CI/CT Operations

[Zoid Raptor]

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How do we know they're SSG! Are we trying to hide our incompetency by mentioning "SSG" for the feel good factor that we lost our men to paki elite SOF and not to some rag-tag militia

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

This political assholery is beyond my understanding

Aaj GDP nahi hai... so we are scared to go to war as it will harm our prospects

Kal GDP hogi... then we will scared of losing all the physical assets we had created in a war... still we won't fight

Ye saale GDP GDP karte reh jaayenge... gaand mara jaani hai in later part of this decade

We will bleed tears of blood from our knees.

युद्ध नहीं जिनके जीवन में
वे भी बहुत अभागे होंगे
या तो प्रण को तोड़ा होगा
या फिर रण से भागे होंगे।

 

[Brood Father]

A naive opinion but I think slowly India is focusing more in IOR than mountains.

So we may see casualties piling up until boiling point is reached which will prompt GOI to respond and things will go quiet for sometime before this cycle starts again ..

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

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Why dont we drone bomb their posts on Loc?

 

[mcpo117]

Why dont we drone bomb their posts on Loc?

Seriously? We effectively shoot down or neutralize their drones coming across the border. If we try the same we'll also fail. Bombs won't make it to the target.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Seriously? We effectively shoot down or neutralize their drones coming across the border. If we try the same we'll also fail. Bombs won't make it to the target.

Why not posts are just infront of each other…even terrorist camps can be taken down

 

[ArjunMK1A]

A naive opinion but I think slowly India is focusing more in IOR than mountains.

So we may see casualties piling up until boiling point is reached which will prompt GOI to respond and things will go quiet for sometime before this cycle starts again ..

IOR comes under Navy. It does not make sense why we are getting ratioed in Jungles of J&K.

The real reason outdated tactics meet the new threat we are getting shafted. Unless we changed our approach this will be the scenario in J&K.

 

[shade2]

IOR comes under Navy. It does not make sense why we are getting ratioed in Jungles of J&K.

The real reason outdated tactics meet the new threat we are getting shafted. Unless we changed our approach this will be the scenario in J&K.

"new" threat is from the past year plus some months
On old forum and new suggestions have been made on tactics improvement by BLoOdY CiViLiAnS but what should we do if UN Genrols feel nothing about their men dying needlessly?

 

[ArjunMK1A]

"new" threat is from the past year plus some months
On old forum and new suggestions have been made on tactics improvement by BLoOdY CiViLiAnS but what should we do if UN Genrols feel nothing about their men dying needlessly?

Well we need the following and I am dumping an photo tour. Photos are representative.



That pointy stuff at the top of vehicle is needed.

We need our Jawan like this.


Not you Dubai realtor.



Like this.


We need freedom, democracy from air.




We need Big Boss in the air moving from Jammu Airport to Srinagar airport.



Not you Israeli masquerading like Indian.

This pure blooded Kannada speaking anti Hindi guy.




Carrying an Gujarati made sweet at his hands.




We need soldiers who fight at night effortlessly.



Not you Salmon BHOII.



Like this NVG wearing guy above.


Our troops should do recce in this forest area to find possible hideouts. This is the time consuming but the output map we are getting will be goldmine, where we can grid lock them and try to take them out easily.



To be continued.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

Contd.

We need to strike terror launchpads like below.



With this accidental launch.




To achieve this we need the Priest King.

Not this "This is not era of war Babaji"

Hey you..,,,,,,,,,,
Wake up from the dream. See the Indian Armed forces.



Depression continues...................................

 

[Suryavanshi]

"new" threat is from the past year plus some months
On old forum and new suggestions have been made on tactics improvement by BLoOdY CiViLiAnS but what should we do if UN Genrols feel nothing about their men dying needlessly?

Be a devil advocate for once and try to think it through.
Perhaps we have reached a limit for CI CT ops in Deep mountain Jungles.

Tangos are eliminated quickly once they enter urban, semi urban or even rural areas.
drones and corodne do the trick.

What about the forest which is their ultimate shield?

Is there any other country that carry put Ops against terrorists in such terrain? Murican mostly fought in open lands of Afghanistan and Cave mountain system. They would use air force and bomb targets in plain areas once they had determined the approximately perimeter of terrorist activity. Same in mountains and even they struggled there. war was all about finding out the position of enemy through gun fights and bombing them from air.

Say can you do the same here?
Drones are useless since they can't help but do basic scouting of the area.
Cordones are useless since jungle obstructs visibility thus giving terrorist chance to escape without getting caught visually.
No Armour can be brought to Forests.

Manually searching is the only way hence no advantage to our side beside headcount and tactical advantage.

There is nothing armchair civilians can come up with to solve the issue.

There is a argument that our security forces do not use nvg at night, but is there a confirmation? Maybe they use it and still cannot spot and engage terrorists.

No amount of Gucci gear will help in jungle.

One solution is to just shave of the jungle and establish a 100 m clear perimeter on LoC that way terrorist can be intercepted with visual conformation.

 

[Anants]

Look guys one thing I think is - its the impatient to get results and constant media and SJW glare tying up their hands is one of the more bigger reasons other than equipment. I am quite perplexed to see drone videos of Tangos yet no one use small Kamikaze drone to eliminate tangos then and there? Are Kamikazi drones more expensive than Carl Gustav round + multiple AK bullets pumped into nothing + possible cost of loosing precious Jawan?

 

[Suryavanshi]

Look guys one thing I think is - its the impatient to get results and constant media and SJW glare tying up their hands is one of the more bigger reasons other than equipment. I am quite perplexed to see drone videos of Tangos yet no one use small Kamikaze drone to eliminate tangos then and there? Are Kamikazi drones more expensive than Carl Gustav round + multiple AK bullets pumped into nothing + possible cost of loosing precious Jawan?

See this is where the PUBG expert accusation comes in, perhaps there are circumstances which prevent this. No afsar ever answered our questions so there is no clarity, perhaps there is a reason that if we knew we wouldn't bring this up.


We never really got any report on how the terrorist are eliminated as secondary sources we just have books that are vague about the details of operation.

This is all we know.

>Operation X begins, X amount of tangos are holed up in X location.
>Area is cordoned of.
>X para SF enters the perimeter.
>X terrorist killed.

Other than that we know nothing.

We get one or two videos where Jawans are Doing suppression fire on buildings that's all.

With the scarcity of information why are we so quick to make assumption?

 

[Anants]

See this is where the PUBG expert accusation comes in, perhaps there are circumstances which prevent this. No afsar ever answered our questions so there is no clarity, perhaps there is a reason that if we knew we wouldn't bring this up.


We never really got any report on how the terrorist are eliminated as secondary sources we just have books that are vague about the details of operation.

This is all we know.

>Operation X begins, X amount of tangos are holed up in X location.
>Area is cordoned of.
>X para SF enters the perimeter.
>X terrorist killed.

Other than that we know nothing.

We get one or two videos where Jawans are Doing suppression fire on buildings that's all.

With the scarcity of information why are we so quick to make assumption?

My post is specifically of videos and screengrabs of DJi drones which show terrorist in prone positions and otherwise in encounter. You may have more idea about PubG. Yeah conceded - we dont know why Army did not go for Kamikaze method - but I am saying right now - IIRC only grenade throwing drones were seen in some ops once or twice but not Kamikaze drones. We are primarily using drones DJI or Netra for recce but would not a Kamikazi drone be more effective? Given what looks like Blast radius is usually equal to more or less grenade (as seen in videos or RUsso-Ukro war)?

I am in no way implying drone is a one solution that fits all situation. No. Drones are useless in Dense Jungle warfare unless mechanical dogs (like the one @Ayan Barat posted) or newspace indoor/ jungle scanning drones can be employed after more hit and trial.

 

[Ayan Barat]

(like the one @Ayan Barat posted)

My Robotic Kukur mentioned!!!

By the way, your idea of using kamikaze drones is absolutely legit and can be very easily used. A medium sized FPV drone with a small warhead (even 500g PBXN-5 in carbon fibre casing so that you don't get collateral damage due to shrapnel, should be more than enough) and bigger battery can be an extremely potent weapon. You get intel of Tangos or there's a contact and you send this FPV drone instead of regular DJIs. It does usual surveillance and then if engagement can be done then this same drone dives in to easily neutralize the target. And if unfortunately it's not possible then it'll simply return to base like any DJI. As for the problem of jungle; one can easily find videos of Ukrainian FPV navigating through multiple rooms in a house to destroy a Russian surveillance station or Chinese drone swarms effortlessly maneuvering through thick forest.

It's just sad that we've still not used this concept.