Indian Special Forces

[Airborne22]

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[lexCommando]

That's the point their will be no proper integration between the armed forces. There never was there never will be . The more I read about the intricacies of our past wars the more this becomes clear .

Marcos will word under the command of navy , so if army that would be in charge of defenses decided to do some stuff in Andaman or lakshwadeep it would be time consuming and problematic to get bavy in the loop then bring the marcos team and to plan and execute .
While if they have an army variant of marcos they can be tasked from army high command itself .

Isn't this the purpose of special forces command to eliminate this exact "time consuming and problematic loop of asking permissions from multiple high levels" in the first place?

 

[lexCommando]

@Arad Operator Ours? SF order or regular?

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1824777324924895714?t=ywa7Ar-tLsUuNwKewDRyMw&s=19

 

[Baseplate]

Isn't this the purpose of special forces command to eliminate this exact "time consuming and problematic loop of asking permissions from multiple high levels" in the first place?

Yes but I bet my sweet ass that even then problems will pop up .
Army will propose one op , navy will think the op is too risky and not really tactically important and they will refuse to send their men .
Now what to do ?

 

[RDXChauhan]

yup but atleast for MARCOS I can say they always "fought" at night, the only examples of them fighting in day time have been when they were operating with Army's RR
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What books/articles are these?
Please share

 

[Jedi Operator]

What books/articles are these?
Please share

citations....gallantry award website

back a few years from now it was so easy you just had to search the service and year and get the awards that's how I began to see for these...this I'm telling you from 2017-2018. Fir jab se ye abhi I dont how long but isko update kiya na, it lags so much. I have the names of these guys written somewhere in my notebook so I dont find it hard to search go through the website boss, you'll find

Some of them like Lt Cdr Kunal Saini was from Shiv Aroor's post. Then the rest about Nao Sena medals were Indian navy website

 

[darkindie]

I see this belief of people being against upsizing of special forces. I understand the reason put forward for it. This might work during no war scenario, but what would you do when you don't have enough sf when want them during a war or crisis?

 

[Mr.Evil]

I see this belief of people being against upsizing of special forces. I understand the reason put forward for it. This might work during no war scenario, but what would you do when you don't have enough sf when want them during a war or crisis?

SF’s entire system is based on the less the better the amount of damage 4 well trained and equipped SF squads can provide is outrageous it makes enemy lose their momentum when they are fighting with infantry upfront while SFs are destroying and sandwiching from behind that’s what SFs are supposed to do during wars hit their important assets and hit it hard

 

[lexCommando]

I see this belief of people being against upsizing of special forces. I understand the reason put forward for it. This might work during no war scenario, but what would you do when you don't have enough sf when want them during a war or crisis?

Brother SOF leads.. a proper SOF squad of half a dozen men can lead a 60-80 (proper) supporting infantry soldier and execute a well planned op. For example, during tora bora crisis, there were 2500-3000+ afghan eastern shura fighters againest 2000+ al qaeda and it's factions. The Afghani ES fighters were lead by 70 delta, 10 SAD, 10 5th Sfg, 52 SBS, and 10 KSK operators. The SOF element was even less than 1/15th of the total fighting force. Another example if you want a recent one is, how Ukrainian SF (barely 3-5 guys) lead over 100 mali rebels to ambush 80+ wagner mercenaries without any casualty. Perfect textbook special op literally

 

[darkindie]

SF’s entire system is based on the less the better the amount of damage 4 well trained and equipped SF squads can provide is outrageous it makes enemy lose their momentum when they are fighting with infantry upfront while SFs are destroying and sandwiching from behind that’s what SFs are supposed to do during wars hit their important assets and hit it hard

I meant to ask if we have enough sf to counter all the threats we are facing or will face in near future?

 

[Baseplate]

I meant to ask if we have enough sf to counter all the threats we are facing or will face in near future?

If they are well trained and equipped uniformly and are used properly, half of the current strength of Para SF will be enough.

While if they are not well equipped or are used irresponsibly in pointless endeavors even twice of current strength will not be enough.
Coz in modern times all it takes is for a 100 dollar fpv to hit your extraction vehicle to kill your team .

 

[Alby]

Like @Airborne22 said yesterday.. why use such complex weapon systems? Is an HK416 harder to get than a FN? If FN can lobby itself, then why can't HK? If scars can be ordered through 3rd party route via USA, then why not HK416s? I'm not saying HK416s are the best AR today, but in the times when these p90s and fs2000s were bought for SPG, SG, SFF, and other unknown units, i see no scenario where an HK416 would not had been better for their mandate in every possible way.

Hk416s are over gassed rifles bro..Not worth the money.US SFs can afford them as they have unlimited money but not a worthy option for SF like ours with likited budget.Many affordable yet reliable AR models are there which are viable for us than Hk416s

 

[darkindie]

Recently all para units got converted into SF unit right? So from an administration point of view we have a SF command for army right?

 

[Baseplate]

https://api.army.mil/e2/c/downloads/2023/01/19/31e03488/17-13-tactical-casualty-combat-care-handbook-v5-may-17-distro-a.pdf

A pretty solid medical care manual .

 

[Mr.Evil]

Ik this is not Indian SF related but watch this video it shows how important air support and vehicle mounted turrets are

View: https://youtu.be/Qf5-YzDixGo?si=cx8tT6HDElHy4C8Z

 

[Baseplate]

Hk416s are over gassed rifles bro..Not worth the money.US SFs can afford them as they have unlimited money but not a worthy option for SF like ours with likited budget.Many affordable yet reliable AR models are there which are viable for us than Hk416s

As KAC is too costly
I think a combo of DD guns will be good .
Mk18 - cqb sbr

DD M4A1 - standard issue

DD M4V7 - for LRRP type

DD 300Blk PDW- for sneaky shit .

 

[Jedi Operator]

Take a moment to admire the leadership qualities of this MARCOS ME 1 (mechanical engineer 1 - equivalent to rank of Lance Naik in Army) that he was able to calm the people down and rescue them. MARCOS also take part in dive rescue operations like US AF Pararescuemen, since Garuds are no where near to have the capability to rescue at sea.

 

[Baseplate]

Ik this is not Indian SF related but watch this video it shows how important air support and vehicle mounted turrets are

View: https://youtu.be/Qf5-YzDixGo?si=cx8tT6HDElHy4C8Z

Very vital in Ladakh and Kutch regions .

 

[Baseplate]

Take a moment to admire the leadership qualities of this MARCOS ME 1 (mechanical engineer 1 - equivalent to rank of Lance Naik in Army) that he was able to calm the people down and rescue them. MARCOS also take part in dive rescue operations like US AF Pararescuemen, since Garuds are no where near to have the capability to rescue at sea.



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Man they are good , very good

 

[Tier 1 Patriot]