Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[ezsasa]

Number of ships inducted in a certain period is a very good quick metric to see how serious a Navy is but to get a better picture it's good to have a look at the whole naval MIC. Because take the example of USN, they've both intent and capital but yet they can't get the ships because their shipyards are struggling. Also you've specific factors associated with every single ship of a class like Kolkata took almost 11 years from keel laying to commissioning.

So wasted few minutes scribbling this
View attachment 21227
NOTE
- as always, the data can be extremely off so proceed carefully and all corrections would be appreciated
- excluded Vikramaditya because it has some really weird schedule
- included only frontline ships
- no point including auxiliary fleet like survey ships because they can't be used in war
- one counter argument can be that despite not being frontline ships, they too take up space in shipyards and delay delivery of frontlines. But interestingly auxs gets built in yards like HSL and CSL.
- MDL and GRSE seem to be the primary yards
- two years of pandemic should always be accounted for

That's all I guess, interpret the graphic whatever way you wish.

excellent presentation..

 

[Ayan Barat]

excellent presentation..

Thanks by the way

 

[DancingPeacock]

Excellent achievement by MDL, didn't know this, this was also the first modular-construction built ship class in the country, they had to take consultancy of Fincantieri of Italy, they have picked up quickly this means.

Its Joeover for UKistan.

 

[Fatalis]

Number of ships inducted in a certain period is a very good quick metric to see how serious a Navy is but to get a better picture it's good to have a look at the whole naval MIC. Because take the example of USN, they've both intent and capital but yet they can't get the ships because their shipyards are struggling. Also you've specific factors associated with every single ship of a class like Kolkata took almost 11 years from keel laying to commissioning.

So wasted few minutes scribbling this
View attachment 21227
NOTE
- as always, the data can be extremely off so proceed carefully and all corrections would be appreciated
- excluded Vikramaditya because it has some really weird schedule
- included only frontline ships
- no point including auxiliary fleet like survey ships because they can't be used in war
- one counter argument can be that despite not being frontline ships, they too take up space in shipyards and delay delivery of frontlines. But interestingly auxs gets built in yards like HSL and CSL.
- MDL and GRSE seem to be the primary yards
- two years of pandemic should always be accounted for

That's all I guess, interpret the graphic whatever way you wish.

Great work mate.

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

View: https://x.com/IN_WNC/status/1877602213926719928

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

View: https://x.com/indiannavy/status/1877559715535753595

 

[Fatalis]

View: https://x.com/indiannavy/status/1877559715535753595

Looks like she will be commissioned with old 76mm gun.

 

[shade2]

Looks like she will be commissioned with old 76mm gun.

Why would they do this? It's not even the SRGM stealth turret.
I used to assume while seeing the sea trials pics that it was just a temp measure till they could get the Strales gun but that seems to be only on the Nilgiri?

Old turret what Surat seems to have had a fire rate of 85 rpm, the "stealth" SRGM turret used everywhere else can do 120 rpm

 

[shade2]

Number of ships inducted in a certain period is a very good quick metric to see how serious a Navy is but to get a better picture it's good to have a look at the whole naval MIC. Because take the example of USN, they've both intent and capital but yet they can't get the ships because their shipyards are struggling. Also you've specific factors associated with every single ship of a class like Kolkata took almost 11 years from keel laying to commissioning.

So wasted few minutes scribbling this
View attachment 21227
NOTE
- as always, the data can be extremely off so proceed carefully and all corrections would be appreciated
- excluded Vikramaditya because it has some really weird schedule
- included only frontline ships
- no point including auxiliary fleet like survey ships because they can't be used in war
- one counter argument can be that despite not being frontline ships, they too take up space in shipyards and delay delivery of frontlines. But interestingly auxs gets built in yards like HSL and CSL.
- MDL and GRSE seem to be the primary yards
- two years of pandemic should always be accounted for

That's all I guess, interpret the graphic whatever way you wish.

Great work with the chart, I bookmarked this post

 

[Ayan Barat]

Great work mate.

Great work with the chart, I bookmarked this post

Everyone happy with it, I'd be sending you all a RBU-6000 as soon as I'm able to salvage one. It'd be great for home defence

Why would they do this?

Can be anything ranging from just a placeholder to calibrate other systems to they'll be using this instead of ordering new SRGM, till they get Strales. No point buying a new SRGM and only to replace it by Strales in few months.

Old turret what Surat seems to have had a fire rate of 85 rpm, the "stealth" SRGM turret used everywhere else can do 120 rpm

In the whole history of naval warfare, not a single ship has been sunk because her 76mm main gun was unable to fire 35 more rounds in a minute

Looks like she will be commissioned with old 76mm gun.

I don't think they even manufacture the old ones any more. This is from December and even in this it's clearly Strales. So I'd guess they're just waiting for the Strales production to ramp up and then everyone would get one.

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

View: https://x.com/indiannavy/status/1877679561061675479

 

[vampyrbladez]

From the Cochin Shipyard Limited (Annual Report) FY 2024.

View attachment 20883

ASW - SWC

GRSE's design for comparison.

The SAM system seems to be the VSHORAD launcher (Igla S or VSHORADS).

Igla S

vs

VSHORADS

 

[vampyrbladez]

Next Generation Corvette (NCG) will receive a MF-STAR (RA) radar and 16 MRSAM. Shivalik and Talwar Class may have their Shtil-1 arm launchers replaced by Barak 8 (24-32) missiles in the future.

Disappointingly, I see no mention of VL-SRSAM or any specific SAM system for NGMV. There is a mention of the MFR-X radar for these ships which was later confirmed.

 

[shade2]

Can be anything ranging from just a placeholder to calibrate other systems to they'll be using this instead of ordering new SRGM, till they get Strales. No point buying a new SRGM and only to replace it by Strales in few months.

I don't think they even manufacture the old ones any more. This is from December and even in this it's clearly Strales. So I'd guess they're just waiting for the Strales production to ramp up and then everyone would get one.

Yes you're right, production of older SRGM is stopped and it must be a placeholder from older stocks,

Ministry of Defence inks contract with Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited to procure 16 Upgraded Super Rapid Gun Mount & accessories worth ₹2956.89 Cr for Indian Navy

The Ministry of Defence has signed a contract with M/s Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited (BHEL), Hari

pib.gov.in

Upgraded SRGM aka Strales contract for 16 guns was signed on November 2023, looks like they are prioritizing deliveries for Nilgiri class since the lead ship there already has it.

 

[shade2]

Next Generation Corvette (NCG) will receive a MF-STAR (RA) radar and 16 MRSAM. Shivalik and Talwar Class may have their Shtil-1 arm launchers replaced by Barak 8 (24-32) missiles in the future.

Disappointingly, I see no mention of VL-SRSAM or any specific SAM system for NGMV. There is a mention of the MFR-X radar for these ships which was later confirmed.

I hope VL-SRSAM and VLU clears all tests and is inducted on existing and future ships.

My haseen sapne of future is

32 SAM and 8 AShM for Corvette
48 SAM and 16 Ashm for Frigate( P17B may have this who knows )
64 SAM and 32 AShM for Destroyer/Cruiser

 

[Ayan Barat]

MF-STAR (RA) radar

Aayein!
Do you mean EL/M-2258 ALPHA?

If yes then why!?
What's the point of having things like ADTCR or especially those sensual name ones, Ashwini and Arudhara if even a rotating S-band needs to be imported!!

 

[vampyrbladez]

Yes you're right, production of older SRGM is stopped and it must be a placeholder from older stocks,

Ministry of Defence inks contract with Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited to procure 16 Upgraded Super Rapid Gun Mount & accessories worth ₹2956.89 Cr for Indian Navy

The Ministry of Defence has signed a contract with M/s Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited (BHEL), Hari

pib.gov.in

Upgraded SRGM aka Strales contract for 16 guns was signed on November 2023, looks like they are prioritizing deliveries for Nilgiri class since the lead ship there already has it.

3 (P 15A) + 4 (P 15B) + 7 (P 17A) + 2 (Talwar Batch III/ GSL) = 16

 

[vampyrbladez]

I hope VL-SRSAM and VLU clears all tests and is inducted on existing and future ships.

My haseen sapne of future is

32 SAM and 8 AShM for Corvette
48 SAM and 16 Ashm for Frigate( P17B may have this who knows )
64 SAM and 32 AShM for Destroyer/Cruiser

P 17B will probably have 16 x BrahMos ER and 32 Barak 8 (Total of 48 VLS).

 

[vampyrbladez]

Aayein!
Do you mean EL/M-2258 ALPHA?

If yes then why!?
What's the point of having things like ADTCR or especially those sensual name ones, Ashwini and Arudhara if even a rotating S-band needs to be imported!!

Possibly with regard to the Barak 8 being intended for use with the NGC.

 

[shade2]

Possibly with regard to the Barak 8 being intended for use with the NGC.

Technically, what is the obstacle preventing integrating of missiles of merchant A with radar of merchant B?

Is there some encrypted code involved that you need to acquire from both merchants to integrate the radars and missile together?

Seen this happen with fighter jets also, and with submarines recently 800cr being paid to Naval Group so that they integrate Kalvari class Sub's systems with the DRDO Takshak torpedo.