Indian Railways

[Gandaberunda]

when it comes to IR, it's not just about speed, it's also about density and congestion. so adding tracks at high density routes is also one of the things being done.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...k-seven-busy-routes/articleshow/104766737.cms

and this is not a new plan, below is an old response in LS.

https://eparlib.nic.in/bitstream/123456789/660711/1/15269.pdf

in practical terms, the solutions looks like this from gormint policy side.


View: https://youtu.be/Gk_FhUkbJzE

and since these is no feedback loop in public discourse, pretty sure no one will bother to check the impact a few years later, after these projects get completed.

What railway is doing is doubling/ quadrupling the legacy alignment or upgrading tracks to 130 kmph from 110 kmph. Railway has to ditch the idea of using the legacy circuitous alignments which has curves and gradients passing through major towns for speed travel and build geeenfield express alignment like NHAI’s National expressways for faster connectivity between two metropolitan cities bypassing tier 2 cities. Mumbai - Delhi - Kolkata - Chennai - Bengaluru - Mumbai express corridor at max speed 250 kmph and avg speed of 220 kmph will de congest a lot of traffic from existing infrastructure. Even bullet train being built has two many stops between Mumbai and Ahmedabad. Bullet train would be to expensive to afford for majority of citizens and we have to build an affordable semi high speed corridor to rely on. The existing 130-160 kmph infrastructure can cater to large extent of population covering major towns and then the greenfield corridor for faster transportation.

 

[haldilal]

 

[ezsasa]

What railway is doing is doubling/ quadrupling the legacy alignment or upgrading it to 130 kmph from 110 kmph. Railway has to ditch the legacy circuitous alignments which has curves and gradients passing through major towns and build geeenfield express alignment like NHAI’s National expressways for faster connectivity between to metropolitan cities. Even bullet train being built has two many stops between Mumbai and Ahmedabad.

so only metropolitan and major cities residents and goods should travel on those new tracks and trains , no one else.
Point A and point B, no one else in between. it does solve the problem of speed and time you are most worried about.

 

[Gandaberunda]

so only metropolitan and major cities residents and goods should travel on those new tracks and trains , no one else.
Point A and point B, no one else in between. it does solve the problem of speed and time you are most worried about.

Yeah you mean bullet trains also need stops to every town? Because they also wants to travel on the dedicated bullet train corridor?

 

[ezsasa]

Yeah you mean bullet trains also need stops to every town? Because they also wants to travel on the dedicated bullet train corridor?

you are setting the parameters of this problem statement from your earlier post. if you don't want the train to stop at "every town", it won't stop. and i am agreeing, with your solution.

 

[Azaad]

View: https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status/1898105439591842275?s=19


View: https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status/1898105532961243403?s=19

Ashwini Vaishnaw was associated with Siemens after he quit the IAS & before Modi invited him to join the cabinet .

Now I'm not insinuating anything but our infrastructure spending as far as IR goes is totally lopsided with no long term strategy as to what can we extract from F-OEMs with a view to build up our tech firms in this sector thru absorption of technology .

This was clearly seen in the case of Alstom being awarded the RRTS contract between Delhi & Meerut, where Train -18 was denied participation on grounds of experience in running such trains if you can believe it , while Alstom carried out plenty of modifications on an existing design from some other branch of Alstom in another location in order to qualify IIRC or so the report then went . Perhaps better informed members can weigh in.

If It not mistaken the contract for handling of this entire lime has also been given to a German company..

 

[ArjunMK1A]

View: https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status/1898105439591842275?s=19


View: https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status/1898105532961243403?s=19

Ashwini Vaishnaw was associated with Siemens after he quit the IAS & before Modi invited him to join the cabinet .

Now I'm not insinuating anything but our infrastructure spending as far as IR goes is totally lopsided with no long term strategy as to what can we extract from F-OEMs with a view to build up our tech firms in this sector thru absorption of technology .

This was clearly seen in the case of Alstom being awarded the RRTS contract between Delhi & Meerut, where Train -18 was denied participation on grounds of experience in running such trains if you can believe it , while Alstom carried out plenty of modifications on an existing design from some other branch of Alstom in another location in order to qualify IIRC or so the report then went . Perhaps better informed members can weigh in.

If It not mistaken the contract for handling of this entire lime has also been given to a German company..

Siemens contract goes back to then GE, Alstom and Siemens show. IR at that time allowed GE to build WDG-6 and Alstom for the WAP-12. Siemens were given a bone. After that we allowed Siemens to open another plant. This incident occured during former Rail Min time. During the same time Rail Loco factories came with multiple prototypes. But none of them went into serial production.

Since this is IR, especially in Passenger division these guys don't know anything to run.

 

[SKC]

View: https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status/1898105439591842275?s=19


View: https://twitter.com/Indrani1_Roy/status/1898105532961243403?s=19

Ashwini Vaishnaw was associated with Siemens after he quit the IAS & before Modi invited him to join the cabinet .

Now I'm not insinuating anything but our infrastructure spending as far as IR goes is totally lopsided with no long term strategy as to what can we extract from F-OEMs with a view to build up our tech firms in this sector thru absorption of technology .

This was clearly seen in the case of Alstom being awarded the RRTS contract between Delhi & Meerut, where Train -18 was denied participation on grounds of experience in running such trains if you can believe it , while Alstom carried out plenty of modifications on an existing design from some other branch of Alstom in another location in order to qualify IIRC or so the report then went . Perhaps better informed members can weigh in.

If It not mistaken the contract for handling of this entire lime has also been given to a German company..

Fresh designs vs upgradation or changes of existing ages old designs.

Also, companies like Siemens, GE will invest money, built latest upto world standard factories and work culture.​

 

[why so serious?]

Holi rush: Central Railway suspends platform ticket sales at six major Mumbai stations

09 March,2025 10:58 AM IST | Mumbai | Rajendra B. Aklekar


Extra crowds expected during Holi season to be contained in waiting areas, say officials

The Central Railway on Saturday said it is restricting the sale of platform tickets at six stations - Mumbai CSMT, Dadar, Kurla LTT, Thane and Kalyan Panvel - for a few days to avoid extra crowding during the Holi festival season. "In view of extra crowds on platforms due to the upcoming Holi festival, sale of platform tickets has been restricted from March 8 to 16 to avoid excessive crowding and any untoward incident," a senior CR official said.


At a high-level meeting on Friday headed by minister of railways Ashwini Vaishnaw on crowd control at stations, a number of key decisions were taken, including creation of permanent waiting areas outside stations at 60 stations across the country which periodically face heavy crowds. With the concept, crowd surge will be contained within the waiting area. Passengers will be allowed to go to platforms only when the trains arrive.


"There is also a plan of complete access control at these 60 identified stations where only passengers with confirmed reserved tickets only will be given direct access to the platforms and passengers without a ticket or on the waiting list will wait in the outside waiting area. Also, two new designs of 12-metre-wide (40 feet) and six-metre-wide (20 feet) standard FOB have been developed. Besides cameras for monitoring crowds, up-to-date digital communication equipment like walkie-talkies and calling systems will be installed at heavy crowd stations," a senior official said.

"The station director will get financial empowerment so that he can take on-the-spot decisions for improving the station. He will also be empowered to control the sale of tickets" the official added.

 

[hurrians]

GOI needs to follow mini-Airports model when it comes to railways.
1. Ticket counters outside
2. Allow only ticket holders inside
2a. In case minors and elderly need help to board, allow one person along with them. Link platform tickets to trains.
3. Link all tickets, including GC ones to trains. Sell only a certain amount of GC tickets.
4. Have separate platforms for local trains, de-linked to trains on long journeys
5. Every train station should have security constantly monitoring passengers in the station and checking their tickets.

We all need to remember, just because you sell 1000 tickets does not mean a train and train station can fit all of them. The physics will never work.
It will only end in disaster.
It's better for person or family miss the journey than risk lives.

It seems the powers that be read your post.

Railway Platform Access: Only Confirmed Ticket Holders Allowed at 60 Major Stations

Travel Update: Indian Railways restricts platform entry to confirmed ticket holders at 60 key stations to improve safety and reduce overcrowding.

www.deccanherald.com

 

[Azaad]

It seems the powers that be read your post.

Railway Platform Access: Only Confirmed Ticket Holders Allowed at 60 Major Stations

Travel Update: Indian Railways restricts platform entry to confirmed ticket holders at 60 key stations to improve safety and reduce overcrowding.

www.deccanherald.com

Hope they continue this forever especially in festive season or during summer vacation otherwise all too often these measures continue for 2-3 months then things revert till the next tragedy strikes.

 

[TopWatcher]

Hope they continue this forever especially in festive season or during summer vacation otherwise all too often these measures continue for 2-3 months then things revert till the next tragedy strikes.

How they implemented??

 

[crazywithmath]

Yes, everyone is reporting about it now:


View: https://x.com/Indian_Analyzer/status/1898212684484534575

Long term project - with some pilot runs announced at New Delhi, Patna Jn, KSR Bengaluru and a few other major stations. Will probably take over a decade to construct all the necessary infra (lounges, large no of waiting halls etc) across all the important stations.