Indian Economy

[hurrians]

"2023 paper that India's “Big 5” firms — Reliance Group, Tata Group, Aditya Birla Group, Adani Group and Bharti Telecom Ltd. — had grown at the expense of smaller local firms, with the government’s “sky-high tariffs” shielding them from foreign competition."

https://www.hindustantimes.com/business/trumps-tariffs-on-india-may-be-good-news-says-ex-rbi-deputy-governor-report-101741574583435.html

 

[hurrians]

People here always blame mod babus, import lobby generols (don't support them) , however no one questions the screwdriver giri of Indian pvt companies.

.engines are still from gora sahibs in automobiles

.factory machines and automation are dependent on Western/chinese companies

.Stryker maybe a good or bad option but if someone roots for tata whap, it would be a good point to first check how many imported components is drivered to pass of as indigenous platform (starting with the Cummins engine)


Economy and technology can't be developed by depending on Indian pvt sector, government should force them to spend on r&d

 

[sauntheninja]

These IT CEOs are making these statements because they are not transferring the profit they are earning to their employees. They want to create an illusion that IT industry is facing trouble and trying to avoid giving good raise to their employees.​

These shitty CEOs were swimming in money due to covid and the liquidity that got injected in the market due to US, now comparatively margins have gotten thinner and clients are harder to come by they have lowered their raises while the management steals all the profit for themselves.

 

[SKC]

These shitty CEOs were swimming in money due to covid and the liquidity that got injected in the market due to US, now comparatively margins have gotten thinner and clients are harder to come by they have lowered their raises while the management steals all the profit for themselves.

The Indian Big 4 or 5 are having good profit quarter on quarter so the theory of thinner margins is just a smoke screen created to justify poor 2-3% hikes they are giving since last 3-4 years.

And look the CTC of the CEOs of these Big 5:​

1. TCS (Tata Consultancy Services): K. Krithivasan's annual CTC is approximately ₹25.36 crore.
2. Infosys: Salil Parekh's annual CTC is around ₹79.75 crore.
3. HCLTech: C. Vijayakumar's annual CTC is about ₹28.4 crore.
4. Wipro: Thierry Delaporte's annual CTC is approximately ₹82.41 crore.
5. Cognizant: Ravi Kumar S's annual CTC is around ₹186 crore.

 

[sauntheninja]

The Indian Big 4 or 5 are having good profit quarter on quarter so the theory of thinner margins is just a smoke screen created to justify poor 2-3% hikes they are giving since last 3-4 years.

And look the CTC of the CEOs of these Big 5:​

1. TCS (Tata Consultancy Services): K. Krithivasan's annual CTC is approximately ₹25.36 crore.
2. Infosys: Salil Parekh's annual CTC is around ₹79.75 crore.
3. HCLTech: C. Vijayakumar's annual CTC is about ₹28.4 crore.
4. Wipro: Thierry Delaporte's annual CTC is approximately ₹82.41 crore.
5. Cognizant: Ravi Kumar S's annual CTC is around ₹186 crore.

It's not only the big 4 or 5 it's March and we haven't heard anything about hikes yet in my company.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

The Indian Big 4 or 5 are having good profit quarter on quarter so the theory of thinner margins is just a smoke screen created to justify poor 2-3% hikes they are giving since last 3-4 years.

And look the CTC of the CEOs of these Big 5:​

1. TCS (Tata Consultancy Services): K. Krithivasan's annual CTC is approximately ₹25.36 crore.
2. Infosys: Salil Parekh's annual CTC is around ₹79.75 crore.
3. HCLTech: C. Vijayakumar's annual CTC is about ₹28.4 crore.
4. Wipro: Thierry Delaporte's annual CTC is approximately ₹82.41 crore.
5. Cognizant: Ravi Kumar S's annual CTC is around ₹186 crore.

What even is the solution here tho, it mazdoor firms aren't gonna change by themselves as long as there are people ready to take these jobs.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

IT minister to TCS, Infosys, Wipro: Yes, you have been doing very well, time has come when we must ... - The Times of India

Union Minister Ashwini Vaishnaw urges major Indian tech firms TCS, Infosys, and Wipro to develop a mobile operating system for India. Emphasizing Indi

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Union Information and Technology Minister Ashwini Vaishnaw has called on major Indian tech companies like TCS, Infosys, and Wipro to take on the challenge of developing a mobile operating system tailored for India.

There are open source andriod distros like Lineage os, it can be modified to suit "tailored for india" requirements.

 

[SKC]

There are open source andriod distros like Lineage os, it can be modified to suit "tailored for india" requirements.

There are multiple. It has been done multiple times in past. But every time some favor reaches the babus and projects to get all govt hardware running an India based OS goes off shelf.

 

[johny_baba]

There are open source andriod distros like Lineage os, it can be modified to suit "tailored for india" requirements.

There are multiple. It has been done multiple times in past. But every time some favor reaches the babus and projects to get all govt hardware running an India based OS goes off shelf.

bhaiyo, such projects of 'desh ka apna operating sistem' hurr durr shall at max remain limited to us forking some linux distro or android only,

because, the moment we made a PROPER desi operating system with even linux tier support and application of 10 years ago, weimerican tech overreach will start dying here

let me remind you, the same weimericans didn't even let Japan, their de-facto minion partner state, to successfully implement their OS that could've countered apple at least

TRON project - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

BTRON - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

TRON (encoding) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

【電子産業史】1988年：TRON

>1988年，TRONプロジェクトの推進母体としてトロン協会が発足した。1984年にTRONプロジェクトが始まってから22年が過ぎた。これだけの時が過ぎると世の中の評価が落ち着きそうなものだが，現在でもTRONに対しては賞賛から批判までさまざまな見方がある。なぜ，長い年月を経てもここまで評価が分かれるのか。1980年代後半の5年間，坂村健氏の近くで取材をしていた記者の一人として思うところを書いてみたい。

xtech.nikkei.com

^use google translate or deepl to read this japanese article

Start of the TRON (The Realtime Operating system Nucleus) Project-Computer Museum

museum.ipsj.or.jp

TRON project was not only indigeneous OS project by the japanese, it also followed their own encoding standard, that could have competed with muh Unicode


(1988 era pic of a japanese BTRON computer)

 

[sauntheninja]

bhaiyo, such projects of 'desh ka apna operating sistem' hurr durr shall at max remain limited to us forking some linux distro or android only,

because, the moment we made a PROPER desi operating system with even linux tier support and application of 10 years ago, weimerican tech overreach will start dying here

let me remind you, the same weimericans didn't even let Japan, their de-facto minion partner state, to successfully implement their OS that could've countered apple at least

TRON project - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

BTRON - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

TRON (encoding) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

【電子産業史】1988年：TRON

>1988年，TRONプロジェクトの推進母体としてトロン協会が発足した。1984年にTRONプロジェクトが始まってから22年が過ぎた。これだけの時が過ぎると世の中の評価が落ち着きそうなものだが，現在でもTRONに対しては賞賛から批判までさまざまな見方がある。なぜ，長い年月を経てもここまで評価が分かれるのか。1980年代後半の5年間，坂村健氏の近くで取材をしていた記者の一人として思うところを書いてみたい。

xtech.nikkei.com

^use google translate or deepl to read this japanese article

Start of the TRON (The Realtime Operating system Nucleus) Project-Computer Museum

museum.ipsj.or.jp

TRON project was not only indigeneous OS project by the japanese, it also followed their own encoding standard, that could have competed with muh Unicode

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(1988 era pic of a japanese BTRON computer)

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The thing that killed Japanese PC industry was DOS

View: https://youtu.be/CEtgzO-Im8w?si=i_ecTCSO09hWUm6V

And the fact that their language is very complicated.

Amrica won't let anyone touch their superiority and kill any competitors

 

[crazywithmath]

"We won't have clean air and rivers like China".​

Indian media jhollachaps should stop taking every Tom, Dick and Harry seriously. The sheer hubris never stops to amaze;

Live AQI map of ccpstan;

Beijing Air Quality Index (AQI) and China Air Pollution | IQAir

Beijing Air Quality Index (AQI). Read the air pollution in Beijing, China, get real-time, historical and forecast PM2.5 and weather data with AirVisual.

www.iqair.com

Such clean air! Grape!!

Unfortunately, no website/app tracks rive water quality real time (none that I know of, anyway).

Ya'll remember the data I shared a few months back? Which showed that indonesia, viet have more polluted cities (based on annual avg AQI nos)?

Bad AQI is an unwanted byproduct of rapid industrialization and construction activities. Nobody has ever grown richer without polluting their cities.

The 'investor' shd consider investing in chinese stonks, btw.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Us yet to touch pre-pandemic figures

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Us yet to touch pre-pandemic figures
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rural part being hit hard by covid was one of the reason by leaderji went below 272 seats in last LS election, democrats probably got screwed for same reason. most of the incumbents in world got decimated, it that context bjp did quite well.

parts of our manufacturing are yet to recover from covid, we aren't gonna be completely out of pandemic's shadow before 2027-28.

 

[ezsasa]

Us yet to touch pre-pandemic figures
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how do exports for same categories and time period look like?

 

[FalconSlayers]

how do exports for same categories and time period look like?

I think someone posted on twitter but the site is down

 

[crazywithmath]

on twitter but the site is down

InshaGanesha! That site needs to go.

 

[shuturmurg]

People here always blame mod babus, import lobby generols (don't support them) , however no one questions the screwdriver giri of Indian pvt companies.

.engines are still from gora sahibs in automobiles

.factory machines and automation are dependent on Western/chinese companies

.Stryker maybe a good or bad option but if someone roots for tata whap, it would be a good point to first check how many imported components is drivered to pass of as indigenous platform (starting with the Cummins engine)


Economy and technology can't be developed by depending on Indian pvt sector, government should force them to spend on r&d

Indian private sector is worst. Has lowest R&D spend. Specially the big conglomerates.

 

[Anants]

India should never ever have water issues of any sort, if there is social and government will for it.

Let me make something VERY VERY CLEAR to the readers here :

1. Indian monsoons aint going anywhere. EVER. Whether there is global warming, no ice caps ever, back to super duper ice age, Indian monsoons are ALWAYS going to be a thing.

Why ? Geography dictates so. Tibetan plateau is the engine of the Indian climate system and its due to altitude.
The altitude of tibet is such, that in summer, the air rapidly heats up over tibet compared to the land and heated air is less dense so it rises, creating a vaccum pump effect, that sucks in air from around it, aka around the Indian subcontinent, which means sea air from BoB & AS get sucked in towards tibet, they hit himalayas, rain.
In winter,it reveres, because cold air sinks and is more dense, so cold tibetan air spills over into the subcontinent, it creates reverse monsson, which hits tamil nadu for rain as tamil nadu is only land of India that gets hit with winds blowing NE to SW from tibetan platea that crosses ocean to pickup moisture.

THIS is the pump of the monsoons. And when its ice ages, monsoon weakens significantly ( because ice is reflective, so it reflects back a lot of solar radiation instead of letting the air heat up as much via convection that happens from ground up) but it is still there, because tibet never had a complete ice shelf, but most of central and northern tibet does act as huge air heater anyways in the summer due to lack of ice cover.

Now, intensity and direction of monsoon may vary over time, they too have cycles, but the system as a whole is millions of years old, because its dictated by topography of Tibet and as soon as himalays crossed the 3000m mark, monsoons became effective.
So perhaps last 7-10 million years.

2. The amount of water dumped into the indian subcontinent, in the monsoons, is roughly the volume of Lake Erie and Lake Huron combined being dumped on India every year.

To give you an idea, those two lakes have a combined water volume of approx 3900 cubic km and India gets about 3850 cubic km of rainfall every year on average. This is about 3850 trillion litres of water.

The US water consumption per capita/day is rougly 320 litres. Which is about 110 billion litres per day.
Which is about 34.5 trillion litres of water per year.
If India wanted to have USA level of water consumption per capita, that means India needs approx 150 trillion litres of fresh water.

Forget what ma gangaa and various other nadi maas give us, Akaash pita alone gives us over 20 times that much fresh water.

3 Unlike temperate world, like Canada, USA, Europe, Japan etc.we dont recieve this rainfall in even amounts. Most of the above places get steady rainfall+ snow ( which is still water precipitation) for 6-9 months a year. We on the other hand, get 90% of our rain in a 3 month window.

4. We are also a nation that straddles the tropic of cancer and thus is definitely a tropical/sub-tropical nation.

5. River linkage is the only way to manage water of this volume being dumped on us, over this intensity, as it allows us to channel and store water in monsoon months and mitigate monsoon related flood + relieve summer related droughts.

6. The combination of points #3 and #4 means, if we DONT do river linkage to manage all this water coming our way, we also continue to suffer from both drought and flood, both of which cost the nation and its people billions of dollars per annium.

Actually what I am talking about is the pattern seen in NW for more than decade now almost 2. Only covid times lead to some normalcy in weather patterns. Otherwise it was all haywire. Winter season has shrunk and shifted into period conciding with what used to be spring time. so has winter rains become more spordiac , summers have elongated , monsoon which used to last 2+ months now mostly last two weeks . Upper snowfed regions who had perma snow peaks all through year and never had tributaries gone to trickle - now have started to see that.

If we look things from national avg rainfall prespective like avg forest cover - things may look hunky dory but on ground actually things are different if you try to match food grain belt and water situation.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Indian private sector is worst. Has lowest R&D spend. Specially the big conglomerates.

dhandos have mentality problem, along with some genuine problem with with industry, most successful researchers will leave the country for west, so companies think there is no point in r&d.

one thing govt can do is massively improve education and academic infra from ground up.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Actually what I am talking about is the pattern seen in NW for more than decade now almost 2. Only covid times lead to some normalcy in weather patterns. Otherwise it was all haywire. Winter season has shrunk and shifted into period conciding with what used to be spring time. so has winter rains become more spordiac , summers have elongated , monsoon which used to last 2+ months now mostly last two weeks . Upper snowfed regions who had perma snow peaks all through year and never had tributaries gone to trickle - now have started to see that.

If we look things from national avg rainfall prespective like avg forest cover - things may look hunky dory but on ground actually things are different if you try to match food grain belt and water situation.

Bottomline is, this is 2025. Not 1025. Or solution to rains late for 2 weeks shouldnt be ' hey ram, hey raheem' like Lagaan. Those days should be gone or at least make it our mission to make those days be gone forever.
As long as basic climate metrics remain the same- aka, average rainfall,mean insolation hours,etc are yearly constants, it becomes a water storing and management issue.

In fact,we MUST look at rainfall in terms of forest cover data, beause it shows us that the problem is solvable and if we dont solve it, the problem will magnify:
Your observation IS correct and the logical conclusion is : weather patterns are becoming even more unstable, but India is still getting roughly same amount of rainfall today as it was 50 years ago per year.
That means, if we DO NOT manage our water, the problem will get worse, but if we DO manage our water, the problem is completely solvable.

So if anything, its even more incentive to fund river linkage project.