Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Spitfire IX]

According to you which jet can do equal-equal with Rafale's capability to go against J-20?
Since we can't get them quickly, however there are other merchants who can help in the "we gotta pump up the numbers" division like

>Gripen
>Eurofighter Typhoon
>F-16 ( )

Not mentioning F-15 since we already have that class of fighter, and any Roosi jet will be so delayed it's better waiting for Tejas mk2 instead.

If it's Rafale only then to get them swiftly and quickly we have to buy existing jets from French air force, and buy their share of in-production Rafales at Dassault, the French govt ofc will milk us well for this, and def without any large order

India had the chance to build them 10 years ago but did not take it.
India had the chance to order more once it had experience of them in IAF service but did not take it.

If India cannot take opportunities while available, India will suffer the consequences, as it is doing now.

 

[mist_consecutive]

According to you which jet can do equal-equal with Rafale's capability to go against J-20?
Since we can't get them quickly, however there are other merchants who can help in the "we gotta pump up the numbers" division like

>Gripen
>Eurofighter Typhoon
>F-16 ( )

Not mentioning F-15 since we already have that class of fighter, and any Roosi jet will be so delayed it's better waiting for Tejas mk2 instead.

If it's Rafale only then to get them swiftly and quickly we have to buy existing jets from French air force, and buy their share of in-production Rafales at Dassault, the French govt ofc will milk us well for this, and def without any large order

Disclaimer : Not a phoren maal buying advise

There is a difference between winning 1 vs. 1 against a fighter jet, and creating enough deterrence for the enemy to not strike or use that attack path.

Rafale might be able to hold it against J20s, true.

But F-15E & F-16 Block 80+ can create enough deterrence for us such that China doesn't have air superiority anymore. They are 4+ gen jets with excellent radar, ECM, EW & weapons suite.

Buying US fighters, unlike Roosi or French jets, comes with a plethora of sub-systems, and most of all, the holy blessing of uncle sam.
US weapons are an ecosystem, they integrate seamlessly with one another, and most importantly, they integrate with other US & NATO assets.

China trying to pick a fight ? Boom, one CBG parks infront of Bangladesh and now we have joint sorties of F-35s and F-15Es flying over NE. American AWACS & drones seamlessly sharing data to our platforms while being deploying over Pakistan / Bangladesh / Myanmar, or maybe even India.

 

[Indianhawk]

Over all these years I have observed that no one in government takes Chinese threat seriously.
If they did they would act totally different.

Why they don't is the real question. The answer can only be given by people who are actually aware of Chinese and Indian capabilities in the real ground.

Anyways coming to the point since they don't take Chinese threat seriously our procurement plans won't change much and will go slow mode untill be build up sufficient domestic capabilities.

So don't get your hopes up anytime soon.

IAF finally has a decent pipeline mk1a then mk2 and later amca. All in due time , Indian standard time.

Meanwhile more rafales will come one way or another. Either in batches of 36 or through mrfa.

Since modi came to power I was hoping for massive increase in defence budget. But they are not playing this game.

They will only follow the Chinese curve with economy and defence spending plus indigenous production will follow.

You will see massive growth in iaf only after 2035. When AMCA will be in production. Mk2 numbers would grew just like j10 and tedbf will get an iaf varient. Till then it's a slow burn.

In the end it's the economy always the economy.

 

[Asmodeus]

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[Asmodeus]

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[Asmodeus]

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[Blademaster]

Disclaimer : Not a phoren maal buying advise

There is a difference between winning 1 vs. 1 against a fighter jet, and creating enough deterrence for the enemy to not strike or use that attack path.

Rafale might be able to hold it against J20s, true.

But F-15E & F-16 Block 80+ can create enough deterrence for us such that China doesn't have air superiority anymore. They are 4+ gen jets with excellent radar, ECM, EW & weapons suite.

Buying US fighters, unlike Roosi or French jets, comes with a plethora of sub-systems, and most of all, the holy blessing of uncle sam.
US weapons are an ecosystem, they integrate seamlessly with one another, and most importantly, they integrate with other US & NATO assets.

China trying to pick a fight ? Boom, one CBG parks infront of Bangladesh and now we have joint sorties of F-35s and F-15Es flying over NE. American AWACS & drones seamlessly sharing data to our platforms while being deploying over Pakistan / Bangladesh / Myanmar, or maybe even India.

Lol. No way America is gonna come to the aid of India. If America is having second thoughts about defending Taiwan, you can bet your bottom dollar that America would not come to the aid of India. Only limited tokens of support such as used C-130 planes, missiles, real time intel, low grade ammunition, etc. But certainly not F-35s or etc.

 

[username unkown]

Tedbf airforce in 2 years ? How



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[shade2]

Disclaimer : Not a phoren maal buying advise

There is a difference between winning 1 vs. 1 against a fighter jet, and creating enough deterrence for the enemy to not strike or use that attack path.

Rafale might be able to hold it against J20s, true.

But F-15E & F-16 Block 80+ can create enough deterrence for us such that China doesn't have air superiority anymore. They are 4+ gen jets with excellent radar, ECM, EW & weapons suite.

Buying US fighters, unlike Roosi or French jets, comes with a plethora of sub-systems, and most of all, the holy blessing of uncle sam.
US weapons are an ecosystem, they integrate seamlessly with one another, and most importantly, they integrate with other US & NATO assets.

China trying to pick a fight ? Boom, one CBG parks infront of Bangladesh and now we have joint sorties of F-35s and F-15Es flying over NE. American AWACS & drones seamlessly sharing data to our platforms while being deploying over Pakistan / Bangladesh / Myanmar, or maybe even India.

>Holy blessing
No, this is more like deal with the devil, when you are a runt and your enemy is 8 foot and 300 kilos beef cake, you sell your soul to the Devil

You also become 8 foot and 300 kilos of muscle
However the T&C here is you can only hit your enemy when the star-spangled devil allows it.

When your enemy attacks you, possibly you might go phusss also with your body turning back to your runt-like original form, with the devil then saying "Hehe I'm the devil, y u trust me? fool ".

Lol. No way America is gonna come to the aid of India. If America is having second thoughts about defending Taiwan, you can bet your bottom dollar that America would not come to the aid of India. Only limited tokens of support such as used C-130 planes, missiles, real time intel, low grade ammunition, etc. But certainly not F-35s or etc.

This guy gets it, India (((aligned))) with US ends up like Ukraine.

China is not Saddam's Iraq, they can impose terrible costs in men and material to US if they intervene in Taiwan, and Taiwan is much more important than any other country in terms of both geopolitics and industry to the US and broader West.

As i've said before, once the Ching gathers the balls to invade Taiwan and throw the gauntlet at the US, it is our turn shortly after, we are the only nail around China that still sticks out.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Lol. No way America is gonna come to the aid of India. If America is having second thoughts about defending Taiwan, you can bet your bottom dollar that America would not come to the aid of India.

I don't get your reasoning.

America will help anyone and everyone who can needle China.

Regarding Taiwan, if America was really hesitant in defending helping Taiwan then Chinese army would have already landed on Taipei.

Taiwan confirms US troops on front-line islands near China

The stationing of American special forces trainers in Taiwan marks the first permanent U.S. presence on the self-ruled island in 45 years.

www.newsweek.com

Only limited tokens of support such as used C-130 planes, missiles, real time intel, low grade ammunition, etc. But certainly not F-35s or etc.

Like how token support Ukraine is getting vs. Russia ? Oh, I would love that !

Tell me if Ukraine would have survived a single week without NATO support.

 

[mist_consecutive]

>Holy blessing
No, this is more like deal with the devil, when you are a runt and your enemy is 8 foot and 300 kilos beef cake, you sell your soul to the Devil

You also become 8 foot and 300 kilos of muscle
However the T&C here is you can only hit your enemy when the star-spangled devil allows it.

Well you make deal with the devil when you have no other option. Do we have options ? Maybe, maybe not. But definitely not in the next 10 years.

This guy gets it, India (((aligned))) with US ends up like Ukraine.

You mean a runt state opposing a military superpower and stalling the war in a grinding halt ? I will take it anyday. That beats complete annexation, and the horrors that comes with that.

Power difference vs. China is much less than what is between Ukraine vs. Russia.

China is not Saddam's Iraq, they can impose terrible costs in men and material to US if they intervene in Taiwan,

That's what Russia thought as well.

and Taiwan is much more important than any other country in terms of both geopolitics and industry to the US and broader West.

India is one of the most important emerging powers. To which superpower we align (USA vs. China) in the next 50 years will define which side will have hengemony for the next 100 years.

As i've said before, once the Ching gathers the balls to invade Taiwan and throw the gauntlet at the US, it is our turn shortly after, we are the only nail around China that still sticks out.

We are not a nail but a fucking pole. China will find they need more resources and willpower to bend us down. Question is will that be even worth it at the end.

 

[shade2]

Well you make deal with the devil when you have no other option. Do we have options ? Maybe, maybe not. But definitely not in the next 10 years.



You mean a runt state opposing a military superpower and stalling the war in a grinding halt ? I will take it anyday. That beats complete annexation, and the horrors that comes with that.

Power difference vs. China is much less than what is between Ukraine vs. Russia.







India is one of the most important emerging powers. To which superpower we align (USA vs. China) in the next 50 years will define which side will have hengemony for the next 100 years.



We are not a nail but a fucking pole. China will find they need more resources and willpower to bend us down. Question is will that be even worth it at the end.

We can stall the war by ourselves, no need to sell to Uncle Sam, mainly because of the Himalyas
We sell our soul to Uncle Sam so we can defeat the Chings, because they will """""""win""""""" in a war of attrition because of their superior industrial capacity

That's what Russia thought as well.

US didn't directly intervene in Ukraine my dude, the killing and dying is being done by the Ukranians themselves for the most part
Even in terms of supplies it is half assed, because Ukraine is a rusty pipe used to beat Russia with, if the pipe breaks and shatters, Uncle Sam gives not a fuck.

Taiwan is a small island with a small population, it will fold in months without foreign intervention, Chings know this and that's why have been bulking up for the past 20 years

 

[Blademaster]

Misc,

You mistake my post as if I was saying India was a runt like Ukraine. No I am not. But remember Russia is not China and China is not Russia. China has far more resources than Russia.

And Ukraine has a more strategic importance to US because Russia is still US's number one or 2 enemy and Europe holds great strategic importance to US. Not only that US found a way to make Russia bleed but here's the thing: they don't care about Ukraine's butcher bill or how much blood Ukraine had to shed.

US will help us but not to the extent where we can minimize our casualties and give us great offensive power, only enough to tie China down, nothing more, nothing less. And that is not an ideal situation for India.

India must develop its own resources to be able to take on China and Pakistan at the same time without needing anyone else's help. Because only in that way, India can minimize its casaulties and not be a pawn of someone else's game.

 

[shade2]

I don't get your reasoning.

America will help anyone and everyone who can needle China.

Regarding Taiwan, if America was really hesitant in defending helping Taiwan then Chinese army would have already landed on Taipei.

Taiwan confirms US troops on front-line islands near China

The stationing of American special forces trainers in Taiwan marks the first permanent U.S. presence on the self-ruled island in 45 years.

www.newsweek.com

Like how token support Ukraine is getting vs. Russia ? Oh, I would love that !

Tell me if Ukraine would have survived a single week without NATO support.

Their token support is only helping them stall and not turn the tide.

The US scheme is to "bleed Russia", with us it will be to "bleed China", ofc in the process it is the Ukies who are also bleeding now, and will be us in the future

Unlike the Ukies however we have a hostile demographic at home, who won't be recruited to die on the battlefield for obvious reasons...

You can imagine the long term consequences of this.

Better keep the Ching away till we have enough domestic industrial capacity to stave them off ourselves without fully selling out to Uncle Sam, as we build up, it becomes less "easy peasy" for the Ching to attack us and get away with minimal costs.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Tedbf airforce in 2 years ? How



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For once I wish they do.

 

[shade2]

North Korea: 'No apology' for S Korea Cheonan sinking

North Korea rejects South Korean calls for an apology over the sinking of a warship, almost five years after the disaster killed 46 sailors.

www.bbc.com

This is an ancient report from 2015 of the Naarth Koreans sinking a SoKo corvette randomly in 2010.

No "befitting reply" was given from the SoKo to Naarthern brozzers over this, even though public sentiment was fully behind SoKo armed forces punishing the Kim-Jong worshippers.

A cope excuse was given that the SoKo govt was scared of the "Over 9000 Black Artillery Pieces of Kim Jong Un aimed at Seoul", but the truth is the start spangled masters of SoKo didn't allow them to retaliate, behind the scenes, remember it was 2010 and everything was Changa Xi economically in East Asia at the time.

By being US's bitch, you surrender your foreign policy to them, you attack when they tell you to, but you're supposed to take many L's when they forbid you to respond.
And the US can withdraw support at any time, leaving you holding the bag.

 

[Anants]

Tedbf airforce in 2 years ? How



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Man Ada likes to scratch our old wounds and put salt on it from time to time by floating such hopes near aero india

 

[Indianhawk]

Man Ada likes to scratch our old wounds and put salt on it from time to time by floating such hopes near aero india

Sounds like click bait .
How will tedbf become interim solution to mk2?? When mk2 is nearing roll out while tebdf isn't even formally sanctioned!!
Forget about the airforce varient!!

 

[Indianhawk]

India must develop its own resources to be able to take on China and Pakistan at the same time without needing anyone else's help. Because only in that way, India can minimize its casaulties and not be a pawn of someone else's game.

Exactly. This is what Chinese have been doing since past 3-4 decades.

While we develop cutting edge technology like stealth jets in the meantime we should focus on what we are good at and can build quickly for deterrence.

Ballistic missiles build thousands of them from 300 to 3000 km and point all of them china in case of any hostility.

This is exactly how Chinese have kept USA at bay all these years while they developed their military industrial complex .

 

[mist_consecutive]

@Blademaster @shade2

I get your points. Our original discussion was regarding which fighter jet if not Rafale.

Rafale (or whatever import fighter) we get, will only allow us to stall the war and bleed and enemy who has a domestic MIC on overdrive and a 50-years expertise on manufacturing everything on the earth.

Point is F-15E & F-16 Block 80+ and if the budget permits F-35s will be a stop-gap for China steamrolling us.

We have to develop our indigenous fighters. Imports are not a replacement for Tejas, AMCA & ORCA, but just a insurance.

Regarding USA supporting us or not, no country will handhold you. Unless we get into a NATO-type agreement nothing of such sort is going to happen. At max what can happen is friendly countries helping us with weapons, intel and economic support during war, and that will matter hugely.