Indian Air Force: News & Discussions (25 Viewers)

[silentassassin265]

why doesnt the su57 have radar absorbing paint like f22, f35, j20 and j35 and other grey paint aircrafts have? did vodkaland make some materials advancement that they can have colorful paints which have good absorbing capability

Their paint is reportedly is of power quality but bigger concern is the design itself which is not stealthy by any means.

 

[liberalredditor]

Their paint is reportedly is of power quality but bigger concern is the design itself which is not stealthy by any means.

yeah, the engine fan blades are exposed and the intake outer side has 90 degree angle which will reflect a lot of incoming waves

 

[Noob_Saibot]

Their paint is reportedly is of power quality but bigger concern is the design itself which is not stealthy by any means.

Much stealthier than anything we have in our inventory.
Multiple reports and studies peg it around 0.5, more than enough to achieve our objectives.

https://basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/capture-6.png

People talk it down like we have a fuck ton of super stealthy alternatives.

With an r37m, it can take down Paki aircraft from well within our territory anyway.

Enough for ground attack missions near the loc/IB too.

For wvr engagements, there is nothing more maneuverable out there.

Its our best and more importantly, our ONLY option.

Unless you think a Rafale with a full external payload will do great against 5th gen fighters, lighting up in their radars like a beacon.

 

[redpanda]

yeah, the engine fan blades are exposed and the intake outer side has 90 degree angle which will reflect a lot of incoming waves

AL-51F1 is supposed to fix that problem to an extent.

 

[silentassassin265]

Much stealthier than anything we have in our inventory.
Multiple reports and studies peg it around 0.5, more than enough to achieve our objectives.

https://basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/capture-6.png

People talk it down like we have a fuck ton of super stealthy alternatives.

With an r37m, it can take down Paki aircraft from well within our territory anyway.

Enough for ground attack missions near the loc/IB too.

For wvr engagements, there is nothing more maneuverable out there.

Its our best and more importantly, our ONLY option.

Unless you think a Rafale with a full external payload will do great against 5th gen fighters, lighting up in their radars like a beacon.

At current time even su30mki is better choice than rafale so su57 will indeed be a beast as long as we get same freedom we have with su 30.

Except for spectra rafale doesn't seems to have anything that mki can't offer, bramhos ng will put scalp missile to dust.

 

[silentassassin265]

AL-51F1 is supposed to fix that problem to an extent.
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Al51 doesn't have production version yet, al41 produces enough thrust maybe it can be replaced once al51 is mass produced

 

[assassin162]

So, Yanks won't sell F 35, won't let India buy Su 57 or else CAATSA, won't let us build our own by blocking engine sales....

Looks like only way India can have Fifth gen fighter before 2040 is buying one from China itself. (Kidding, koi serious samajh ke replay mat Dene lag jana, lol).

 

[silentassassin265]

So, Yanks won't sell F 35, won't let India buy Su 57 or else CAATSA, won't let us build our own by blocking engine sales....

Looks like only way India can have Fifth gen fighter before 2040 is buying one from China itself. (Kidding, koi serious samajh ke replay mat Dene lag jana, lol).

We can buy from Russia just not using dollars

 

[maximus777]

We can buy from Russia just not using dollars

Wouldn't that still require a CAATSA waiver, unless of course the Ukraine war is sorted out before then?

 

[silentassassin265]

Wouldn't that still require a CAATSA waiver, unless of course the Ukraine war is sorted out before then?

Burgericans won't just hand in the waiver.
However if we just buy the tech and make it locally, chances of sanctions are very less.
No other option is there anyways, engine supply is gone and rafale of typhoon are not worth it

 

[FalconSlayers]

So, Yanks won't sell F 35, won't let India buy Su 57 or else CAATSA, won't let us build our own by blocking engine sales....

Looks like only way India can have Fifth gen fighter before 2040 is buying one from China itself. (Kidding, koi serious samajh ke replay mat Dene lag jana, lol).

Yanks haven't blocked engine sales, it's the shear genius of IAF to wait and wait and wait while thinking private companies will wait for them to shut down their factories after all orders are complete and it is no longer feasible to run them for small future orders. Same happened with C-17, ERJ-145, and even Mirage-2000-V5 during MMRCA days, they waited until they no longer could. They did same with LCA Tejas orders till the time GEF404 ran out of production, an engine IAF picked by own choice. Same isn't the case with F414, it has plenty of orders, and we want to produce them here under license.

AMCA isn't going to be true 5th gen even when it rolls out, without DAS, EOTS and ability to supercruise. Better is to invest in anti-stealth equipment for early detection and destruction of enemy stealth fighters.

 

[liberalredditor]

Yanks haven't blocked engine sales, it's the shear genius of IAF to wait and wait and wait while thinking private companies will wait for them to shut down their factories after all orders are complete and it is no longer feasible to run them for small future orders. Same happened with C-17, ERJ-145, and even Mirage-2000-V5 during MMRCA days, they waited until they no longer could. They did same with LCA Tejas orders till the time GEF404 ran out of production, an engine IAF picked by own choice. Same isn't the case with F414, it has plenty of orders, and we want to produce them here under license.

AMCA isn't going to be true 5th gen even when it rolls out, without DAS, EOTS and ability to supercruise. Better is to invest in anti-stealth equipment for early detection and destruction of enemy stealth fighters.

Mk2 would be true 5th gen for sure, many parts havent matured enough for direct use. That's why it would come in mk2