CI/CT Operations

Mr.Evil said:
Ok so I did some research including Open source data and this what I got-
2019-163
2020-232
2021-193
2022-193
2023-87
2024-32
Total-900 terrorists killed
Number of security personnel KIA
2019-78
2020-56
2021-45
2022-30
2023-33
2024-13
Total-255
Conclusion-The statement is correct I can be wrong double check me if you can.
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CORRECTION
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Source- war&gore telegram channel admin
 
Brood Father said:
China has made a big difference, Remove China from equation and we would have thrashed pakis at wish .
But we have dragon who is a superpower and now an active party to dispute and we don't have capability to handle it at least for a decade or two.

I think Policy is to wait and watch and ride out this storm until we have friendlier relation with chinkis ..
Things are bad and we have done some gravel miscalculation somewhere during these 10 years ..l
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pakistan is facing multiple front & instability internally. Unsettled Durand line with Afghanistan, TTP, Baloch freedom fighters, uneasy relationship with Iran. Did pak stopped provoking a country like India having GDP 10.55 times larger. Even without firing a bullet there is an option to make pak pay by withdrawing from Indus Valley treaty, but question is do we have political will
 
Nutcracker said:
Pardon the language but.Kuch bhi.. bakwas
.
Tapas ko kyu dosh de rahe ho.
Army ne hi bola tha na ki humko sasta piston engine wala chahiye?? Deshi product pe kharch karne me inka baap mar jata hai kya.
Army Jurnails ne bola ki hum 10x price me, 100M$ me deshi drone lenge lekin turboprop wala heavy banake ke do.
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When did Army said they need sasta piston wala engine ? ADE had the freedom to strap anything including Shakti engines used in Dhruv to turn it into a powerful drone like MQ-9.

At least I am not aware of any such requirement from Army (you can correct me by giving source). Also, there are absolutely zero drones in the world who can sustain operation at 30k feet with a piston engine.

There is no hesitation in ordering deshi maal, infact Tapas is already planned to be inducted by Navy & AirForce.

My problem is ADE/HALs constant re-assurance and lobbying with MoD that they will be able to deliver Tapas with the above requirements knowing fully well it cannot compete with similar weight category drones like MQ-9 and Akinci. Even before trials it was pretty evident that under-powered engines will be a big problem in payload carrying capacity, and that it cannot carry anything useful apart from an EO payload.

Tapas is not a competitor to MQ-9, MQ-9 is a different beast. Its capabilites are more matching to TB2. People with low-literacy in defence matters (that includes MoD babus who approve such deals) think Armed forces is throwing a fit when they can buy Tapas. Reason the deal for MQ-9 is not yet signed (and god knows when it will be delivered).
 
Nutcracker said:
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Sensible people should stop using % of GDP figures , rather start using the term "percentage share of the Budget".
USA - 13.3%
India- 12.9%
.
I'll update on China too
.
And it turns out to be abnormally low -
7% only , but Chinese budget also include share of provinces. Cooking the books is everyday affair in that gHANdu land.
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Chinese GDP vs. Defence budget is not a real reflection of ground reality. There were reports from CIA that actual Chinese defence budget is actually closer to 1.5x times their declared bugdet. And it makes sense, the pace that they are doing R&D and inducting new equipments, is only possible if they had a defence budget matching that of USA.
 
mist_consecutive said:
When did Army said they need sasta piston wala engine ? ADE had the freedom to strap anything including Shakti engines used in Dhruv to turn it into a powerful drone like MQ-9.

At least I am not aware of any such requirement from Army (you can correct me by giving source). Also, there are absolutely zero drones in the world who can sustain operation at 30k feet with a piston engine.

There is no hesitation in ordering deshi maal, infact Tapas is already planned to be inducted by Navy & AirForce.

My problem is ADE/HALs constant re-assurance and lobbying with MoD that they will be able to deliver Tapas with the above requirements knowing fully well it cannot compete with similar weight category drones like MQ-9 and Akinci. Even before trials it was pretty evident that under-powered engines will be a big problem in payload carrying capacity, and that it cannot carry anything useful apart from an EO payload.

Tapas is not a competitor to MQ-9, MQ-9 is a different beast. Its capabilites are more matching to TB2. People with low-literacy in defence matters (that includes MoD babus who approve such deals) think Armed forces is throwing a fit when they can buy Tapas. Reason the deal for MQ-9 is not yet signed (and god knows when it will be delivered).
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The reason is election in US
 
mist_consecutive said:
Attacking a failed state with no real military and with holy blessing of Uncle Sam

vs.

Attacking a failed state with Nuclear weapon and proper military and being protected by 2 Superpowers.
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Though pak in its current economic status punching more than its weight
 
jaijaganath said:
The reason is election in US
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US deep state & Pentagon remains same no matter what govt. changes. I don't think this is a valid reason. Real reason is GoI counter-arm twisting US for Pannun case as well as slow fcuks in MoD not moving files.

Viper316 said:
Though pak in its current economic status punching more than its weight
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A military country (most of the funds are used for Armed Forces) vs. a socialist country (most of the funds are used for freebies).
 
mist_consecutive said:
US deep state & Pentagon remains same no matter what govt. changes. I don't think this is a valid reason. Real reason is GoI counter-arm twisting US for Pannun case as well as slow fcuks in MoD not moving files.



A military country (most of the funds are used for Armed Forces) vs. a socialist country (most of the funds are used for freebies).
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'Deep state' doesn't carry much weight in our decision making
Even the GE-414 deal hasn't been signed yet
Many things are pending as both sides mutually waiting for elections to end to avoid fiasco
 
samsaptaka said:

View: https://twitter.com/hellfire_81/status/1815702758408015921?t=U_ll23Twx6kUxxFNhm8-Ow&s=19


View: https://twitter.com/hellfire_81/status/1815709164389208500?t=p7TwGfBuOFR_R6B-ivbg9Q&s=19

Make of it what you want.
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Second tweet ka to ek hi matlab hota hai... Kabaddi... aur kuch nahi... but I doubt whether we have the capability.

But only one time of the year is suitable to implement "Kabaddi" concept... that is... late Sept to mid-nov... bcoz incoming winter allows breathing space & consolidating gains.
 
mist_consecutive said:
When did Army said they need sasta piston wala engine ? ADE had the freedom to strap anything including Shakti engines used in Dhruv to turn it into a powerful drone like MQ-9.

At least I am not aware of any such requirement from Army (you can correct me by giving source). Also, there are absolutely zero drones in the world who can sustain operation at 30k feet with a piston engine.

There is no hesitation in ordering deshi maal, infact Tapas is already planned to be inducted by Navy & AirForce.

My problem is ADE/HALs constant re-assurance and lobbying with MoD that they will be able to deliver Tapas with the above requirements knowing fully well it cannot compete with similar weight category drones like MQ-9 and Akinci. Even before trials it was pretty evident that under-powered engines will be a big problem in payload carrying capacity, and that it cannot carry anything useful apart from an EO payload.

Tapas is not a competitor to MQ-9, MQ-9 is a different beast. Its capabilites are more matching to TB2. People with low-literacy in defence matters (that includes MoD babus who approve such deals) think Armed forces is throwing a fit when they can buy Tapas. Reason the deal for MQ-9 is not yet signed (and god knows when it will be delivered).
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Armed forces had shown the need of drone in that category. Thats how these foreign maal pasand jurnails convinced MOD to buy 50 heron mk1 and 100 searcher Mk2. Now Hermes 900 is being ordered through Adani's screwdrivergiri.
These jurnails build GSQR/PSQR around the specs of foreign made piston drones, but not for Tapas.

Khair.. our debate is based on hypothesis that only MQ9 has the sufficient payload and power to operate a SAR which can see through forest, fog and find underground tunnels on border.
 
iNorthernerOn9 said:
Second tweet ka to ek hi matlab hota hai... Kabaddi... aur kuch nahi... but I doubt whether we have the capability.

But only one time of the year is suitable to implement "Kabaddi" concept... that is... late Sept to mid-nov... bcoz incoming winter allows breathing space & consolidating gains.
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This holding ground - it can mean within own territory also , no ? Or does he mean across LoC ?
 
iNorthernerOn9 said:
Can anyone tell... hellfire_81👆 ka prediction record kaisa hai?
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60-70% usually , his points are valid mostly if one gives up emotional thinking and uses cold logic. However he always blames the govt for IAs failure to induct domestic equipment. There he is atleast partly wrong
 
Screambowl said:
Okay, and what percentage of GDP is your total budget?

If A is x% of B, and B is y% of C , so how much percent is A of C?

f(AoC) (%) to be precise:ROFLMAO:
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Central Budget expenditure at 48 lakh crore is around 16 percent of GDP at current prices of around 294 lakh crore..
 
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