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The reason is election in US

US deep state & Pentagon remains same no matter what govt. changes. I don't think this is a valid reason. Real reason is GoI counter-arm twisting US for Pannun case as well as slow fcuks in MoD not moving files.

Though pak in its current economic status punching more than its weight

A military country (most of the funds are used for Armed Forces) vs. a socialist country (most of the funds are used for freebies).
 
US deep state & Pentagon remains same no matter what govt. changes. I don't think this is a valid reason. Real reason is GoI counter-arm twisting US for Pannun case as well as slow fcuks in MoD not moving files.



A military country (most of the funds are used for Armed Forces) vs. a socialist country (most of the funds are used for freebies).
'Deep state' doesn't carry much weight in our decision making
Even the GE-414 deal hasn't been signed yet
Many things are pending as both sides mutually waiting for elections to end to avoid fiasco
 

Second tweet ka to ek hi matlab hota hai... Kabaddi... aur kuch nahi... but I doubt whether we have the capability.

But only one time of the year is suitable to implement "Kabaddi" concept... that is... late Sept to mid-nov... bcoz incoming winter allows breathing space & consolidating gains.
 
When did Army said they need sasta piston wala engine ? ADE had the freedom to strap anything including Shakti engines used in Dhruv to turn it into a powerful drone like MQ-9.

At least I am not aware of any such requirement from Army (you can correct me by giving source). Also, there are absolutely zero drones in the world who can sustain operation at 30k feet with a piston engine.

There is no hesitation in ordering deshi maal, infact Tapas is already planned to be inducted by Navy & AirForce.

My problem is ADE/HALs constant re-assurance and lobbying with MoD that they will be able to deliver Tapas with the above requirements knowing fully well it cannot compete with similar weight category drones like MQ-9 and Akinci. Even before trials it was pretty evident that under-powered engines will be a big problem in payload carrying capacity, and that it cannot carry anything useful apart from an EO payload.

Tapas is not a competitor to MQ-9, MQ-9 is a different beast. Its capabilites are more matching to TB2. People with low-literacy in defence matters (that includes MoD babus who approve such deals) think Armed forces is throwing a fit when they can buy Tapas. Reason the deal for MQ-9 is not yet signed (and god knows when it will be delivered).

Armed forces had shown the need of drone in that category. Thats how these foreign maal pasand jurnails convinced MOD to buy 50 heron mk1 and 100 searcher Mk2. Now Hermes 900 is being ordered through Adani's screwdrivergiri.
These jurnails build GSQR/PSQR around the specs of foreign made piston drones, but not for Tapas.

Khair.. our debate is based on hypothesis that only MQ9 has the sufficient payload and power to operate a SAR which can see through forest, fog and find underground tunnels on border.
 
Second tweet ka to ek hi matlab hota hai... Kabaddi... aur kuch nahi... but I doubt whether we have the capability.

But only one time of the year is suitable to implement "Kabaddi" concept... that is... late Sept to mid-nov... bcoz incoming winter allows breathing space & consolidating gains.
This holding ground - it can mean within own territory also , no ? Or does he mean across LoC ?
 
Can anyone tell... hellfire_81👆 ka prediction record kaisa hai?
60-70% usually , his points are valid mostly if one gives up emotional thinking and uses cold logic. However he always blames the govt for IAs failure to induct domestic equipment. There he is atleast partly wrong
 
Okay, and what percentage of GDP is your total budget?

If A is x% of B, and B is y% of C , so how much percent is A of C?

f(AoC) (%) to be precise:ROFLMAO:
Central Budget expenditure at 48 lakh crore is around 16 percent of GDP at current prices of around 294 lakh crore..
 
Why are we so against Congress . Congress BJP Left do not matter ..What matters is street power. If Hindus have street power and do protest whenever there is anything against Hindus interest it won't matter who is at helm.
For eg Left in Pakistan is as religious as any other party ..
Fully agree but reality in street is 180 against and That’s was the point “Hindus” don’t care about Hindus issue .biggest example in recent times see Ayodhya also neither do any street power.
 
Can we get a non-discussion thread with proper data of J&K CI-CT that this discussion can refer to ? My past experiences say - sometimes organizing information is the key to a seemingly hard situation
Iam down who will make it tho?
 
a socialist country (most of the funds are used for freebies).
Patently untrue. Subsidies as a % of GDP is on a secular decline - such a weird claim to make with a fiscally hyperconservative BJP govt at the helm. This govt shied away from spending amid a freaking pandemic and in an election year! Suffered at an election and yet, refuses to loosen up the parse strings. Possibly the most fiscally conservative govt in the history of India.

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On this note, some follow up questions for the members who want the GoI to spend 3% (or more) of the GDP on defense;

1. How many dumbocracies spend ~3% (or more) of their GDP on defense? I am aware of the US and Israel. Anyone else? (Military states/ dictatorships do not count.)

2. How exactly do you plan to allocate ~3% of the GDP on defense? Which sectors are you proposing to cut down on to fund it? Will you borrow or raise taxes? Be as specific as you posiibly can and please, do not make generic boilerplate responses (ie, ending 'freebies', cutting down on wasteful expenditures etc).

I remember making a similar post back on economy thread of the old DFI in response to a member who was making posts after posts urging the govt to spend 2% of the GDP on R&D. The aforementioned boilerplate statements were all I received in response back then.

Let us see how many are willing to walk the talk.

Thanks.
 
Armed forces had shown the need of drone in that category. Thats how these foreign maal pasand jurnails convinced MOD to buy 50 heron mk1 and 100 searcher Mk2. Now Hermes 900 is being ordered through Adani's screwdrivergiri.
These jurnails build GSQR/PSQR around the specs of foreign made piston drones, but not for Tapas.

Khair.. our debate is based on hypothesis that only MQ9 has the sufficient payload and power to operate a SAR which can see through forest, fog and find underground tunnels on border.

Heron Mk1 & Searcher Mk2 are old. They were acquired in 2000-2010 time. Rustom-I and Rustom-2 (now Tapas) was still in development during that time.

Requirement for higher payload & higher endurance drone (hence the criteria of 30k feet and 24 hrs endurance) was floated out in 2010-2020 era. Rustom-2 which is now Tapas was then pitched by ADE as capable of such feats (which was clearly false).

Hermes 900 is a meaningless purchase, apparently for benchmarking they, hence small number. Still, useless and possibly corruption.

Not only MQ9, but Akinci and Chinese drones can as carry SAR radar + EO Payload + Weapons as well.
 

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