Indian Politics and Democracy

shade2 said:
Big L for Hooda if true.
Even his own jaat-bhois dumped him lolz.

15 years sitting in opposition now for him
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I am privy to some of the sangh's efforts... large caste groups like yadavs & jats are not a unified/united entity... it's the media and their politicos who make them appear as such.

If one goes in deeper details one can chart out a path to create a regional/sub-caste based division for electoral benefit. That is where sangh is working.

My personal observation on yadavs of Bihar... & I know a lot many of them from 10-12 different districts... they are not same... all are not naxal minded... many are pure cowboys... some are big landlords... etc... Many are dark skinned 5'2"... Many are fair & handsome 6'+.

There's a huge history since British times when different small groups were forcefully assigned a particular caste tag during the 1st census.

Many yadav sub-castes don't consider other yadav sub-castes as yadavs. Also they differentiate between Yadav, Goala & Ahir.

I think something similar happens among jats as well.

This is what is being worked upon.
 
I hope haryana becomes another Gujarat.
Jat andolan parallels Patidar andolan, hope this reservation thing is buried for good.
BJP must also do justice to the people by bringing in more jobs and make sure they win next time as well.
 
Azaad said:
Insha Allah boys played well . They pulled off a miracle where no one gave them a ghost of a chance. Modipa & Amitpa deserve all the praise the get & more. Special credit to Saini whom many thought will be the fall guy for Khacchar's misdeeds.

Finally it seems the BJP & RSS have patched up. Without the behind the scenes back breaking work it puts in however well the government performs on all parameters , it'd still be 3 wheeler car.
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I have not followed this election. Correct me if I am wrong. In Haryana I did not see much of Modi or Shah campaigning. In a way I am glad, Modi is not at the forefront of every state election especially now with him at the helm for the 3rd term. He is a captain of the ship and only should make sure the ship is sailing in the right direction. He personally should be not holding the wheel and guiding it. I hope more state leaders are given opportunity and only guidance from BJP's top team. The heavy handed approach of Shah in UP is what cost BJP the majority in 2024. I don't know whether Shah has learnt a lesson or this is pure fluke. Because I am still yet to see any decision being made on who will be BJP President.
 
concard said:
I have not followed this election. Correct me if I am wrong. In Haryana I did not see much of Modi or Shah campaigning. In a way I am glad, Modi is not at the forefront of every state election especially now with him at the helm for the 3rd term. He is a captain of the ship and only should make sure the ship is sailing in the right direction. He personally should be not holding the wheel and guiding it. I hope more state leaders are given opportunity and only guidance from BJP's top team. The heavy handed approach of Shah in UP is what cost BJP the majority in 2024. I don't know whether Shah has learnt a lesson or this is pure fluke. Because I am still yet to see any decision being made on who will be BJP President.
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There are rumors that It's more decentralized approach this time and RSS was also involved.

But that's something we are saying because BJP won, maybe if they had lost we would have other explanations.
It's always murky guessing the reason why a particular election is lost.

I guess if our hypothesis is correct and the factors above are at play than proper decentralization and RSS could have easily gained 20 to 30 more seats for BJP in LS. Of course there was a scare of reservation strike down which affected the votes and congress did better propaganda and projection in general.
 
Suryavanshi said:
I hope haryana becomes another Gujarat.
Jat andolan parallels Patidar andolan, hope this reservation thing is buried for good.
BJP must also do justice to the people by bringing in more jobs and make sure they win next time as well.
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Both cannot be equated.

Patidars are the core Voters of BJP... they brought BJP in power in the first place

A brief on what happened... congress formulated a KHAM policy in 80s which stands for "Kshatriya, Harijan, Adivasi, Muslim" to cut to size the Patidar communities huge influence and power bcoz they are 20%+ of Gujarat population and most businesses are owned by them.
This move by the congress to segregate the Patidars made them move towards BJP enmass. That's how BJP formed it's 1st state govt.

So recent congressi sponsored(Hardik patel) Patidar Andolan ke pehle... ek silent patidar andolan already ho chuka hai in 80s & 90s... which led to congressi decimation in gujarat.
 
concard said:
I have not followed this election. Correct me if I am wrong. In Haryana I did not see much of Modi or Shah campaigning. In a way I am glad, Modi is not at the forefront of every state election especially now with him at the helm for the 3rd term. He is a captain of the ship and only should make sure the ship is sailing in the right direction. He personally should be not holding the wheel and guiding it. I hope more state leaders are given opportunity and only guidance from BJP's top team. The heavy handed approach of Shah in UP is what cost BJP the majority in 2024. I don't know whether Shah has learnt a lesson or this is pure fluke. Because I am still yet to see any decision being made on who will be BJP President.
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Suryavanshi said:
There are rumors that It's more decentralized approach this time and RSS was also involved.

But that's something we are saying because BJP won, maybe if they had lost we would have other explanations.
It's always murky guessing the reason why a particular election is lost.

I guess if our hypothesis is correct and the factors above are at play than proper decentralization and RSS could have easily gained 20 to 30 more seats for BJP in LS. Of course there was a scare of reservation strike down which affected the votes and congress did better propaganda and projection in general.
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From what I understand , Modi was requested to keep a low profile in the Haryana elections by Bhagwat himself.

The RSS is keen on a few things going forward -

* Have an independent party president as opposed to somebody like Nadda or a Modi Shah proxy preferably a veteran politician who commands respect across factions. Chatter is decision will be taken by end of this year.

* Have Modi prepare a succession plan & gradually take a back seat in the rest of this term

* Finally Modi still has the last word on everything till date meaning he has the veto. If you see the Kanwal Sardesai jugalbandi on TV it's the old good cop bad cop routine. Same holds true for Modi & Shah.

* UP was essentially a clash of egos between AS & YA or so my information goes.This is addressing the points you've raised @concard
 
Suryavanshi said:
There are rumors that It's more decentralized approach this time and RSS was also involved.

But that's something we are saying because BJP won, maybe if they had lost we would have other explanations.
It's always murky guessing the reason why a particular election is lost.

I guess if our hypothesis is correct and the factors above are at play than proper decentralization and RSS could have easily gained 20 to 30 more seats for BJP in LS. Of course there was a scare of reservation strike down which affected the votes and congress did better propaganda and projection in general.
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BJP won because the election was more decentralised than before. They learnt from mistakes of General Elections in North India.
Wherever RSS was more in power in General Elections, BJP did outperform. Odissa was total decentralized fight.
Hearing the same is happening now in Jharkhand but some more work is required in the MaHa.​
 
Azaad said:
From what I understand , Modi was requested to keep a low profile in the Haryana elections by Bhagwat himself.

The RSS is keen on a few things going forward -

* Have an independent party president as opposed to somebody like Nadda or a Modi Shah proxy preferably a veteran politician who commands respect across factions. Chatter is decision will be taken by end of this year.

* Have Modi prepare a succession plan & gradually take a back seat in the rest of this term

* Finally Modi still has the last word on everything till date meaning he has the veto. If you see the Kanwal Sardesai jugalbandi on TV it's the old good cop bad cop routine. Same holds true for Modi & Shah.

* UP was essentially a clash of egos between AS & YA or so my information goes.This is addressing the points you've raised @concard
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Modi did only 4 rallies in Haryana.
Center appointed a team lead by Mota bhai himself to moniter the state. However, they told state units to take lead and hold meetings locally in towns and districts.
Center ensured all possible resources to be provided to the local ground workers.

There was a complaint that BJP is not funding their local worker well compared to Congress. This time BJP spent a good amount on their party workers.​
 
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@Azaad any rundown on this guy?
 
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