Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Azaad]

that looks like a F-16.. and if I put this into an OCR, the words are:

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Good catch ! @DumbPilot



I think the MSS must get better tools & deploy AI & ML but most importantly recruit ONLY Gaokao pass candidates . Otherwise the results will be the same as what we're seeing now . @rockdog

 

[bruno]

Well made documentary with some minor blemishes but that's par for the course. Anybody who'd want a summation of the entire MMRCA saga & what followed wouldn't do worse than see your documentary.

HAL isn't a design cum mfg house. It's only the latter. The designing is done by ADA which was specifically created to be an independent design house from resources of HAL way back in the early 1980s.

I didn't knew that HAL was only a factory and not the designer of the plane and/or systems. Thank you. I need to dig more into that.

Secondly HAL isn't an autonomous organization.

I know, it is explained twice in the video. Maybe I need to check the translation again

Finally the reason Dassault or rather DRAL didn't recruit from HAL could well be due to instructions from the MoD not to do so for recent initiatives like the Airbus Tata JV to mfg C-295 in India have recruited from HAL so Dassault's claim that HAL employees are under skilled or have a bad attitude just doesn't cut it .

This is what some guys from the company told me. And I can understand them. It is not that there are bad, but due to the difference in enterprise culture of work. it is mainly because they told me it is much more difficult for a company to make your employees un-learn something rather than take a junior and learn to him your way of doing things.

And Dassault doesn't work the same way of Airbus. So, if it is their decision...

 

[Azaad]

I didn't knew that HAL was only a factory and not the designer of the plane and/or systems. Thank you. I need to dig more into that.

It's a bit complicated. The LCA Mk-1 is completely designed by ADA. The Mk-1a which is basically the same version as Mk-1 with some improvements to the airframe apart from better avionics is being done in house by HAL.

Forthcoming designs like LCA Mk-2 , AMCA Mk-1 / Mk-2 & TEDBF will be designed by ADA & mfgd by HAL. However HAL has been designing & mfg helicopters & has been rather successful at it. HAL is also behind the design & mfg of Basic & Intermediate Jet Trainers as well as certain drones like the HAPS - High Altitude Pseudo Satellites.Then it's also into mfg of Turbo Fans & Turbo Shafts as well as small sized civilian planes .

That's one of the problem areas of HAL - lack of focus & thereby core competencies . It has its fingers in just too many pies .

I know, it is explained twice in the video. Maybe I need to check the translation again

Didn't notice if the sub titles did or didn't carry the information. Just as most people carry this misconception of HAL being a design cum mfg house, similarly there's this misconception of HAL being an autonomous unit .

This is what some guys from the company told me. And I can understand them. It is not that there are bad, but due to the difference in enterprise culture of work. it is mainly because they told me it is much more difficult for a company to make your employees un-learn something rather than take a junior and learn to him your way of doing things.

And Dassault doesn't work the same way of Airbus. So, if it is their decision...

 

[DumbPilot]

Good catch ! @DumbPilot



I think the MSS must get better tools & deploy AI & ML but most importantly recruit ONLY Gaokao pass candidates . Otherwise the results will be the same as what we're seeing now . @rockdog

its pretty pathetic on his end

 

[bruno]

I'll try to get more information about how design and manufacturing works between two different companies. I know the Russians do the same way, but not in other companies I know.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

SPOILER/HUMOR

BREAKING NEWS

Super-duper-Sukhoi upgrade finally revealed



Have a good weekend.

 

[AbRaj]

J-10 indigenous ? My ass. It's a rip off of the Lavi. The Israelis provided them with full documentation & blue prints. Have you ever wondered why's it the J-10 has a completely different design from whatever the Chinese have built before & since ? Which of their later planes resembles the J-10 ?

Besides their definitive J-10 , the J-10C came about a decade ago. So it's been a steep learning curve in spite of their shenanigans or perhaps in spite of it .

This of course has no bearing on their trajectory of building fighters or even transporters & now purportedly 6th Gen FA or civilian airliners . Their quality is unknown though but that's a debate for another day.

How are you able to regurgitate so much nonsense consistently?

 

[AbRaj]

Magazine in 1980 actually revealed the PLAAF already started to research such airframe, maybe not J10 yet.

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I think PLAAF now has most ongoing projects in the world:

Major aircraft platforms:

SAC: J15T, J35 af，J35 navy, J35 Export, J16, J50
CAC: J10C, J20, J20S, J36
XAC: Y20B, H20, KJ200

A child scientist designed J10 ? Grape

 

[Azaad]

How are you able to regurgitate so much nonsense consistently?

Why don't you refute it point by point unless you're really intent on provoking me coz the last time you tried such a stunt on Strat Front & got it good you started desperately chasing Ashwin Arvind & gang there complaining I was harassing you ?!

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

@shade2 @AbRaj @Azaad
Guys were on same side. Why we Indians on every forum demean eachother, take sides of IAF Vs ADA/DRDO Vs HAL Vs GoI/MoD, instead of taking technological approach in matters of defence technology? Just bcoz our family/friend/neighbor/associate is in there somewhere? These bodies are big offices of 100s of 1000s of employees who also have difference of opinion. so why to take sides? from video of Defence Secretary, DRDO chief, IAF Chief, it is clear that it has been a collective delay/failure.
We had IT boom in 1990s, ISRO also started doing well.
LCA should have got IOC in 1990s, latest by 2000.
MWF with a stealthy design should have got IOC in 2000s, latest by 2010
AMCA should have come in 2010s, latest by 2020
Now AMCA is going to be lone 5gen jet for long time.
Americans, Russians, French, Israelis are not aliens or helped by aliens at Area-51. Why we can't catch up to them? 1st thing we should stop immatured personal comments. Just assume we are giving presentation in seminar in front of 100/1000 people.

 

[shade2]

@shade2 @AbRaj @Azaad
Guys were on same side. Why we Indians on every forum demean eachother, take sides of IAF Vs ADA/DRDO Vs HAL Vs GoI/MoD, instead of taking technological approach in matters of defence technology? Just bcoz our family/friend/neighbor/associate is in there somewhere? These bodies are big offices of 100s of 1000s of employees who also have difference of opinion. so why to take sides? from video of Defence Secretary, DRDO chief, IAF Chief, it is clear that it has been a collective delay/failure.
We had IT boom in 1990s, ISRO also started doing well.
LCA should have got IOC in 1990s, latest by 2000.
MWF with a stealthy design should have got IOC in 2000s, latest by 2010
AMCA should have come in 2010s, latest by 2020
Now AMCA is going to be lone 5gen jet for long time.
Americans, Russians, French, Israelis are not aliens or helped by aliens at Area-51. Why we can't catch up to them? 1st thing we should stop immatured personal comments. Just assume we are giving presentation in seminar in front of 100/1000 people.

I the shade, hereby attest that I have only roasted the Genrol & Marshol, not the two guys you have tagged above.

Genrol & Marshol deserve all the roasting they can get.

Look at based Admirals, they build their own ships, collaborate with DPSUs for anything else they may need, all G&M do is stone-wall and force multiple revisions, then complain about delay and "increased weight", only to make their situation so bad viz enemies so that they can force GoI into ((( emergency procoorments )))

Genrol & Marshol behave like "customer", Admiral behaves like client of shipyard and collaborator for DPSU/DRDO.

That is the difference, this is a financially-challenged country, G&M should make the best of what they are allocated from both DPSU and Private Sector instead of optimising for what foreign imported toy gives the maximum favors and kickbacks