CI/CT Operations

[MasterChief]

View: https://youtu.be/qZhY6FoayuY?si=XZa_qw8RQNw7migy

That pic can be anyone.. Looks more like Jesus

 

[Suga]

Why are we so against Congress . Congress BJP Left do not matter ..What matters is street power. If Hindus have street power and do protest whenever there is anything against Hindus interest it won't matter who is at helm.
For eg Left in Pakistan is as religious as any other party ..

Fully agree but reality in street is 180 against and That’s was the point “Hindus” don’t care about Hindus issue .biggest example in recent times see Ayodhya also neither do any street power.

 

[Mr.Evil]

Can we get a non-discussion thread with proper data of J&K CI-CT that this discussion can refer to ? My past experiences say - sometimes organizing information is the key to a seemingly hard situation

Iam down who will make it tho?

 

[crazywithmath]

a socialist country (most of the funds are used for freebies).

Patently untrue. Subsidies as a % of GDP is on a secular decline - such a weird claim to make with a fiscally hyperconservative BJP govt at the helm. This govt shied away from spending amid a freaking pandemic and in an election year! Suffered at an election and yet, refuses to loosen up the parse strings. Possibly the most fiscally conservative govt in the history of India.

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On this note, some follow up questions for the members who want the GoI to spend 3% (or more) of the GDP on defense;

1. How many dumbocracies spend ~3% (or more) of their GDP on defense? I am aware of the US and Israel. Anyone else? (Military states/ dictatorships do not count.)

2. How exactly do you plan to allocate ~3% of the GDP on defense? Which sectors are you proposing to cut down on to fund it? Will you borrow or raise taxes? Be as specific as you posiibly can and please, do not make generic boilerplate responses (ie, ending 'freebies', cutting down on wasteful expenditures etc).

I remember making a similar post back on economy thread of the old DFI in response to a member who was making posts after posts urging the govt to spend 2% of the GDP on R&D. The aforementioned boilerplate statements were all I received in response back then.

Let us see how many are willing to walk the talk.

Thanks.

 

[Viper316]

Firing started again between pakistani terrorists and security forces in Kupwara

 

[Screambowl]

Which sectors are you proposing to cut down on to fund it?

PMGKAY: Amongst World’s largest Food Security Schemes for 81.35 crore persons at an approx. cost of Rs. 11.80 lakh crore​

Free Foodgrains for 81.35 crore beneficiaries for five years: Cabinet Decision

The Cabinet led by Prime Minister has decided that the Central government will provide free food gra

pib.gov.in

give where it is necessary otherwise this is just hilarious.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Armed forces had shown the need of drone in that category. Thats how these foreign maal pasand jurnails convinced MOD to buy 50 heron mk1 and 100 searcher Mk2. Now Hermes 900 is being ordered through Adani's screwdrivergiri.
These jurnails build GSQR/PSQR around the specs of foreign made piston drones, but not for Tapas.

Khair.. our debate is based on hypothesis that only MQ9 has the sufficient payload and power to operate a SAR which can see through forest, fog and find underground tunnels on border.

Heron Mk1 & Searcher Mk2 are old. They were acquired in 2000-2010 time. Rustom-I and Rustom-2 (now Tapas) was still in development during that time.

Requirement for higher payload & higher endurance drone (hence the criteria of 30k feet and 24 hrs endurance) was floated out in 2010-2020 era. Rustom-2 which is now Tapas was then pitched by ADE as capable of such feats (which was clearly false).

Hermes 900 is a meaningless purchase, apparently for benchmarking they, hence small number. Still, useless and possibly corruption.

Not only MQ9, but Akinci and Chinese drones can as carry SAR radar + EO Payload + Weapons as well.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

https://www.deccanherald.com/busine...gged-at-rs-621-lakh-crore-for-2024-25-3117812

With pension the total interim budget is lower than 2% of the GDP.

It's around 12% of govt spending, which is quite high... Spending more here might have adverse economic effects down the line.

 

[Nutcracker]

Free Foodgrains for 81.35 crore beneficiaries for five years: Cabinet Decision

The Cabinet led by Prime Minister has decided that the Central government will provide free food gra

pib.gov.in

give where it is necessary otherwise this is just hilarious.

PMGKAY: Amongst World’s largest Food Security Schemes for 81.35 crore persons at an approx. cost of Rs. 11.80 lakh crore​

Bhai poora quote karo..

Centre to spend approx. Rs. 11.80 lakh crore... in next 5 years ​

This year allocation was 2L crore,

 

[jaijaganath]

There no point to discuss budget and it's allocation as we are going to to perform any action against Pakistan now
We have 40-50 terrorists in our own land and we are facing huge trouble to eliminate those
That is our first target
To be clear I am not specifically intending to someone

 

[Screambowl]

Bhai poora quote karo..

Centre to spend approx. Rs. 11.80 lakh crore... in next 5 years ​

This year allocation was 2L crore

So more than 50% of India's population is landless and doesn't have job stability hence they are being given free ration.

bohot burey haal hai

Under the scheme, 5 kg of free foodgrains was provided to every person on top of the NFSA entitlement at subsidised rates

 

[Vishnugupt]

drone dopped munitions got them ??

No, Never... Because that will be a wise decision to make which UN Generals hate to do.

Another Issue is Sharia Kota which will immediately stop such advantage over 0.5 front.

We are suffering daily causality just because UN Generals want to Import Fancy toys instead of buying TAPAS in large numbers.

UN Generals brought useless highly overpriced Warmate UAV drone. Which is so costly that foot soldiers are cheap disposable than import UAV.

We should fire all Generals above the Major rank. Their only job is to go Sena Bhavan every week to appease Bada sahab.

 

[Vishnugupt]

Somehow the dense forest,heavy fog ,zero visibility is just for us and not for the pigs they can see clearly and are giving us casualties in every single op.

View: https://x.com/TheYouthPlus/status/1815561211586457654

People who believe our beloved Generals are fully prepared for next war, are world biggest fools.

Our beloved Generals can't deal effectively with such sody daily infiltration being performed by third grade militia.

Our Generals dragging us back to stone age. Rajnath Singh is ©hut!@ defence minister.

 

[Vishnugupt]

View: https://youtu.be/Db5z1baZUys?si=M8rkCwbiV_nGU-TU

After kadi ninda comes kadi action

Nobody talking how these 50 te₹or!st entered inside India?? 1-2 person is okay but 50 came inside and nobody have any idea??

This is the exact issue, A country where PM can't fire a constable where security will always remain fucked.

What the fuck those highly sophisticated, aliens level Israeli UAVs are doing?? Do UN Generals use them to shoot TikTok reels??

 

[Screambowl]

People who believe our beloved Generals are fully prepared for next war, are world biggest fools.

Our beloved Generals can't deal effectively with such sody daily infiltration being performed by third grade militia.

Our Generals dragging us back to stone age. Rajnath Singh is ©hut!@ defence minister.

The inputs didn't come from local level. After A370 abrogation the regime got lenient, more over all the resources shifted towards LAC. Tough job for the armed forces with whatever resources they have.

 

[Vishnugupt]

The inputs didn't come from local level. After A370 abrogation the regime got lenient, more over all the resources shifted towards LAC. Tough job for the armed forces with whatever resources they have.

Hahahaha.
What resources UN Generals need now to deal with third grade thugs???

The sense of responsibility and duties has totally extinct in India. Only excuse and victimhood.

 

[crazywithmath]

So more than 50% of India's population is landless and doesn't have job stability hence they are being given free ration.

bohot burey haal hai

See this is the standard boilerplate rr template I was talking about.

No, Indians largely are NOT finding it difficult to procure food (refer to the most recent household consumption expenditure survey factsheet attached to this post). It is an additional safety net to accelerate consumption among the bottom 50%.

Think about it, by providing free food grains to the economically weaker households the GoI immediately frees up their resources - they can afford to spend on stuffs other than foodgrains. Given the stagnation in rural consumption, the govt should have added additional stimuli to their free food grains programme; would have made political and economical sense in an election year.

Either way, the GoI can afford to hand out free food grains because there is a demand-supply mismatch in their crop procurement system. Every year Thousands of tonnes of food grains rot in FCI godowns. Sometimes, they sell those grains for dirt cheap to local distilleries to free up their godowns. They are doing a course correction in their crop procurement practices (directly facilitated and incentivized by the MSPs handed out to the Punjabi middlemen and large land owners since the green revolution ers) but it is a continuous process and will take time to bear fruit.

Look how obsessed the incumbent govt is with their fiscal health;

https://indianexpress.com/article/business/budget/budget-2024-centres-subsidy-bill-to-fall-to-five-year-low-in-2024-25-9471886/

 

[Screambowl]

Think about it, by providing free food grains to the economically weaker households the GoI immediately frees up their resources - they can afford to spend on stuffs other than foodgrains.

Over 50% of Indian population is finding tough to accumulate resources means, lack of opportunity.


There is no problem in providing free food grains to the needy, the issue is the numbers have not come down from 81 crore.

in 2013 also it was 80 crore.

https://nfsa.gov.in/portal/nfsa-act

The Act is being implemented in all the States/UTs, and on an all India basis, out of maximum coverage of 81.34 crore persons, around 80 crore persons

Gov of India needs to find out ways to generate resources to tackle both China and Pakistan.

 

[Zoid Raptor]

The inputs didn't come from local level. After A370 abrogation the regime got lenient, more over all the resources shifted towards LAC. Tough job for the armed forces with whatever resources they have.

That's a hilarious analogy. What resources do you exactly to eliminate <100 terrorists in your own land where you're free to use any armed or intel unit or weapons platform to eliminate them. There are already lakhs of soldiers deployed by IA alone in addition to paramilitary forces and JKP. What they really need now is night fighting capabilities from NVGs to thermal sights. If this were to happen in the west, a few SWAT units from local police will be enough to effectively take them down

Let me give you an example in our very own country. My fam comes from a region not too far away from naxal infested lands and have many friends who are actually from areas which are considered as naxal strongholds. Central Govt deployed CRPF since decades along with state police which wasn't really effective since they relied on intel from locals and the police stationed in there who were all naxal sympathizers.

After a few attacks on politicians and top-brass bureaucrats, CRPF was replaced with BSF who formulated their own strategy, established new intel channels independent of locals and formed specialized teams along with COBRA commandos to go on the offensive...few years later and boom there are hardly any naxals left and the few who survived were pushed out to Chhattisgarh. Mind you, while COBRAS are hardened and well acquainted to the terrain, BSF were relatively knew back then and we all are well aware of their reputation from a training and effectiveness perspective but they got the job done

It's about the will and deploying the right strategy more than resources. This will change if a few attacks on top brass happen which the terrorists are well aware of and ensure they don't go that route

 

[Screambowl]

Central Govt deployed CRPF since decades along with state police which wasn't really effective since they relied on intel from locals and the police stationed in there who were all naxal sympathizers

Naxal commanders are reachable, you can talk to them on table and negotiate. With Pakistan you don't have to negotiate.

After a few attacks on politicians and top-brass bureaucrats, CRPF was replaced with BSF who formulated their own strategy, established new intel channels independent of locals and formed specialized teams along with COBRA commandos to go on the offensive...few years later and boom

Locals used to give actionable input in Kashmir, now it has reduced or just spot intelligence.

You can deploy COBRAS and even SFF but then what? After 5 years Pakistan will revive it again. The solution can't be tactical any more, it has to be strategic.