Indian Small Arms and Weapons

[Noob]

Ugram with the push to ugram in recent months it seems like they are aiming for State police and CAPF Contract it's seems decent just replace the Handguard to an MLOK.

 

[VictorDelta4]

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Ugram with the push to ugram in recent months it seems like they are aiming for State police and CAPF Contract it's seems decent just replace the Handguard to an MLOK.

Keeping in mind the issue frontline troops are having with the MLOK handguard of the Sig since we barely have gloves on during OPs, this polymer handguard makes sense. A similar full length polymer handguard would be fine.

 

[Noob]

Keeping in mind the issue frontline troops are having with the MLOK handguard of the Sig since we barely have gloves on during OPs, this polymer handguard makes sense. A similar full length polymer handguard would be fine.

My counter would be that State police does not operate in that temprature so they should be absolutely fine with this. But full length polymer handguards will do just fine just replace these eye sores

 

[Ayan Barat]

If the target customers are state police and CAPF then it doesn't matter whether it has M-Lok or KeyMod or even PSO-1 rail. Because end of day they're not going to mount anything. If majority of frontline troops are still using iron sights and that too with the sights folded...what makes you think CAPF would ever bother to mount anything on their rifle!?

Also police and CAPF can never be a good target customers for .308s. Majority of CAPFs know nothing except AKs and state police (primarily SWAT) would find .308 too powerful and would rather procure handful of some Gucci foreign .223 rifles.

Leaving just few state police forces like in J&K or Manipur, where there's CI-CT ops as the only possible customer if army doesn't place orders.

And lastly, I don't think OFB has still bothered procuring the licence for M-Lok...so a full length aluminium or even polymer M-Lok handguard is bit of a far cry.

 

[VictorDelta4]

And lastly, I don't think OFB has still bothered procuring the licence for M-Lok...so a full length aluminium or even polymer M-Lok handguard is bit of a far cry.

Quad Rail/Keymod to the rescue. A basis quad rail with Magpul style polymer handguard would also do the job.

 

[KAB7777]

BEL Trinetra Multi-Purpose Reflex Sight mounted on a Bulgarian Arsenal AK and MP5 SMGs of Force One Commandos.

View: https://x.com/iasouthern/status/1826658802231631911?s=61&t=yuvGwS0cN0KJv4VlBwTZFg

 

[samsaptaka]

This whole unit purchase shit pisses me off so much just do one standard testing and standardise it

I too was of the same opinion bruh....but given the endless trial process of IA for any bulk order and corrupt gernails, lobby, MoD babus, with a whole clusterfk of a procurement system to boot, unit level purchases atleast ensure frontline fighting troops on the ground have "something". Sad state of affairs....

 

[samsaptaka]

View: https://mobile.x.com/wartrophy_414/status/1823971213485728065

View: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1824314773561020771

Kicks like a mule, No chance IA gonna select this, CAPF maybe...

 

[Noob]

Kicks like a mule, No chance IA gonna select this, CAPF maybe...

Indian Army is not looking for a 7.62X51mm so ofc it's not gonna get selected they are aiming for State police and CAPF Contracts

 

[Mr.Evil]

Indian Army is not looking for a 7.62X51mm so ofc it's not gonna get selected they are aiming for State police and CAPF Contracts

Why 7.62x51mm anyways so fkin heavy,shit ton of recoil

 

[Ayan Barat]

Why 7.62x51mm anyways so fkin heavy,shit ton of recoil

It was started when everyone was in "5.56 wimpy, 7.76 kills" frenzy.
Which we now know is a flawed observation.

But as like most of India's indigenous technologies...they were bit late to join the bandwagon. To be specific; they kind of perfected it after IA already ordered substantial SIG-716i.

 

[johny_baba]

since Ugram, which is ARDE 5.56mm Carbine enlarged in 7.62 NATO, is being discussed, some of my own suggestions about it from good ol' D F I

Ugram-R assault rifle in 7.62x39mm, to take on traditional Kalashnikovs here


Ugram Mk2, further modernised with lower receiver with SR-25 magazine well for commonality with SIG-716I mags here, also provided bolt hold open/release feature


Ugram Mk2A, now with picatiny rails for buttstock adapter to put on any kind of aftermarket buttstock on it, plus front iron sights removed off the gas block and now supplemented by front BUIS that flips down when not required

 

[Magadha Naresh]

since Ugram, which is ARDE 5.56mm Carbine enlarged in 7.62 NATO, is being discussed, some of my own suggestions about it from good ol' D F I

Ugram-R assault rifle in 7.62x39mm, to take on traditional Kalashnikovs here
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Ugram Mk2, further modernised with lower receiver with SR-25 magazine well for commonality with SIG-716I mags here, also provided bolt hold open/release feature
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Ugram Mk2A, now with picatiny rails for buttstock adapter to put on any kind of aftermarket buttstock on it, plus front iron sights removed off the gas block and now supplemented by front BUIS that flips down when not required
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Handguard should be changed , rifle looks too for a lack of better word , " bare " to me .

 

[Ayan Barat]

Modernized INSAS; some 7,000km from its birthplace.

Spoiler

SIG Sauer's new SG563 modernization prototype. An up-to-date assault rifle with ambidextrous control, M-Lok handguard, better grip and stock, all borrowed from SIG's MCX family...but retaining the original SIG Sauer 553 long stroke operating system, bolt and rock-n-lock magazine.

As INSAS, FN CAL and SG553 are sisters, this really shows the full potential to which it can be modernized.

 

[Mr.Evil]

SIG 716 G2 Designated Marksmen Rifle (DMR) with integrated top rail, Sig Sniper scope and Flash hider in service with NSG
Also in service with SG


View: https://t.me/LACarchives/313

 

[BlackViking]

@johny_baba does any of the full-length handguards for the AK have a provision to remove gas tube without the use of tools?

Also, do the AR15s have collapsible buttstock, in service with any forces?

 

[Ayan Barat]

does any of the full-length handguards for the AK have a provision to remove gas tube without the use of tools?

In AKs you have this compromise of easy disassembly vs handguard length.

If the handguard is short then you can remove it without any tools as it uses the existing metal clips and gas tube of AKs to attach. But as you increase the length, it starts to get wobbly and lose zero. That's why almost all of the longer length handguards (going beyond the gas block) uses screws to clamp securely.

Also, do the AR15s have collapsible buttstock, in service with any forces?

With the Model 607 in 1959 the collapsible buttstock became standard on almost all short barreled AR-15s.
So all of our M4s have them.

 

[Baseplate]

round indicator for a classic AK mag

 

[KAB7777]

View: https://x.com/kilo_spec/status/1828410751456792751?s=61&t=yuvGwS0cN0KJv4VlBwTZFg


Follow on Order for additional SIG-716 Rifles of MoD have been placed.

Indian Army Orders an Additional 73,000 SIG716 Rifles

www.sigsauer.com

 

[Mr.Evil]

View: https://x.com/kilo_spec/status/1828410751456792751?s=61&t=yuvGwS0cN0KJv4VlBwTZFg


View attachment 7786Follow on Order for additional SIG-716 Rifles of MoD have been placed.

Indian Army Orders an Additional 73,000 SIG716 Rifles

www.sigsauer.com

Bro what?why?are they even planning or just raw dogging the orders
We will have
5.56 INSAS. 7.62x39mm AK 203. 7.62x51mm Sig 716i

5.56 Negev. 7.62x51mm Negev
(Not including the variants of AK we already use in decent numbers)
Honourable Mention-They chose AK 203 because “Soldiers are more familiar with AK style rifle”but somehow they are repeating orders of an AR STYLE rifle?are the soldiers suddenly comfortable with it now?
Just gonna ignore the Logistics here and order whatever you want.
Again I can be wrong but this looks like a disaster cooking for future wars.