and proper military and being protected by 2 Superpowers.
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Though pak in its current economic status punching more than its weight
 
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