Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[vampyrbladez]

There is no actual NGD design in public nor are there any confirmed specs.

The 3D render is an Italian DDX design that has been used in a certain IN video showcasing cooperative engagement capability.

Unfortunately we can only speculate and hope( or cope )

There are many complexities to the NGD project, from the actual ship design and building to sub-systems like LRMFR radar and Kusha SAMs which are also under development.

If all goes well however this will be the truly Make in India ship apart from the engines which will be RollsRoyce because of the Admiral's love for IEP.

It's a thought experiment so everything should be taken with 2 spoons of salt.

Integration of an advanced pseudo-VLS based SAM system (possibly designed for 10,000+ ton warships) and MRMFR has been successful as a proof of concept on INS Avnesh.

This is Project Kusha (Indian Barak 8 ER) which replaces/ adds the following components to MRSAM:

• Astra Mk 2 sensor instead of Israeli one
• Additional booster phase for more range
• Range increase from 90 km to 250 km
• Speed increase from M. 3 to M. 7

Given the change in length and accounting for a width increase due to the addition of the booster, a bigger VLS is required.

Since the Ship Launch System (SLS) can fit the AD-1 and AD-2 which is twice the length and width of the XRSAM/ Project Kusha (compare with Akash), we can probably fit 2 x XRSAM into a SLS by volume with some modifications.

Given the fact that the NGD will be 10000-13000+ tons I expect the vessel to have enough depth to fit at least 32-48 x SLS sized VLS (64-96 XRSAM).

If we remove the booster section of the LRAshM (6-7 m length with a range of >1000 km), we can probably fit it into an SLS style VLS as well with a lightly increased width.

There could be 24-32 x SLS sized VLS dedicated for AShM roles.

 

[Ayan Barat]

A FanBoi wetting loadout of 32 BrahMos, 48 Barak-8 and 32 VL-SRSAM would be almost $450 million.
Poor Nilgiris as whole ahh ship cost just $550 million.

Rear Admiral IB Uthaiah with his boys be like:

 

[Flanker]

A FanBoi wetting loadout of 32 BrahMos, 48 Barak-8 and 32 VL-SRSAM would be almost $450 million.
Poor Nilgiris as whole ahh ship cost just $550 million.

Rear Admiral IB Uthaiah with his boys be like:
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the nilgiris cost about 900 ish mlns usd

 

[Bleh]

A FanBoi wetting loadout of 32 BrahMos, 48 Barak-8 and 32 VL-SRSAM would be almost $450 million.
Poor Nilgiris as whole ahh ship cost just $550 million.

Rear Admiral IB Uthaiah with his boys be like:
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Again... My point exactly!

But this, I'd still say is absolutely doable.

 

[shade2]

It's a thought experiment so everything should be taken with 2 spoons of salt.

Integration of an advanced pseudo-VLS based SAM system (possibly designed for 10,000+ ton warships) and MRMFR has been successful as a proof of concept on INS Avnesh.

Thanks for the INS Anvesh infographic, I knew the LRMFR was tested on it but didn't know how it looks on ship

Also this SLS is under research in the USN also, to add firepower to their San Antonio class LPD,

SM-3 Launched From Containerized VLS For The First Time - Naval News

A groundbreaking Ballistic Missile Defense test of the U.S. Navy Mark 70 Mod 1 Payload Delivery System was conducted last month in Hawaii.

www.navalnews.com

It's called Mark 70 PDS over there



Chings also have something similar.

 

[abingdonboy]

View: https://x.com/larsentoubro/status/1879053530029556025

As good as this is and it very much is this is more of a Modi PR moment than a direction of travel. A similar induction day like this isn’t in the IN’s future for the foreseeable decade because they haven’t moved anywhere with follow ups


View: https://x.com/ksingh_1469/status/1879577229522608634?s=46

This is something I’ve been repeating for a while and there are things to commend but this has also been an obvious emerging situation over the last 5 years.

The only real mitigation they seem to take is the P-17B but by the time that’s in the yard there won’t be any other PSC in production, the fits and starts the Indian military procures in is beyond frustrating. There should be a constant stream of equipment preceded by a constant stream of orders

No wonder the IN keeps downgrading their projected fleet size, they’ve given up on being a 200 boat navy I notice

 

[abingdonboy]

In a first, Indian Navy commissions 3 warships together. What makes Nilgiri, Surat & Vaghsheer unique

The ships were built with 75% indigenous materials & collaborations with global manufacturers. INS Nilgiri, INS Surat & INS Vaghsheer were commissioned Wednesday in the presence of PM Modi.

theprint.in

Patrakar gives some details about INS Nilgiri straight from it's captain.











The Captain says that the ship is supposed to be guard-rail-mukt so as to stealth-maxxx, but as the pictures we have seen show there are still guard-rails?
Perhaps they are not confident of the "deck-rail system" and need to still test it out further?

Gotta love the IN’s iterative approach, constantly refining unlike retards in the other services that sit still and wait for an a$$ whooping before ‘emergency’ procurements rain


Strales and deck rail to be the ‘standard fit’- harmonisation is something that will make an Indian mil watcher cry


Why was the last of the P-15Bs not delivered with even the ‘old’ SGRM housing though? If it’s the same ‘Covid supply chain’ excuses then it’s further proof India needs to keep buying at scale so ecosystems are more resilient and higher capacity in India

 

[abingdonboy]

In a first, Indian Navy commissions 3 warships together. What makes Nilgiri, Surat & Vaghsheer unique

The ships were built with 75% indigenous materials & collaborations with global manufacturers. INS Nilgiri, INS Surat & INS Vaghsheer were commissioned Wednesday in the presence of PM Modi.

theprint.in

Patrakar gives some details about INS Nilgiri straight from it's captain.











The Captain says that the ship is supposed to be guard-rail-mukt so as to stealth-maxxx, but as the pictures we have seen show there are still guard-rails?
Perhaps they are not confident of the "deck-rail system" and need to still test it out further?

There’s a big difference between the existing guard rails which are solid structures and the safety fences they have on the 17As, a decent upgrade I’d say and hope this is a standard feature on every new IN (large) vessel going forward although looking at the renders of the NGMV it doesn’t look like it has the rail system, not very ‘NG’ if so

 

[AGNI 6 ICBM]

My version of INS Vishakapatnam

Attack 🕉
24 x -ER (900 Km)
4 x LR-ASHM (2,500 Km)

Defence 🕉
32 x Barak 8
16 x Kusha SAM (Anti hypersonic)

Hope we replace 2 x Rbu 6000 with 16 x SMART VLS

Kusha SAM will be dedicated hypersonic interceptor and shouldn't be used to shoot Fighter jets & sub sonic threats

Advanced nation's are Re arming Ships in sea....

By 2032 out GDP would be 10 Tn.....so defense budget of ~250 Bn so navy might get ~80 Bn so cost of missiles shouldn't be constraint.


LR-ASHM with 2,500-3,000 Km range....

So LR-ASHM will Provide good first kill ability to our navy



RBU Replaced with 16 X SMART VLS and added 2 X MPLS ciws on both sides

Above version🕉:
24 x -ER (900 Km)
4 x LR-ASHM (2,500 Km)
32 x Barak 8
16 x Kusha SAM (Anti hypersonic)
16 x SMART missile
2 x MPLS-CIWS


MPLS CIWS can do roles of both CIWS & ASROC even without occupying underdeck space


MPLS CIWS on top of helicopter storage