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[bakofbakchod]

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[randombully]

i am referring to the guided pinaka itself. the stated CEP is 60m, which is much higher than other guided MLRS out there

Guided pinaka is not made for missile level precise strike.
It's still a area/grid weapon, it was given guidance because without guidance with max range of 75 km, it's CEP would be too poor(>1km).

But it can still be used for precise strikes against large structures.


Then there is new pinaka mk3 in later stages of development, with 120km max range and expected CEP of <10m.

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300km range pinaka is also in work, basically a cheap basic short range ballistic missile.

 

[KarmaWeapon]

Time for drdo to enter into ai ops in social media with pro indian content across languages. HINDUISM IS A SHIELD FOR INDIAN SECURITY.

AIKosh

This is home page.

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this poster is also created using ai our IITs going to get dumber as it already getting

 

[ArjunMK1A]

Has anything been done to improve the accuracy of Pinakas? For 2025, the quoted accuracy of (~1%) seems abysmal. Hard to use this for any form of precision strikes

Being an Aerial Deinal Weapon, I don't think Army wants this level of Precision. Since our launchers were in 12-18 and amount of rockets we can fire, It does not matter for precision since the entire X Sq KM will be destroyed by them.

Also for precision we have Pralay which gives Range and Precision. I think they don't want to complicate them.

 

[Gyyaan]

HCM are hyped due to

1, hypersonic speed.
2, fly at 20-50km at atmosphere, so later detection than ballistic missiles many that leave the atmosphere.
3, fly in a depressed/straight and unpredictable path, instead of any form of ballistic/parabolic trajectory.

These things are what make the interception of HCM so difficult and hype them up so much.
Shaurya fulfills all three points I made.

So shaurya is not a quasi "ballistic" missile in depressed trajectory mode, because in this mode it doesn't fly in ballistic trajectory at all, it's flight trajectory looks most similar to flight trajectory of HCM.
Though Method of propulsion, way of cooling is different than what we associate with traditional HCM.
While HCM's have become synonymous with scramjet tech, but ultimately its a method of propulsion, If you can use another method of propulsion( rocket powered) to achieve similar flight trajectory at similar altitude at hypersonic speed then it's a HCM, albit rocket propulsion is lot less efficient than airbreathing scramjet, hence lot more fuel needed hence increase in weight.
Though there are other benifits, like bigger warhead, maneuverability not limited by needing to maintain stable airflow to scramjet/ramjet etc, ability to use different flight trajectory( depressed like hcm, mix of both, quasi ballistic), lot cheaper and less technologically complex to make.

Ultimately the HC in HCM, hypersonic cruise Is about cruising at hypersonic speeds, not about what propulsion method is used to cruise at hypersonic speeds.


For example, Russia has kh32 higher supersonic/near hypersonic( maz speed mach4.6) air launched "cruise" missile, and it's ",rocket powered".

If you are talking use case then yes a Shaurya QBM technically ticks all the boxes for for a HCM.
But propulsion remains the deciding factor when we talk about Hypersonic missile.
Anyway the maneuvering in the case of Shaurya starts in second stage even there we don't see drastic maneuvers that one would associate with a HCM(under the tolerance limits the missile can take on obviously)
But rather the final stage where the MaRV warhead of Shaurya starts to make endgame maneuvers.
So we have limited maneuvering capability during the second stage where shaurya lacks a bit behind traditional HCMs but yeah you can call it a HCM if we ignore lacking a scramjet

 

[705-Lira]

Has anything been done to improve the accuracy of Pinakas? For 2025, the quoted accuracy of (~1%) seems abysmal. Hard to use this for any form of precision strikes

Are you seriously expecting unguided rockets whose entire objective is to vapourise anything & everything in a specified area to have the accuracy of a sniper rifle?
Cmon dude.
This accuracy holds true for literally any unguided rocket artillery, be it Smerch, HIMARS, Chunmoo, etc.

 

[randombully]

Being an Aerial Deinal Weapon, I don't think Army wants this level of Precision. Since our launchers were in 12-18 and amount of rockets we can fire, It does not matter for precision since the entire X Sq KM will be destroyed by them.

Also for precision we have Pralay which gives Range and Precision. I think they don't want to complicate them.

The 120km max range pinaka mk3 is expected to have cep<10m, so missile like on point precision strike is possible.

And 300km max range pinaka is also in making, which will basically be a barebone SRBM.

 

[Gyyaan]

i am referring to the guided pinaka itself. the stated CEP is 60m, which is much higher than other guided MLRS out there

Our unguided variants have 60m CEP like the others and sub 30m CEP for Guided ones like the others.
Only thing we are lacking is range imo that too is being rectified with 300mm guided pinaka having range of 120Km and a 300Km variant(apparantly also in works)
I remember Solar industry also wanted a share with Maheshwarastra -1 and 2 with ranges 150Km and 250Km.
Their idea was to use booster to increase the range IIRC, the programme has been shelved probably since there is no noise anymore.

 

[Hawkeye]

If you are talking use case then yes a Shaurya QBM technically ticks all the boxes for for a HCM.
But propulsion remains the deciding factor when we talk about Hypersonic missile.
Anyway the maneuvering in the case of Shaurya starts in second stage even there we don't see drastic maneuvers that one would associate with a HCM(under the tolerance limits the missile can take on obviously)
But rather the final stage where the MaRV warhead of Shaurya starts to make endgame maneuvers.
So we have limited maneuvering capability during the second stage where shaurya lacks a bit behind traditional HCMs but yeah you can call it a HCM if we ignore lacking a scramjet

Shaurya doest has a MARV warhead which is separable, the whole missile drops down on target just like Iskander. Not sure if you will call the whole missile dropping as MARV itself even though it's maneuverable.

 

[randombully]

Shaurya doest has a MARV warhead which is separable, the whole missile drops down on target just like Iskander. Not sure if you will call the whole missile dropping as MARV itself even though it's maneuverable.

I have a question.
Is our SMART actually "supersonic" or a hypersonic HMART?
Given its based on shaurya family of missiles.

 

[Hawkeye]

I have a question.
Is our SMART actually "supersonic" or a hypersonic HMART?

Probably hypersonic in flight with supersonic in last stage with payload separation and speed reduction happening in last stage for release of torpedo.
I don't think majority of flight would be in supersonic as that would mean different propellant but I doubt we did that.

This also makes me think that Shaurya and Pralay can be used to dispense self guided autonomous munitions to target enemy launchers and vehicles in depths.

Concept similiar to US Prsm mod missile

PrSM Ballistic Missiles Loaded With Coyote Drones, Hatchet Mini Smart Bombs Eyed By Army

Army Precision Strike Missiles loaded with precision munitions or drones would offer new ways to wreak havoc deep inside enemy territory.

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[randombully]

Probably hypersonic in flight with supersonic in last stage with payload separation and speed reduction happening in last stage for release of torpedo.
I don't think majority of flight would be in supersonic as that would mean different propellant but I doubt we did that.

This also makes me think that Shaurya and Pralay can be used to dispense self guided autonomous munitions to target enemy launchers and vehicles in depths.

Concept similiar to US Prsm mod missile

PrSM Ballistic Missiles Loaded With Coyote Drones, Hatchet Mini Smart Bombs Eyed By Army

Army Precision Strike Missiles loaded with precision munitions or drones would offer new ways to wreak havoc deep inside enemy territory.

www.twz.com

Yeah would also make sense for faster delivery of payload so that the target sub( and ship) doesn't have much time to get away.

There is so much potential in this missile, and all being wasted.
Instead of releasing torpedo, just put the warhead In the missile and use it as anti ship, unless an enemy can defend against HCM they are sitting duck for anti ship sharuya.
AFAIK, basically indian zircon.

Not to mention the flexibility of using it in quasi ballistic trajectory too and massively increasing the range (2000+km), or using it in hybrid ballistic+cruise trajectory( kind of like LRASHM) and still getting significant range increase.





Thankfully atleast pralay missile was derived from it and entering service recently, for realtively mass use.
And pralay does have multiple small subwarhead option against air field used, so smart/pralay are good candidate for autonomous warheads

Right now there are 4 derivates of this family.
K15 Sagarika.
Shaurya
Paralay
S(H)MART.

 

[fire starter]

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[liberalredditor]

lets gooo, finally a healthy competition which will lead us to greater quality

ptc aeroalloys and midhani leading the way for metallurgy with inputs from DMRL

we heading in the right direction

and gtre has got some new laser drilling holes machines too, so lets see if our kde with afterburner crosses 85KN or nor

 

[fire starter]

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[Hawkeye]

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Our unguided variants have 60m CEP like the others and sub 30m CEP for Guided ones like the others.
Only thing we are lacking is range imo that too is being rectified with 300mm guided pinaka having range of 120Km and a 300Km variant(apparantly also in works)
I remember Solar industry also wanted a share with Maheshwarastra -1 and 2 with ranges 150Km and 250Km.
Their idea was to use booster to increase the range IIRC, the programme has been shelved probably since there is no noise anymore.

Do we know what would be the Dia for 300km LRGR. I think it might not be 300mm and it might come out to be a TBM class missile.

 

[randombully]

Do we know what would be the Dia for 300km LRGR. I think it might not be 300mm and it might come out to be a TBM class missile.

US ATACMS missile has max 300km range.
Dimensions from wikipedia
Length
13 feet (4.0 m)

Diameter
24 inches (610 mm)

Wingspan
55 inches (1.4 m)