Indian Army Artillery Programme

[Bleh]

Ok, what else would you classify the following as, then??


If this ain't cope, then I don't know what is.

Yea he's not wrong ... I'm pretty sure Chinks shared the video of their most accurate strikes.

I'm also pretty sure DRDO did just once.

What I don't understand is why does 5m matter for a MLRS strike. You're not gonna be any better just because a thermobaric round didn't hit your head, even if there's a structure that isn't a reinforced bunker.

What about hitting a structure?? I guess that never crossed your mind, now did it??

We have suicide drones, glide-bombs, guided-arty a plethora of things for different ranges.


PS: Quick question, isn't MLRS really an area-saturation weapon as argued above? It's primary use is to disrupt concentrations & formations. To take out something like a bridge we'd rely on a cruise or tactical ballistic missile. The Chink MLRS is 370mm dia with a 300km range, is basically a sub-ballistic missile.
Why would we use it for strikes at only 100km ranges? Won't a gliding/rocket arty shell be cheaper?

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Yea he's not wrong ... I'm pretty sure Chinks shared the video of their most accurate strikes.

I'm also pretty sure DRDO did just once.

What I don't understand is why does 5m matter for a MLRS strike. You're not gonna be any better just because it didn't hit your head.


We have suicide drones, glide-bombs, guided-arty a plethora of things for different ranges.


PS: Quick question, isn't MLRS really an area-saturation weapon as argued above? why would we use it for strikes at 100km ranges? Won't a gliding/rocket arty shell be cheaper?

Chinese are fine with investing in long range MLRS spam (100-150km). Also what's the difference between Rocket Artillery and MLRS ? they are the same thing, do the same thing.

 

[Bleh]

Chinese are fine with investing in long range MLRS spam (100-150km). Also what's the difference between Rocket Artillery and MLRS ? they are the same thing, do the same thing.

Aren't MLRS like, 3 times costlier than arty shells?

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Aren't MLRS like, 10 times costlier than arty shells?

Powered shells from a barrel ? sure it's cheaper than rockets. But it won't meet the target saturation firing rate.

 

[Bleh]

Powered shells from a barrel ? sure it's cheaper than rockets. But it won't meet the target saturation firing rate.

MLRS allows rapid saturated strikes, but why not just send 20 drones, saturation attacks by then are happening elsewhere in the world?.. They'll have same range, must cheaper at fuel, a TV terminal-guided one will be harder to jam than GPS/INS.

MLRS may be a bit dated. Plus we now have gliding-arty shells that adds a fuckload more range without need to rocket (gliding is really a revolutionary tech for bombs & shells). It'll do a 100-150km hit much cheaper.
Fits in regular barrel, with rear attachment so no payload compromise.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

MLRS allows rapid saturated strikes, but why not just send 20 drones, saturation attacks by then are happening elsewhere in the world?.. They'll have same range, must cheaper at fuel, a TV terminal-guided one will be harder to jam than GPS/INS.

MLRS may be a bit dated. Plus we now have gliding-arty shells that adds a fuckload more range without need to rocket (gliding is really a revolutionary tech for bombs & shells). It'll do a 100-150km hit much cheaper.View attachment 16584
Fits in regular barrel, with rear attachment so no payload compromise.
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Rate of Fire. MLRS is still unmatched in this regard no matter how far technology goes. Neither the gliding shell nor the drone will match a rocket in speed. You use these when you are cherry picking targets, gliding shells for static, drones for mobile.

 

[Bleh]

Hmm... and to whom do I owe my thanks and regards for this gem of a totally non-biased not one sided and thoughtful 'advice'??

Yourself i suppose

 

[Blood+]

Yourself i suppose

How so?? I'm not the one who issued the advice, now am I??

 

[Bleh]

How so?? I'm not the one who issued the advice, now am I??

No but you definitely owe the thanks to yourself..

Rate of Fire. MLRS is still unmatched in this regard no matter how far technology goes. Neither the gliding shell nor the drone will match a rocket in speed. You use these when you are cherry picking targets, gliding shells for static, drones for mobile.

Fair enough on the rate of fire. Panaka unloads all 12 in 45secs. ATAGS burst can shoot 6 rounds in 1min but sustain it much longer.


But 155mm arty shell speed seems to be upto around 900m/s for 52 cal... Rockets are faster, but not that much.

 

[Blood+]

Yea he's not wrong ... I'm pretty sure Chinks shared the video of their most accurate strikes.

So you want to base your defense plan on your gut feelings and wishful thinking?? Excellent!!

I'm also pretty sure DRDO did just once.

Doesn't matter when it missed the target by that big of a margin!!

What I don't understand is why does 5m matter for a MLRS strike. You're not gonna be any better just because a thermobaric round didn't hit your head, even if there's a structure that isn't a reinforced bunker.

It has already been answered in detail multiple times by both @Ayan Barat and yours truly and I'm not gonna waste any more of my ATP parroting those same arguments all over again. Just refer to this post here -
https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/drdo-and-psus.23/post-60916

We have suicide drones,

Most suicide drones do not have that much range, and those that do are way easier to intercept than a rocket is.

glide-bombs,

Yeah, assuming your strike package survives PLA's BAR CAP and ADIZ, sure, why not??

guided-arty a plethora of things for different ranges.

Again, not enough range. Plus, guided arty shells like Excalibur costs almost just as much or even more than a guided rocket, with less than one-tenth of payload!! Not a profitable deal as far as I see it.

PS: Quick question, isn't MLRS really an area-saturation weapon as argued above? It's primary use is to disrupt concentrations & formations.

Again, already explained in great detail by @Ayan Barat ,
https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/drdo-and-psus.23/post-60916

To take out something like a bridge we'd rely on a cruise or tactical ballistic missile.

Hmmm... how about we crunch some numbers -
1 X Storm Shadow : 2.5-3 million USD

1 X Pralay : 3.58 million USD (refer here)

4 X M31 rockets : 4X168k = 672k USD (source here)

Is that a good enough reason for you or you want something more juicy??

The Chink MLRS is 370mm dia with a 300km range, is basically a sub-ballistic missile.

Yes, absolutely. But will it matter to our lads how we choose to classify them, once those rockets/ missiles/ particle beams/ plasma torpedoes / virus bombs/ BFG 10000 or whatever starts raining on their heads?? At this point, we are left with just splitting hairs over what amounts to nothing more than mere semantics.

Why would we use it for strikes at only 100km ranges? Won't a gliding/rocket arty shell be cheaper?

Exactly!! And that's precisely why we're bitching about the lack of its accuracy!! Because in its current form, Guided Pinaka isn't yet fit for conducting pinpoint strikes.

And the fucking audacity of these DRDO guys, my god I wish I could borrow some of that for myself, maybe then I'll have better luck with the opposite sex.

 

[Bleh]

Exactly!! And that's precisely why we're bitching about the lack of its accuracy!!

One thing you've missed... They didn't share CEP fir recent trials.

This definitely isn't 50m CEP, it's right outside the target ring. Given its length, I'd say 8-ish metres away.

 

[Blood+]

One thing you've missed... They didn't share CEP fir recent trials.

This definitely isn't 50m CEP, it's right outside the target ring. Given its length, I'd say 8-ish metres away.
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Yeah, less than 50, definitely but 8?? I've my doubts. Wish they could use a drone to capture the footage.

 

[Bleh]

Yeah, less than 50, definitely but 8?? I've my doubts. Wish they could use a drone to capture the footage.

The rocket is 5.17m long... Based on that it's hiring 8-9m away from the flag. Definitely less than 10m.

If one in every two rockets land this close, then the CEP is <10m.

If this is correct then the radius is 3.09m. bit much yo be believable...

View: https://x.com/wartrophy_414/status/1857053987582705983

 

[Rynzl3r]

One thing you've missed... They didn't share CEP fir recent trials.

This definitely isn't 50m CEP, it's right outside the target ring. Given its length, I'd say 8-ish metres away.
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If someone has some image processing software, then we can take the length of the rocket(if known) and then find out a rough estimate by drawing a line along the missile till the ground for the impact point. Then another line from the point to the flag.