Indian Politics and Democracy

[Kedar]

Vajpayee era BJP was largely centrist (with certain RW elements/views) while post 2014 BJP is overall right of centre. His action is in line with standard mainstream right of centre politics - he has been acting that way since 2014.

Freeing up Hindu temples is not even an election issue, why would he care? What % of Hs give a damn about freeing up temples? Why would you even make a point about a literal non-issue in this context?

There is nothing right about BJP anymore, only halfwits brand hindus as right.....totally cucked for 1200 years now with blips of anomaly's like Maratha Empire and few other local hotspots. Under this "right" BJP, even 1971 Paki split would not occur. That was due to an anomaly in congress (IG) but that idiot didn't profit anything from there either. BJP is making big mistakes as it is in the current form and require next gen true sons of Bharat that have guts to challenge the status quo on many things. There is no lion behind this 11D leadership now.....Modi is not bad but just not enough anymore. 2nd term was a total waste and will be consequential in a not so good way.

As for budget, get a move on...it was never relevant to "common man" unless you are in "appease" class of spectrum both top and bottom. BJP is good for business and it should be like that.

 

[Screambowl]

India is all about elections nothing else, even though it's a great country.

 

[Kedar]

Bharath is a democracy, and Modi is not Mao (thank heavens for that!). You cannot “steamroll” reforms or citizens in the name of “development.” Besides, Mao set China back culturally, politically, and even economically by centuries until Deng Xiaoping came to the rescue.

For all the talk of Modi and Shah being naive, he became the only PM after Nehru to win a third term, and that too with 200+ seats while battling post-COVID rural distress, global chaos, global inflation, failed monsoon, and all the manufactured drama by the opposition. The duo are responsible for planting BJP flags in every corner of India, have helped form governments in states where BJP was never in power before, and energized a base that was written off after constant defeats between 2004 and 2012.

There is only so much one can do with a fickle-minded voter base, a militant farmer and labor class, and a bureaucracy with corrupt roots going back to the 19th century. For all the talk of “bulldozing reforms,” we just saw what happened to Yogi Adityanath’s attempt to electronically track teachers’ attendance and have food sellers put their names on the signs. Democracy and electoral politics are all about maintaining a delicate balance because you never know what tomorrow holds, as Kejri found out the hard way.

We can shove that democracy up our ass....top down is the only government that will ever make sense. This is the how things occur in natural world, there is always a hope for good ruler after 10 worst ones....democracy is a death sentence for ever. Idiot counts are always underestimated and giving them influence only leads to suicidal consequences but these days suicide is a virtue according to some. Democracy's only chance is in a rascist society like Europe and USA before they went suicidal. These democracies are the most brutal and Mao or anyone else pales if you compare objectively.

 

[Screambowl]

We can shove that democracy up our ass....top down is the only government that will ever make sense. This is the how things occur in natural world, there is always a hope for good ruler after 10 worst ones....democracy is a death sentence for ever. Idiot counts are always underestimated and giving them influence only leads to suicidal consequences but these days suicide is a virtue according to some. Democracy's only chance is in a rascist society like Europe and USA before they went suicidal. These democracies are the most brutal and Mao or anyone else pales if you compare objectively.

Sir, these are big talks when 80 crore are fed by government directly. Every one in India wants to show himself as victim only then things progress.

Free Foodgrains for 81.35 crore beneficiaries for five years: Cabinet Decision

The Cabinet led by Prime Minister has decided that the Central government will provide free food gra

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Free Foodgrains for 81.35 crore beneficiaries for five years: Cabinet Decision​

 

[Kedar]

These are just convenient excuses. He had 10 years to groom many Arun Jaitleys and institutionalize the Hindu Renaissance. Modi is an inflexible learner who has shown a pattern of using older success formulas without reading the opposition.

400+ is an electoral impossibility and a bit laughable to even be considered a serious assignment. Modi knew the anti-incumbency so went for a rhetoric that softened his fall by creating doubt in the minds of anti-incumbents.

Current SC is the most pro-regime we could have ever got.

Probably I was the first one from the extreme Right side who asked him to retire this term 2-3 years back at DFI. No doubt, he has done well to secure victory and Shri Ram Temple may not have worked for them locally but it has worked very well in the distance. But this can not be enough as an achievement. With malignant opposition, the time demands a more resurgent BJP that must find a remedy for the next big anti-incumbency which will also start to percolate in the state.

Well said, some hardcore fans just are pathetically optimistic with their "lets wait" till 10T gdp or 400 seats and so on. All Modi had to do is enforce existing laws impartially and restrain judiciary by bringing attention to them when they work against national interests. Most dangerous things follow misguided leaders, he is emboldening so many destructive forces and personalities by being so weak

 

[Screambowl]

Well said, some hardcore fans just are pathetically optimistic with their "lets wait" till 10T gdp or 400 seats and so on.

All excuses, just bunch of losers nothing else. Look at kashmir and Jammu now.

 

[Kedar]

Sir, these are big talks when 80 crore are fed by government directly. Every one in India wants to show himself as victim only then things progress.

Free Foodgrains for 81.35 crore beneficiaries for five years: Cabinet Decision

The Cabinet led by Prime Minister has decided that the Central government will provide free food gra

pib.gov.in

Most of Indian history is top down both good periods and bad periods. 80% will only grow upwards mathematically averaging the bias....80% in social sphere is less likely to come down to 20%. What we need is one party and Bharat oriented that is not centered on converts appeasement. This is the only formula that will bring 80% to 30%.

 

[crazywithmath]

There is nothing right about BJP anymore, only halfwits brand hindus as right.....totally cucked for 1200 years now with blips of anomaly's like Maratha Empire and few other local hotspots. Under this "right" BJP, even 1971 Paki split would not occur. That was due to an anomaly in congress (IG) but that idiot didn't profit anything from there either. BJP is making big mistakes as it is in the current form and require next gen true sons of Bharat that have guts to challenge the status quo on many things. There is no lion behind this 11D leadership now.....Modi is not bad but just not enough anymore. 2nd term was a total waste and will be consequential in a not so good way.

As for budget, get a move on...it was never relevant to "common man" unless you are in "appease" class of spectrum both top and bottom. BJP is good for business and it should be like that.

1. Casualties at Kashmir valley at historic lows.

2. Serial bomb blasts in major cities a thing of the past.

3. Maoist insurgency at historic lows.

3. Largely peaceful northeast (Manipur 2023 notwithstanding).

4. International border with BD largely fenced (close to 80% fenced in WB - the state with slowest progress); consistent drop in infiltration numbers.

5. Unknown gunmen taking out terrorists in foreign jurisdictions.

6. Not one major terror attack since 2019.

7. Major riots a thing of the past.

8. Article 370 gone.

The most peaceful India has ever been since independence - no previous goverment was even half as competent.

 

[Prasad]

1. Yup, guys like Arun jaitley can be "groomed". It's so easy, pick few leaders and tell them 'you be like Arum Jaitley now, you hear lad' and vola, by magic they will become like Arun Jaitley. In history of Indian politics there may have been like 3-4 guys like Arun Jaitley across all parties.

2. 'Look at J&K now'...yeah, look at it and compare it to pre 2014. unless ones brain is replaced with dung, the changes are there to see

3. 'OMG, govt is taking tax from my salary'. Yeah man, it's a completely new concept introduced by fascist Modi. Before 2014, instead of salary being taxed, you used to get extra money from Cong every month.

4. 'Hindu street power has been destroyed by modi'. What fking street power? The only street power hindus ever had belonged to BJP-RSS and it's off shoots. Even that was limited in scope and region. The only state in South India where the street power ever existed is Kerala. In west, only Gujarat. In East, nada.
And out side of RSS offshoots, hindus have not covered themselves in glory since independence to shout 'street power'. Even today all it takes is a dozen muzzie 12 year olds with stones to make hundreds of us run to police to lodge a complaint.
It's hilarious to see people talking about destroying something that never existed.

 

[Screambowl]

1. Casualties at Kashmir valley at historic lows.

2. Serial bomb blasts in major cities a thing of the past.

3. Maoist insurgency at historic lows.

3. Largely peaceful northeast (Manipur 2023 notwithstanding).

4. International border with BD largely fenced (close to 80% fenced in WB - the state with slowest progress); consistent drop in infiltration numbers.

5. Unknown gunmen taking out terrorists in foreign jurisdictions.

6. Not one major terror attack since 2019.

7. Major riots a thing of the past.

8. Article 370 gone.

The most peaceful India has ever been since independence - no previous goverment was even half as competent.

Just because symptoms are not appearing doesn't mean that the disease has vanished.

 

[crazywithmath]

Just because symptoms are not appearing doesn't mean that the disease has vanished.

What on earth is that even supposed to mean?

 

[hit&run]

Most of Indian history is top down both good periods and bad periods. 80% will only grow upwards mathematically averaging the bias....80% in social sphere is less likely to come down to 20%. What we need is one party and Bharat oriented that is not centered on converts appeasement. This is the only formula that will bring 80% to 30%.

The anomaly started at our inception.

A nation that lies to itself because a megalomaniac leader asked us not to trust the two-nation theory; and allowed hardcore Islamists to draw wrong conclusions for us (the first education minister) about the viability of Pakistan that almost became a bonafide Western 5-Eye ally, still at par militarily with nuclear weapons. Ironically added more wrong conclusions and still doing it like the creation of Bangladesh to negate it further is supposed to see the chickens of this theory coming back home to roost.

How obtuse a nation can be that went for an overdramatic idea of a secular constitutional democracy that did not bother to formally describe secularism which anyhow got back into the preamble illegally to hound Hindus forever. That did not profile and project the demography and its traits. A nation that lost thousands of its sons in the hands of Khalistanis to whom we did nothing wrong till they held the whole state to ransom with the help of Pakistan and captured the highest shrine also revered by Hindus to spew hate and with military-grade fortifications. We did nothing wrong as the shrine was given back with no systematic onslaught on their small population till they killed the most powerful leader.

Yet we are repeatedly offering them a chance to be back in the mainstream getting Hindu blood wasted while pursuing both Jihadis and Khalistanis. Yet we are not targeting the root cause. Yet we endure all the insults as they have made negative alliances with our enemies.

I can add more reasons to that ordeal but in a nutshell, do whatever you want we are losing this fight till we are not ready to call their bluff.

 

[Screambowl]

What on earth is that even supposed to mean?

It means that this is that silence which appears before the storm arrives.

 

[hit&run]

@Parsad, Let me ask you. You picked on a point I made in a conversation with @Blademaster. The member @Blademaster suggested that the 3rd term of Modi is guarded/hindered because of the absence of Arun Jaitley. I responded to negate that point because AJ is not relevant to Modi's 3rd term.

Kindly add your POV from this specific disagreement rather than taking it to a tangent.

 

[Blademaster]

@Parsad, Let me ask you. You picked on a point I made in a conversation with @Blademaster. The member @Blademaster suggested that the 3rd term of Modi is guarded/hindered because of the absence of Arun Jaitley. I responded to negate that point because AJ is not relevant to Modi's 3rd term.

Kindly add your POV from this specific disagreement rather than taking it to a tangent.

You misread my comments. I said we need someone with the political acumen of Arun Jaitley. Amit Shah does not fit the bill. So we need to find another person of that caliber. Yes you need political acumen to get things done especially with a governing coalition.

 

[Vinod Patter]

The anomaly started at our inception.

A nation that lies to itself because a megalomaniac leader asked us not to trust the two-nation theory; and allowed hardcore Islamists to draw wrong conclusions for us (the first education minister) about the viability of Pakistan that almost became a bonafide Western 5-Eye ally, still at par militarily with nuclear weapons. Ironically added more wrong conclusions and still doing it like the creation of Bangladesh to negate it further is supposed to see the chickens of this theory coming back home to roost.

How obtuse a nation can be that went for an overdramatic idea of a secular constitutional democracy that did not bother to formally describe secularism which anyhow got back into the preamble illegally to hound Hindus forever. That did not profile and project the demography and its traits. A nation that lost thousands of its sons in the hands of Khalistanis to whom we did nothing wrong till they held the whole state to ransom with the help of Pakistan and captured the highest shrine also revered by Hindus to spew hate and with military-grade fortifications. We did nothing wrong as the shrine was given back with no systematic onslaught on their small population till they killed the most powerful leader.

Yet we are repeatedly offering them a chance to be back in the mainstream getting Hindu blood wasted while pursuing both Jihadis and Khalistanis. Yet we are not targeting the root cause. Yet we endure all the insults as they have made negative alliances with our enemies.

I can add more reasons to that ordeal but in a nutshell, do whatever you want we are losing this fight till we are not ready to call their bluff.

Powerful nations rose through a huge civil war. China , America you name any big power. We simply shied away from fighting our own civil war back in 1947, independence should have been delayed a bit to finish off the unfinished agenda. I think I am expecting too much from Hindus who have no shatrubodh, but the world is brutal it only works like that, only the fittest survive. Total transfer of population should have been done, but power hungry Lehru chacha did not have guts. Now kat mulla population is exploding out of control, being appeased by the opposition, but when Modi started pasmanda appeasement, he forgot his old teachings about Dar Al-islam and Dar Al-harb ( house of war). India is Dar Al-harb or house of war for them. Needless pampering of Mac Sikhs by Modi is another naive approach. Tatt Khalsa Sikhs are not defenders of India, the leader of the Tatt Khalsa Singh Sabha was Gurmukh Singh, he was a professor at the oriental college of Lahore . He approached Kahn Singh Nabha , so called scholar ,who wrote Mahan Kosh (encyclopedia of Sikhism) and Ham Hindu Nahin (We are not Hindus). Gurmukh Singh and Kahn Singh Nabha later mentored Max Arthur Macauliffe, at that time he was a divisional judge, to undertake the translation of Granth Sahib (finished in 1909). So Modi trust people who read a book translated by a angrez. Khalistan movement has its roots in pre independence era, it is a legacy of British, which they left behind to keep India bogged down, entangled. Indira Gandhi, Kamalnath, Sanjay Gandhi did a huge mistake by creating a Frankenstein Bhindranwale, they played with national security. Modi should learn from history, jiska sath sirf uska vikas. Mac Sikhs, Muslim will not vote for BJP no matter what.

 

[hit&run]

You misread my comments. I said we need someone with the political acumen of Arun Jaitley. Amit Shah does not fit the bill. So we need to find another person of that caliber. Yes you need political acumen to get things done especially with a governing coalition.

Political acumen like AJ did diddly-squat when Modi tried his hands on Judicial and land reforms during his first term.

To add more: On the contrary, Modi did better when both AJ and SS were not at the helm.

 

[DingDong]

Yes but you fail to see the problem which is the SC looking the other way while Mamata Banerjee is using violence and violating every norm of the Constitution because she’s anti Modi. SC is very much anti-Modi so SC look for any excuse to rap BJP and Modi down and give a free pass to anyone not BJP. That’s the problem. Modi was counting on getting 400+ seats to get around the SC problem. SC was the biggest hurdle in Modi’s govt reforms. We needed Arun Jaitlet’s political acumen because he had a knack for getting things done despite SC opposition.

Modi himself tried to buy peace (I wonder what was promised in the return) on the dead bodies of the BJP workers. Forget about the BJP workers, Modi's government did not even come to the rescue of the central investigating agencies when they were continuously hounded by the state police.

The SC is not a hurdle, BJP's flip-flop in WB is the issue.

Modi tried to micromanage the WB situation, ended up holding off BJP's steady growth in the state.

Modi already enjoyed a sufficient majority in the parliament after 2019. The Judicial reform bill passed by the parliament was halted by the SC, however what prevented the government from re-promulgating the bill? It is not like the parliament has not overturned the SC's decisions (SC/ST act).

BTW, why have the central agencies failed to file a single charge-sheet in all the anti-corruption investigations going on in the state?

Just like ABV (nuclear tests), Modi released his single hit (J&K restructuring) and then went silent, he has mostly been disappointing.

 

[Anonymous Bharata]

Treason by Congis

View: https://x.com/mountain_rats/status/1816074085597937883

View: https://x.com/mountain_rats/status/1816075288041906685

 

[TringTringMonster]

Treason by Congis

View: https://x.com/mountain_rats/status/1816074085597937883

View: https://x.com/mountain_rats/status/1816075288041906685

What really happened? Does anyone have any readings on this? Especially how the SF CO made the IB guys run back to Delhi?