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If we start now and focus on it , then we can have a engine by 2033-35 , but I really don't know if govt even cares about engine infra at this point.
Complete indigeneous F404 replacement will come up in 5-6 years while 110-120kn class engine would take 10-12 years. As per samir v kamat this will happen if gobermint is willing to fund infrastructure this is were there will shatters.If we start now and focus on it , then we can have a engine by 2033-35 , but I really don't know if govt even cares about engine infra at this point.
Thru did say final decision of which foreign partner to choose for amca engine JV will come before the year(2025) end.If we start now and focus on it , then we can have a engine by 2033-35 , but I really don't know if govt even cares about engine infra at this point.
TOT in engine department is a complete jumla created by the French MIC with the help of our harami babus, there is no way we're getting critical engine tech from any Nato country without surrendering our sovereignty to them . We're fed this chooran each and every time to get spat in face.Complete indigeneous F404 replacement will come up in 5-6 years while 110-120kn class engine would take 10-12 years. As per samir v kamat this will happen if gobermint is willing to fund infrastructure this is were there will shatters.
The cost for development Infrastructure including testbeds, manufacturing plants machining toolings & mfg processes, testings Facilities certification would be exorbitant i suppose it would still cost less than a jv with france which was initially thought to be around 5 billion we even see 6-7 billions in media. It could exceed even that.
However what is then left is the adaptive cycle tech as no such thing would come with k10 it is unclear as we are looking for to long. But there's high possibility of jv happens as drdo has already expressed there desires for adaptive cycle given the jv partners are working on 6th gen jets it seems likely but full tot seems unlikely along with hot section.
Anyways, government instead wants to avoid this hassle which doesn't guarantee 100% as per them and wants to get into a jv which would guarantee the invested money wouldn't result in failures like with kaveri but they forget the Infrastructure needed to test them. Are they willing to fund that Infra in jv is a questionable. Or they just want to rely on france for that matters avoiding that cost while getting a engine to be put in production in india for AMCA,mk2. Unclear tho.
In short gov will only care if the existing kaveri proves itself then a newer kaveri will be initiated for error 404 replaced which has to again prove itself along with all new technologies developed for it. Then gov might be confident enough to put money in or maybe gov will fund the oldy goldy k10 idea once even the baseline current kaveri is certified & proved. While f404 replacement & k10 110-120kn class engine will be run in parallel. My words take it with bag of salt.
They will invest if they find it more feasible than a jv high stakes on kaveri right now. A jv is never gonna be feasible once we are invested they will just repeat same story as scorpene class subs.
TOT never works. Though RD engine manufactured by HAL , but see still cant make new engine.TOT in engine department is a complete jumla created by the French MIC with the help of our harami babus, there is no way we're getting critical engine tech from any Nato country without surrendering our sovereignty to them . We're fed this chooran each and every time to get spat in face.
https://manufacturing.economictimes...-gen-jet-engine-maneck-behramkamdin/119890850In 2023, Godrej Enteprises became the first Indian private entity to win the order for manufacturing eight modules of the DRDO’s Kaveri derivative engine. Within a two-year period, the company completed two modules of the 50 kiloNewtons (kN) thrust engine, with the remaining six modules under development. The Kaveri derivative engine is a dry thrust version of the Kaveri engine project, which was originally intended to power the Tejas fighter aircraft.
Someone please tell them that machines are as important as technologies. If you are gonna run to le zermans everytime then it's not gonna scale up. They should venture into EBPVD, EBM, Ultra Tolerance Grinding (Like those from Moore Tools) and build their own.Godrej Enterprises ready for manufacturing 5th gen jet engine: Maneck Behramkamdin
https://manufacturing.economictimes...-gen-jet-engine-maneck-behramkamdin/119890850
Complete indigeneous F404 replacement will come up in 5-6 years while 110-120kn class engine would take 10-12 years. As per samir v kamat this will happen if gobermint is willing to fund infrastructure this is were there will shatters.
The cost for development Infrastructure including testbeds, manufacturing plants machining toolings & mfg processes, testings Facilities certification would be exorbitant i suppose it would still cost less than a jv with france which was initially thought to be around 5 billion we even see 6-7 billions in media. It could exceed even that.
However what is then left is the adaptive cycle tech as no such thing would come with k10 it is unclear as we are looking for to long. But there's high possibility of jv happens as drdo has already expressed there desires for adaptive cycle given the jv partners are working on 6th gen jets it seems likely but full tot seems unlikely along with hot section.
Anyways, government instead wants to avoid this hassle which doesn't guarantee 100% as per them and wants to get into a jv which would guarantee the invested money wouldn't result in failures like with kaveri but they forget the Infrastructure needed to test them. Are they willing to fund that Infra in jv is a questionable. Or they just want to rely on france for that matters avoiding that cost while getting a engine to be put in production in india for AMCA,mk2. Unclear tho.
In short gov will only care if the existing kaveri proves itself then a newer kaveri will be initiated for error 404 replaced which has to again prove itself along with all new technologies developed for it. Then gov might be confident enough to put money in or maybe gov will fund the oldy goldy k10 idea once even the baseline current kaveri is certified & proved. While f404 replacement & k10 110-120kn class engine will be run in parallel. My words take it with bag of salt.
They will invest if they find it more feasible than a jv high stakes on kaveri right now. A jv is never gonna be feasible once we are invested they will just repeat same story as scorpene class subs.
Without testing infra you cannot do iterative development. You're today's top notch engine one day will become outdated it will require a replacement iterative development is the reason why usa is head from rest of us and who told you once engine is ready there would be no use testing infra ?The testing infrastructure cost runs into billions but why its now being approved is there is no feasible case for same.
Test infrastructure will only be used few times in span of of years or even less, and India will not be able to even lease these facilities to anyone.
Only if India masters engine core a test infrastructure should be built otherwise its a huge waste of resources
Sometime i think though HAL have cash & profits, still they didnt invest in aeroengines. Very strange. aerospace companies always first go with aeroengines.