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shade2 said:
People are giving frothing at the mouth responses to this as if Mudi has declared 70% reservation in private sector and 90% in public sector :bplease:

We all know currently nothing like that will happen, one is because of lobbying by the dhandhos and 2nd is the Milauds interfering.
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Damn, @shade2 nibba dropping a truth bomb.

Also, bhajipao wallahs were already giving hints;

Ninda ji promised caste census back in 2018;

www.outlookindia.com

‘Rajnath Singh Promised Caste Census In 2018, Why Backtrack Now?' NDA Allies Up The Ante

‘Rajnath Singh Promised Caste Census In 2018, Why Backtrack Now?' NDA Allies Up The Ante
www.outlookindia.com www.outlookindia.com

Meanwhile, Amit Shah in 2023;


In March, 2024;


In September, 2024;


They will keep flip-flopping this way and likely nothing will come out of it. Like the quoted Tweet read - a number of states already did it; what has changed since?

Anyway, response from the RSS - you can pretty much gauge the mood;


Then, some member got pissed when I called this whole exercise a lollipop yesterday....
 
crazywithmath said:
Then, some member got pissed when I called this whole exercise a lollipop yesterday....
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As i've said frothing at the mouth response.

The guys here take a leap of logic of
Bhajipao caste census -> cap of 50% reservation breach, reservation in private sector -> I MUST LEAVE THIS CUNTRY REEEE

It's like in the Khalistan Andolan
Farm Laws -> Adani-Ambani grabbing my land -> OOOO DILLI CHLO PENCHO!

Anyway this is a lollipop not just for Bihar elections but for the current Pahalgam terrorist attack outrage.
 
Guys. No blue on blue please.

I don’t buy the IT cell logic that this is all some ultra chanakiyan deep strategy move to do NRC in disguise or sub categorisation of castes.

It’s a disaster of epic proportions cuz this feeds the fire of caste politics and proves to breaking India forces that jaati is how you divide bharatiya society. As we’ve seen from pappu’s presser y’day, their demands are just going to get shriller and shriller over the coming years and decades. Remove the cap, pvt sector quotas, quotas for OBCs in parliament, judiciary, military, wealth redistribution…. Basically equality of outcome instead of equal opportunities for all. Truly pulling desh into darkness.

And leader ji succumbed to this pressure. No other way to spin this.

Nobody’s answered my previous Q though. In light of the population jihad being waged against you, how do you convince your wimmens to make more babies? This is a real and present problem many of us senior memberaan are facing with no easy solutions. We also need to fix this structural issue if Hindus want to preserve themselves over the next 2-3 generations.

Let’s discuss solutions instead on vidhwa vilaap.
 
darkflame said:
It seems BJP's term as a hindutva party has come to an abrupt end, they have gone full throttle into politics

View: https://x.com/ANI/status/1917808717858230663
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How tone deaf the BJP ministers are. Each and every BJP minister and several State CM are posting how big of a masterstroke this decision is.
Everyone is getting a sound beating but acting "Sab Changa Si". No one has any say in this Govt apart from the Big-2​
 
crazywithmath said:
Damn, @shade2 nibba dropping a truth bomb.

Also, bhajipao wallahs were already giving hints;

Ninda ji promised caste census back in 2018;

www.outlookindia.com

‘Rajnath Singh Promised Caste Census In 2018, Why Backtrack Now?' NDA Allies Up The Ante

‘Rajnath Singh Promised Caste Census In 2018, Why Backtrack Now?' NDA Allies Up The Ante
www.outlookindia.com www.outlookindia.com

Meanwhile, Amit Shah in 2023;


In March, 2024;


In September, 2024;


They will keep flip-flopping this way and likely nothing will come out of it. Like the quoted Tweet read - a number of states already did it; what has changed since?

Anyway, response from the RSS - you can pretty much gauge the mood;


Then, some member got pissed when I called this whole exercise a lollipop yesterday....
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Biggest issue is what was the need to bring this notification now?
People were expecting Govt to take any sort of action on Pakistan and the terrorist involved in the attack in Pahalgam.

Look at the whole ordeal yesterday:
AV came and spoke about the cast census barely manage to speak for 15 mins. This is something the govt should have done after 7-8 hours of debate in the Parliament.

RaGa came prepared in press conference and spoke the same thing for over 1.5 hour. Look at his ego and confidence. He utilized the situation in his favor and spoke like a big leader.

Just compare the two Press Conferences!

Does BJP ever look like they are in Power for over 10 years?​
 
SKC said:
Biggest issue is what was the need to bring this notification now?
People were expecting Govt to take any sort of action on Pakistan and the terrorist involved in the attack in Pahalgam.

Look at the whole ordeal yesterday:
AV came and spoke about the cast census barely manage to speak for 15 mins. This is something the govt should have done after 7-8 hours of debate in the Parliament.

RaGa came prepared in press conference and spoke the same thing for over 1.5 hour. Look at his ego and confidence. He utilized the situation in his favor and spoke like a big leader.

Just compare the two Press Conferences!

Does BJP ever look like they are in Power for over 10 years?​
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Even BJP's own leaders are giving conflicting opinions on this.

Even if they wanted to do this, they should gone about it in a different way,
this just looks like they gave into pappu.
 
The biggest thing one can do to uplift masses and make them reach a minimum living scale:
Democratize Education, resources and make them in reach of everyone.

However, the lower-level education remain poor and resources are nowhere to be seen.

BJP worked hard to increase medical seats in MBBS and MD programs but nothing has changed in Junior School and High School level. Schools are still derelict outside major cities and towns, teachers nowhere to be found.
The district level colleges are teaching 30-40 year curriculum which won't get you even a Rs 10K job. Our ITI structure is a failure.

If you restrict quality education to IITs IIMs and few NITs and similar level medical and law colleges then this call for reservation will remain and keep making inroads in politics time to time.

This fight to grab the seats in Premier institutes and Govt Jobs will go on.​
 
SKC said:
Biggest issue is what was the need to bring this notification now?
People were expecting Govt to take any sort of action on Pakistan and the terrorist involved in the attack in Pahalgam.​
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I have always maintained that Modi 2.0 was tone deaf. Seems Modi 3.0 is behaving in a similar way.

SKC said:

Look at the whole ordeal yesterday:
AV came and spoke about the cast census barely manage to speak for 15 mins. This is something the govt should have done after 7-8 hours of debate in the Parliament.​
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They did not make a big deal out of it because that is exactly how they view it - way down their priority order. Like I wrote, a lollipop! This is also a great point, tbh - you can gauge their seriousness by noticing how they announce stuff!

Not one senior Minister (Ji, Shah, Ninda mama, Goyal, Tai) was present.

SKC said:

RaGa came prepared in press conference and spoke the same thing for over 1.5 hour. Look at his ego and confidence. He utilized the situation in his favor and spoke like a big leader.​
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The clown Prince is boastful even when he loses an election. Of course he will make a grand show out of it.

SKC said:

Just compare the two Press Conferences!

Does BJP ever look like they are in Power for over 10 years?​
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Yes, and they look tired and complacent, have run out of ideas and now throwing lollipops.
 
Sanatani said:
Better for UC to have just 1 kid and save enough money for him/her. Time has comes to follow 4 ashram of sanatan mentioned in our books and leave this fucking world after a certain age.
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If you can send 1-2 children out of country, do so.
Best suggestion for parents of general caste is ensure their kids get good education in STEM subjects.

If you are strong in STEM, there is whole world of opportunities waiting for you, both in India and outside.

There are many middle class general caste who went out of India and it led to the whole family economic outlook take a giant leap.

It always feels like it's bad now but the job scenario in India is significantly better for a GC than it was pre 2000 & it gets even better if you take a global outlook.
 
Prasad said:
Temple control is not something BJP introduced. You are going to abuse them for something they have not introduced? Ok, when you free temples, who gets them? Unlike churches, mosques and gurudwaras, each temple has it;s own history. Many temples run on hindu boards even as we speak.
As example, if we remove govt interference in TTD, who get's to over see it?
You think they are not working, they are. It is part of their agenda, you don't see it at a high decible right now because no one knows the answer to the question 'who gets the temples'?

BJP does not ask for dharam and asks jaat? Why not expand what you mean by this? I don't understand

Over promotion of certain castes over other castes is part of politics - exactly what do you want BJP to do? treat everyone equally even when they are not voting for them? They would lose support of castes who are supporting them if they do?
That's what you call Utopia, only a complete moron or a BJP hater would ever say something that stupid.

budget increase of SC/ST over defence? Well that's politics, what has it got to do with hindu cause? Aren't SC/ST's hindus?

Hindus were never declared monitory anywhere even before came into power in 2014. Legacy issue, not something they brought up. infact in J&K, there is no minorities act. For that to happen, it needs to have BJP in power. Every J&K govt uses this loop hole of J&K being the only state in India without a minority act to do what they do there. Agree with you that BJp should somehow bulldoze this.
Still, I would not shit them for an issue they did not create.

No protection for Kashmiri hindus? Unless one is on drugs you would see BJP is the best of all parties in this aspect.

Killing of their own party members in bengal? Why Bengal, even in Kerala BJP party wokers are killed. There is nothing BJP can do. Law & order is a state matter. This shit has gone on since independence and will go on until BJP gets to power in these states.

Lying to BJP cadre and hindus in bengal for votes and then abandoning them - BS, it's statement, I see BJP leaders on ground in WB working their asses off even risking their lives.

No stop in illegal immigration through nepal bangladesh and myanmar - Again BS argument. They have done much better than anyone on this matter. The only states you see actively doing anything on this is BJP.

YOU have failed to mention a single thing where hindus are worse NOW than they were in 2014.
And even the points you mentioned are either legacy issues or issues they can't do anything about.

Well, reply, I am happy to engage.
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Very well made points.
I think BJP and RSS should seriously start a conversation about minority designations. We should have a clear definition of what a minority is under Indian law.
Will it be based on numbers or percentage. Will it be district or state wise? We seriously need to have a strong conversation on minorities too.
It will be better if we solve this question together with census.
My take is any religion with >10% of population should not be a minority religion. It should specifically exclude greens.
 
laxman09 said:
Guys. No blue on blue please.

I don’t buy the IT cell logic that this is all some ultra chanakiyan deep strategy move to do NRC in disguise or sub categorisation of castes.

It’s a disaster of epic proportions cuz this feeds the fire of caste politics and proves to breaking India forces that jaati is how you divide bharatiya society. As we’ve seen from pappu’s presser y’day, their demands are just going to get shriller and shriller over the coming years and decades. Remove the cap, pvt sector quotas, quotas for OBCs in parliament, judiciary, military, wealth redistribution…. Basically equality of outcome instead of equal opportunities for all. Truly pulling desh into darkness.

And leader ji succumbed to this pressure. No other way to spin this.

Nobody’s answered my previous Q though. In light of the population jihad being waged against you, how do you convince your wimmens to make more babies? This is a real and present problem many of us senior memberaan are facing with no easy solutions. We also need to fix this structural issue if Hindus want to preserve themselves over the next 2-3 generations.

Let’s discuss solutions instead on vidhwa vilaap.
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Its the people who decide the course of govt. by their vote. It is a hard reality the vote still is cast on caste basis. How will you really explain "JAAT" who are patriots and nationalists, in Haryana rallying behind INC? The same jaats though were not hesistant to elect Jaat leaders from BJP though. A lot of BJP's jaat candidates won in Haryana.

Truth is India votes heavily on jatti lines. They become blind to even national and self interest and only vote for their jaati leaders. How will one explain the victory of INC in MH after Nanga Naach of Terror on Mumbai streets? How can they vote INC-SP when INC leader Digvijay was hand in gloves to blame it on RSS? All because of caste.


We are a society divided on caste lines. Reservation just ossified it. Its a hard reality. Why will not leaderji succumb to it? Remember how Bhagwat's loose tongue cost them Bihar election at that time? Why not just take a look at the recent LS 2024 elections? He ensured the construction of Ram Mandir. Still how did Ayodhyawasi paid him? They choose to vote for the party which fired at the Ram Bhagats. They choose the party which massacred Hindu devotees in cold blood.

So, Yes, Leaderji is right in doing caste census. I don't blame Modiji for it. I will infact blame him if he had not done it and lost the election. I don't want others in power. So, If Modiji need to keep them at bay with caste census, So be it. If he take some moralistic stand and loose election to gutter sadak chaap dacoits than i will blame him for abondoning us.
 
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