Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Did I ever mention the reason because of which we got out of it?
Against what are you presenting these "different" reasons then?

How can we so confidently assure ourselves that Chinese 5 gen fighters would be less stealthy? Do we have any paper to gauge the RCS of J-35?

I simply said induct ORCA instead of going for a MRFA tender.
By mentioning Jags, Bahadur and 2000s you're simply reinforcing my point of getting a good 4th gen fighter (ORCA in this case) for all non-stealthy role and one 5th gen fighter (AMCA) for stealth role. Instead have three different 4th gen fighter, one partial 5th gen fighter (Su-57) and AMCA.

Having Su-57 at this point would be like wearing a 1974 helmet, it'll give the wearer a false sense of safety...or in this case, true 5th gen features.

Did I?

Why exactly would be bring in Su-35? It's just even more absurd than Su-57.
What particularly in Su-35 is so advanced that can't be done by our one Su-30MkI by using upgrades?

But do I? Have I mentioned it?

There must have been some reason why I mentioned ORCA. Any my exact words were "limited capabilities (like Tejas Mk-1A)" so yeah, you're again countering me by just reinforcing my statement.

Not exactly this but ya, somthing in line.

A more refined version would have been...so you're saying that DRDO/HAL's 5th gen project would have lesser bugs that would need ironing out compared to F-22 or F-35 because these are old, government run, tightly scrutinized, extremely extremely risk aversive agencies as opposed to US MIC which works on unorthodox and groundbreaking technologies like B2

And to which my reply would have been...YEAH!

so basically ur logic is mostly in my understanding:-
1:- su 57 isnt good enough - well again, for that i already told u. chinese bought su 35, although they hv j20 etc. they r not fool to buy inferior products. nd common sense said su 35 next genration (su 57) will be more capable than it. u can compaire both specs nd technology.
2:- su 35 hv supercruise ability, more stealthy due to use of more composite material nd RAM coating. so yes u cant add these 2 quality in su 30, even if u upgrade them. u cant add composite material in su 30 nd neither u make it supercruise, even if u use higher thirst engine. beside this su 35 hv better infrared sensor, better engine, better weapons, better avionics nd jamming etc than our current su 30.
3:- oh my god u r waiting for ORCA. dude our TEDBF program latest production date is 2032 nd it will definitely take more time. if u make its air version, that will take 2-3 year more in upgrade nd testing etc. so easily ORCA time period will go for 2035+ . add more time in deal signing nd its first aircraft delivery . we cant wait till date for a 4.5 genration fighter. ORCA only make sense if we want to replace our SU 30 mki fleet, which will started to retire from 2040-42 (although i think airforce will use it for 50 years, not 40 years). why?? coz air force already told that mig 21 nd jaguar will be replaced by tejas mark 1a....meanwhile tejas mark 2 will replace all mirage 2000 nd mig 29 fleet. so u r suggesting to replace them with ORCA. which will induction ready after 2035 nd more costly than single engine tejas mark 2. according to alpha defense, people who r making tejas mark 2. they want tejas mark 2 as close as rafale capabilities. not talking about specs though, like maximum weapon carriage, range etc.
4:- so ORCA only make sense, if u want to replace su 30 mki. which i dont think a good move after 2040-42. i think su 30 should be replace by single engine (su 75 type) 5 genration fighter, not a 4.5 genration fighter. coz su 30 is back bone of IAF now. u dont want to make our back bone with a 4.5 genration fighter (ORCA) in 2040+.