Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[iNorthernerOn9]

2 reasons according to me for this 40-50 Rafale purchase & scrapping of MRFA chapter.

1. If we go for larger 114 order with Make in India... the deal won't be inked at best before 2026 end... & production line will take 'atleast' 3 yrs to come up... but by then Tejas MK2 will near production.

2. Saving money for similar G-2-G emergency procurement of 2-3 squadrons of F-35.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

Where we failed is Modi going with that cuck Anil Ambani for Rafale. Because of that fellow we had to drop to just 36 off the shelf G2G deal.( wish they had gone for 72). I don’t know what Modi saw in that banckrupt bafoon. Second mistake was not to follow on orders for Rafale in 2021.
All these make in India shenanigans cost us dearly because France will gave NOTA in offset TOT both Dasault and safran( naval group of scorpene subs)

It's not even the good ambani fellow backing it ?
But the failure ambani ?
Gandaberunda, you sir have made feel second hand embarassment due to modi backing the wrong ambani .
That anil ambani can't build bloody patrol boats , and he dared to enter his bid for joint venture of rafales ?
It's good we went for a government to government deal.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

Why will army take scrap relics of IAF? Anything that flies in air IAF demands to be under them IAF even claimed navy aviation to be brought under them.
There is inter service rivalry at every step in armed forces. CDS is still struggling with theaterisation

Army got their own lch and those 6 apaches is a wonder in itself.
For IAF wants every thing which flies in india to control .
If allowed they would operate air india too.

 

[Virupaksha]

View: https://x.com/kishanchand_89/status/1912412304270119174

 

[Patriots]

The rafale deal will be cheaper,as we have already trained our pilots , we have paid for necessary facilities for rafale in India
So it will be cheaper..

Still. I believe india will go for g2g deal for su57, if not now then some day after facing paf 5th gen fighters in a skirmish

 

[shade2]

2 reasons according to me for this 40-50 Rafale purchase & scrapping of MRFA chapter.

1. If we go for larger 114 order with Make in India... the deal won't be inked at best before 2026 end... & production line will take 'atleast' 3 yrs to come up... but by then Tejas MK2 will near production.

2. Saving money for similar G-2-G emergency procurement of 2-3 squadrons of F-35.

Could be this assuming Uncle Sam sells them to us.

After all the Emiratis wanted to buy F35, but the Amerc*ns asked them to consent to onerous T&Cs( you can expect what were these conditions if even a Gulf sheikhdom finds it too much ) , and out of spite they bought 80 Rafales.

As of today only ((( allies ))) get to buy the F-35, and even then only the ((( Chosen People ))) country is actually allowed to own the aircraft, Uncle Sam has the other goyim by the balls for F-35 maintenance, weapons, targeting and operations info etc.

ofc F-35 is a naazuk plane with it's delicate coatings and needs a lot of maintenance which is ofc done in an Americ*n facility

Hope the Import Marshalls and MoD baboons and Nindaji see the massive Caveat Emptor

 

[Gandaberunda]

Could be this assuming Uncle Sam sells them to us.

After all the Emiratis wanted to buy F35, but the Amerc*ns asked them to consent to onerous T&Cs( you can expect what were these conditions if even a Gulf sheikhdom finds it too much ) , and out of spite they bought 80 Rafales.

As of today only ((( allies ))) get to buy the F-35, and even then only the ((( Chosen People ))) country is actually allowed to own the aircraft, Uncle Sam has the other goyim by the balls for F-35 maintenance, weapons, targeting and operations info etc.

ofc F-35 is a naazuk plane with it's delicate coatings and needs a lot of maintenance which is ofc done in an Americ*n facility

Hope the Import Marshalls and MoD baboons and Nindaji see the massive Caveat Emptor

American fighters always comes with strings attached even to allies (except Jews). Trump is a business man and he knows India can be arm twisted easily to get huge orders so he offered F35 unilaterally. The thing is how much of negotiation will MoD will come up to remove the max no of strings is questionable if we show any interest to procure F35. Putins Su57 offer has rattled trump and he wants to scuffle that deal at any cost. Trump wants his friends to buy from him.

 

[Binayak95]

2 reasons according to me for this 40-50 Rafale purchase & scrapping of MRFA chapter.

1. If we go for larger 114 order with Make in India... the deal won't be inked at best before 2026 end... & production line will take 'atleast' 3 yrs to come up... but by then Tejas MK2 will near production.

2. Saving money for similar G-2-G emergency procurement of 2-3 squadrons of F-35.

Primary reason is in the initial deal, the French set up facilities for 2 squadrons at both bases. So the infra exists for 4 squadrons, kinda stupid to not capitalise on it.

 

[BON PLAN]

2 reasons according to me for this 40-50 Rafale purchase & scrapping of MRFA chapter.

1. If we go for larger 114 order with Make in India... the deal won't be inked at best before 2026 end... & production line will take 'atleast' 3 yrs to come up... but by then Tejas MK2 will near production.

2. Saving money for similar G-2-G emergency procurement of 2-3 squadrons of F-35.

Yes and No.
Yes because a 114 jet deal is too big money. From the MMRCA beginning I never thaught India will purchase more than 72 to 108 bird at max, in 2 or 3 steps.
Now that 36 are in the IAF, another purchase is likely, maybe a third and stop behind.

F-35 : no way.

No Gripen because it hurts Tejas Mk 1 and Mk2, and no F-35 because it hurts AMCA. Just remains Rafale.

 

[BON PLAN]

Primary reason is in the initial deal, the French set up facilities for 2 squadrons at both bases. So the infra exists for 4 squadrons, kinda stupid to not capitalise on it.

Of course.
All the test bench, tools, bases accomodation, training systems are ready for another 2 squad, so at a lower cost than the first deal.
And don't forget the IAF special spec. It would be a shame to spent so much money to use it only on 36 birds.
And IAF is very keen with Rafale. It kept all the promises. So all the lamps are green for another GtoG deal, at least.

 

[randombully]

Of course.
All the test bench, tools, bases accomodation, training systems are ready for another 2 squad, so at a lower cost than the first deal.
And don't forget the IAF special spec. It would be a shame to spent so much money to use it only on 36 birds.
And IAF is very keen with Rafale. It kept all the promises. So all the lamps are green for another GtoG deal, at least.

Delivery after 2030+?
F5 varient?

 

[vishmoon]

View: https://x.com/RajatSethi86/status/1911679570232615188 "Sir, my startup QuBeats - operating in quantum tech space - is working on GPS denied/ spoofed positioning and navigation. Working closely with Indian defense to mitigate the risk of multiple GPS denied scenarios."

Rajat Sethi is not just well known TV analyst but founder of Quantum startup who is working on EW warefare tech. He is IIT KGP And MIT. Also he comes from Punjabi Refugee partition family settled in Kanpur and is associated with RSS since generation.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

First of all what is mmrca-plus agreement
Is it that they will buy 40 now like previously 36 and then the same 114 drama will continue
OR
They will conclude first 40 and then decide about remaining(74) which obviously be rafale

It'll all be G2G in batches it looks like. Smart move I say. Local production will just delay it.

 

[shade2]

In India’s quest for Rafale jets for navy, air force, why need overrides cost

A deal for 26 Rafale Marine jets for the navy is expected this month even as the IAF reportedly eyes more Rafale aircraft for its depleting fleet

www.indiatoday.in

Another article referencing 40 jets

 

[samsaptaka]

i personally believe PLA style model is better for us

Army-Air Force, a joined unit under one commander,
Navy as standalone naval unit,

and raise a Marine Corps akin to USMC for Air-Land-Sea things

Gotta appreciate them chinks for copying & stealing the best from the west & changing it to their conditions, while we simply imported britshit system wholesale and refuse to adapt & change, meanwhile said gora sahib himself has done away with many of the nonsensical 'traditions'.

 

[shade2]

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/general-news/india-france-to-sign-their-largest-ever-deal-for-rafale-marine-fighter-jets-on-april-2820250419202630/

A new tender from the Indian Air Force for competition for multirole fighter aircraft is expected to be issued soon.
However, the Indian Air Force has shown keenness to acquire a particular aircraft to meet its immediate requirements

Looks like there will be both MRFA tender and G2G of 40 rafale?

 

[shade2]

If the reports of importing 40 nos Rafales are true then news of a MRFA tender is counter intuitive. I mean what even is the point of it if you're going with 36+40 nos of a particular brand of FA. Does any other Air Force go in for duplication of abilities by opting for 2 FAs in the same category except for the Gulf Sheikhdoms?

The only way this is true is if the GoI is trying to bargain hard with Dassault holding the rest of the requirement as a carrot failing which they can threaten going in for a tender.

At this point the dhotis & the babooos have already lost. Beginning 2012 , when nobody had purchased the Rafale to ~ 2020 immediately post Galwan where we should've orderded the second tranche of 36 nos for facilities we've already paid for in advance & the order book of Dassault was anaemic meaning they didn't have much orders also implying we could've got most of the second tranche by now if not all of them & could've gone in for a third tranche, we're now trying to dictate terms to a company which in these 5 years has managed an order book of 200+ nos & a waiting list lasting till the end of the decade.

IQ has never been the strong suit of Baboons and Dhotis.
They have no strategic vision and no long term planning, everything done ad hoc, once someone's 6th gen dorito lights a fire under their ass as in this case.

I wouldn't be surprised if the MRFA actually takes place, and it goes to F-16/15 or Eurofighter just for appeasement of the vendor countries

As for the UN Imported Air Force goes, they're professional zookeepers since decades now so no issues there either.

 

[Spitfire IX]

I don't think that Tejas Mk2 will be delivered until the mid-2030's if the 'standard' procurement procedure is followed. What chance is there of the Prime Minister's office taking over? Cutting 1-2 years (?) of bureaucratic delay would help speed things up. The other thing I wonder about is how a production order could be given earlier rather than waiting until the aircraft has been fully tested.

MRFA would not result in home-produced aircraft being delivered until the 2030's, would it? If Tejas Mk2 could be delivered 2032-2033, why bother with MRFA?

 

[username unkown]

MRFA would not result in home-produced aircraft being delivered until the 2030's, would it? If Tejas Mk2 could be delivered 2032-2033, why bother with MRFA?

Even if deal is signed today what are the key option
Rafale with that backlog order we would be lucky to recieve first delivery by 2031
F 35 highly unlikely and means full access to american
Su 57 i say we let Russian induct it in good number first and its performance doesn't satisfy IAF for now
So yeah our best option is not import but Tejas mk2 and upgraded su 30 ASAP
And to improve Tejas mk1a production

 

[GaudaNaresh]

2 reasons according to me for this 40-50 Rafale purchase & scrapping of MRFA chapter.

1. If we go for larger 114 order with Make in India... the deal won't be inked at best before 2026 end... & production line will take 'atleast' 3 yrs to come up... but by then Tejas MK2 will near production.

2. Saving money for similar G-2-G emergency procurement of 2-3 squadrons of F-35.

we are never getting F35. Period. Pakistan will send a rocket to pluto before we buy an F-35. So its not a considertion AT ALL.