Indian Politics and Democracy

[shade2]

Indian state has a parasitic relationship with its poor. So its quite obvious politicians irrespective of ideology will have to cater to the lowest common denominator(i.e the dehati underclass who are like 80% of the population).

One of the greatest tragedies was giving this class the right to vote after independence. Most democratic societies started out either as dictatorships or by giving voting rights only to the elites, landowners and the educated, our super woke leaders decided to go with universal suffrage instead.

Anyway, with all that said, Congress & their Randi alliance along with terminally retarded Pappu is 10x worse in appeasing the dehat, M's and the sochit vanchit class.

It's like choosing between the devil and the deep sea. Both aren't that good, but one is significantly worse.



One thing I'd have to agree on is CCP's ability to civilize their dehaat and elevate them from their near subhuman levels of existence and behaviour. Their single greatest achievement that probably trumps everything else.

If pic related ever knew his "universal suffrage from the start" would lead to the current freebie maxxxing dehati voter, he would have limited voting to the elites only.

As i've said it's a race from the bottom and the only thing slowing it down is the Public going for Batman's smaller-but-assured-gibs rather than Raul's "Kuch bhi" amount gibs that will never materialize

I remember him offering 76000 per year to poors in 2019 as a part of some NYAY scheme
In MH they doubled Ladki Behen payout to 3500 i guess, once again you see the results there

 

[shade2]

The ‘Godi’ media has failed completely to counter the narrative that the BJP govt has unleashed ‘tax terrorism’ on the people.

These Godi channels are a bunch of opportunists just cashing in on Modi’s popularity but hardly made any contributions.

Only some anchors through their SM handles are doing a good job on this.
The popcorn episode was shameful. Even GoIs PR strategy is pathetic.

What is noticed is that many RW folks are also disappointed on this. In my own circle too many people actually believe that IT/GST became too high in the last few years.

Meanwhile the facts,


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this is only the first decade of SM being a key element in public discourse, it will get tougher for future gormints to control narratives as evidenced by the elections in 2024 across 70 countries where majority of incumbents lost power.

https://www.livemint.com/politics/news/2024-year-ender-political-shifts-incumbent-us-uk-elections-donald-trump-11734767521229.html

ideally we should assume, the public will get wiser on how to react to opinions on SM. but we know that public at large are emotional egotistic creatures in their online avatar. it's going to be a bigger mess going forward.

Everyone will bitch about the Priest King but when it comes for LS elections most will still press Lotus button

Because whatever your reason of bitching, "tax terrorism", "I'm poor, not enough gibs" etc, the ((( alternative ))) is much, much worse




This is the Priest King's superpower, his enemy is a clown, all Priest King's mediocrity and revenue-maxxxing behaviors are forgiven when people remember that this "I fight the Indian State" mutt is the alternative

 

[Knowitall]

The ‘Godi’ media has failed completely to counter the narrative that the BJP govt has unleashed ‘tax terrorism’ on the people.

These Godi channels are a bunch of opportunists just cashing in on Modi’s popularity but hardly made any contributions.

Only some anchors through their SM handles are doing a good job on this.
The popcorn episode was shameful. Even GoIs PR strategy is pathetic.

What is noticed is that many RW folks are also disappointed on this. In my own circle too many people actually believe that IT/GST became too high in the last few years.

Meanwhile the facts,


View: https://x.com/aravind/status/1880516159013027896?s=46

Indian state has a parasitic relationship with its poor. So its quite obvious politicians irrespective of ideology will have to cater to the lowest common denominator(i.e the dehati underclass who are like 80% of the population).

One of the greatest tragedies was giving this class the right to vote after independence. Most democratic societies started out either as dictatorships or by giving voting rights only to the elites, landowners and the educated, our super woke leaders decided to go with universal suffrage instead.

Anyway, with all that said, Congress & their Randi alliance along with terminally retarded Pappu is 10x worse in appeasing the dehat, M's and the sochit vanchit class.

It's like choosing between the devil and the deep sea. Both aren't that good, but one is significantly worse.



One thing I'd have to agree on is CCP's ability to civilize their dehaat and elevate them from their near subhuman levels of existence and behaviour. Their single greatest achievement that probably trumps everything else.

This. Democracy means that the vote of a scholar and a dehati have the same weightage. And for every 1 scholar we have there are a 1000 dehatis waiting in line.


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Was travelling somewhere recently and made a pitstop in delhi for 2 days and let me not mince my words. A nuke would be a mercy at this point.

This is the capital we are talking about. A place that is supposed to represent our country on the global stage and yet the AQI levels of this place is higher than the combined IQ of the people staying there.

 

[Miss Firing]

Well, nothing can be done with smog/AQI, at least in short term.

How about the curators of the stadium/badminton courts maintain basic procedures? Don't they have funds for basic stuff like CLEANING THE FUCKING COURTS AT LEAST BEFORE ANY INTERNATIONAL EVENT?

 

[RocketMan]

Demon_crazy is truly a curse. India needs a dictatorial capitalist technocracy .

 

[trombone]

This is the capital we are talking about. A place that is supposed to represent our country on the global stage and yet the AQI levels of this place is higher than the combined IQ of the people staying there.

The AQI level of dilli even on its best sunny day is much higher than the total IQ of our politicians cutting across parties.

And, the fancy-dress-clown-who-should-not-be-named remains in power only because his opponent happens to be a non-serious politician.

We are a politically poor country too.

 

[Suryavanshi]

This. Democracy means that the vote of a scholar and a dehati have the same weightage. And for every 1 scholar we have there are a 1000 dehatis waiting in line.


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Was travelling somewhere recently and made a pitstop in delhi for 2 days and let me not mince my words. A nuke would be a mercy at this point.

This is the capital we are talking about. A place that is supposed to represent our country on the global stage and yet the AQI levels of this place is higher than the combined IQ of the people staying there.

It's gonna get worse.




Ncr will be a Tokyo on steroid with none of its good qualities.

100 million population low fertility rate and bottom of the barrel quality of life.

 

[Prasad]

Well, nothing can be done with smog/AQI, at least in short term.

How about the curators of the stadium/badminton courts maintain basic procedures? Don't they have funds for basic stuff like CLEANING THE FUCKING COURTS AT LEAST BEFORE ANY INTERNATIONAL EVENT?

It's just the air quality that has gone to shitters.
The polution has seeped into every aspect of our life.

I am young enough to remember when water was clean, even with open defecation we had cleaner villages, towns and cities, air quality was a thousand times better. I remember when there were numerous species of birds in tens of thousands in our neighborhoods. I can't pick one aspect of our lives in India and say it has not been impacted by pollution.
You can't even consume water. Either we have purifiers or buy water. I suspect this pollution issue in India will become worse before it becomes better,

For all the negatives western countries have, this is one aspect they have handled much better than India. In the place I stay there is not a single thing for me to complain when it comes to pollution. There are 3 bins, 200 litres each, one for wet, one for recyclables and one for bio like grass etc and the govt promptly collects them. At this point it's all up to our civic sense to handle the garbage. Tap water is pretty good for drinking, In winter, there are tens of thousands (may be millions) of parrots, at least half a dozen variety that migrate here, along with hundreds of native birds thriving.
The reason I bring up birds is because they are most susceptible to pollution than mammals. It's one indicator I have noticed in across the world that reflect urbanization/pollution of the place. both cause birds to permanently leave the place.

 

[crazywithmath]

This. Democracy means that the vote of a scholar and a dehati have the same weightage. And for every 1 scholar we have there are a 1000 dehatis waiting in line.


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Was travelling somewhere recently and made a pitstop in delhi for 2 days and let me not mince my words. A nuke would be a mercy at this point.

This is the capital we are talking about. A place that is supposed to represent our country on the global stage and yet the AQI levels of this place is higher than the combined IQ of the people staying there.

Well, nothing can be done with smog/AQI, at least in short term.

How about the curators of the stadium/badminton courts maintain basic procedures? Don't they have funds for basic stuff like CLEANING THE FUCKING COURTS AT LEAST BEFORE ANY INTERNATIONAL EVENT?

Mia has always been a crybaby - for a barely avg singles player she sure does complain a lot. Not sure about bird poop on badminton courts either - never came across a player complaining of the basic infra at India Open 750 before (a number of top players are participating btw, including Olympic and World Championship medallists - across all the 5 categories and nobody else has made a fuss; not in the recent years anyway).

On a more serious note, nothing, absolutely nothing can be done about NCR's air quality (something we have already discussed in the economy thread). It does not even matter who you are voting to power. Unless you are thinking of large scale deindustrialization of NCR and Haryana belt, that is.

And BWF's calender is shit. It makes zero sense to hold events in New Delhi right now.

IT celliyas are scoring a self goal here. Even a BJP govt won't be able to clean up NCR's air should they get voted to power. Opposition will have a field day.

 

[RocketMan]

It's gonna get worse.

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Ncr will be a Tokyo on steroid with none of its good qualities.

100 million population low fertility rate and bottom of the barrel quality of life.

This is what awaits us!

 

[Prasad]

Mia has always been a crybaby - for a barely avg singles player she sure does complain a lot. Not sure about bird poop on badminton courts either - never came across a player complaining of the basic infra at India Open 750 before (a number of top players are participating btw, including Olympic and World Championship medallists - across all the 5 categories and nobody else has made a fuss; not in the recent years anyway).

On a more serious note, nothing, absolutely nothing can be done about NCR's air quality (something we have already discussed in the economy thread). It does not even matter who you are voting to power. Unless you are thinking of large scale deindustrialization of NCR and Haryana belt, that is.

And BWF's calender is shit. It makes zero sense to hold events in New Delhi right now.

IT celliyas are scoring a self goal here. Even a BJP govt won't be able to clean up NCR's air should they get voted to power. Opposition will have a field day.

There is no self goal here.

We all know it's impossible to clean up in short term, does not mean we should not acknowledge the problems at hand.

With 1.5 billion people, it will take a miracle to come up with practical solutions to our pollution issues without affecting our growth.

I have been making arrangements to come back to India and settle after I retire. My recent trip to India put a lot of doubts in my mind regarding this. My mind and heart is for coming back to India. I suspect my body will not be able to handle it.

 

[Cheepek]

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[crazywithmath]

There is no self goal here.

We all know it's impossible to clean up in short term, does not mean we should not acknowledge the problems at hand.

With 1.5 billion people, it will take a miracle to come up with practical solutions to our pollution issues without affecting our growth.

I have been making arrangements to come back to India and settle after I retire. My recent trip to India put a lot of doubts in my mind regarding this. My mind and heart is for coming back to India. I suspect my body will not be able to handle it.

NCR has always been dusty because of geographical factors - in the colonial era and even before that. Rapid industrialization of NCR has complicated an already existing problem. If you force tougher emission norms on the industires you render their products less competitive and even that is unlikely to push their avg AQI below 150. In other major Indian cities you do not have this problem.

 

[Blademaster]

NCR has always been dusty because of geographical factors - in the colonial era and even before that. Rapid industrialization of NCR has complicated an already existing problem. If you force tougher emission norms on the industires you render their products less competitive and even that is unlikely to push their avg AQI below 150. In other major Indian cities you do not have this problem.

There are other dusty places and it’s nowhere as bad as Delhi. Besides your post does not hold up with past history. 15 years ago even with the population at around 20 million people the air was not bad. I had no issues breathing the air at that time. Now I do. I get asthma issues when I go to Delhi. So the pollution is really bad and it’s not because of the dusty conditions. It’s because of the polluting stubble burnings and thousands of unregulated brick kilns operating in the countryside and belching out dirty pollution, not to mention polluting vehicles.

 

[Roshan]

This. Democracy means that the vote of a scholar and a dehati have the same weightage. And for every 1 scholar we have there are a 1000 dehatis waiting in line.


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Was travelling somewhere recently and made a pitstop in delhi for 2 days and let me not mince my words. A nuke would be a mercy at this point.

This is the capital we are talking about. A place that is supposed to represent our country on the global stage and yet the AQI levels of this place is higher than the combined IQ of the people staying there.

If everyone in a family of 5 had a vote on what to eat for dinner, the chances that you end up eating ice cream every day are rather high. It has its benefits but also it's flaws.

 

[crazywithmath]

There are other dusty places and it’s nowhere as bad as Delhi.

A lot of major Indian cities witness heavy infra building/construction activities and boast of nearby industrial belts. None of them has an annualized avg AQI of 201.

Besides your post does not hold up with past history. 15 years ago even with the population at around 20 million people the air was not bad. I had no issues breathing the air at that time.

Most Delhiites would disagree. Also, we are anyway behind the worst in NCR (because the AQI trends have plateaued) - the air quality will only improve from here on (ie, you can expect annual AQI below 200, maybe @ ~160 ish nos; do not expect it to have the avg AQI of Kolkata or Bengaluru).

Now I do. I get asthma issues when I go to Delhi. So the pollution is really bad and it’s not because of the dusty conditions.

Refer to the old post of @Suryavanshi on the economy thread.

It’s because of the polluting stubble burnings and thousands of unregulated brick kilns operating in the countryside and belching out dirty pollution, not to mention polluting vehicles.

Stubble burning has very minimal effect on NCR's air (something we have discussed on the economy thread before).