Indian Special Forces

hunfrnc said:
Well, I don't recall the words verbatim, but it had something to do with small arms, their barrels, where/how they are made ( ans - not in India)... the COAS sounded pretty genuine.
And, it is not as if no Indian defense start-ups are getting orders.. they are.. albeit small ones... these SSS folks seem to be cry babies almost forcing the army to buy their products... &, I have not seen other defense pvt sector players hype themselves up like these sss guys.. that is why i don't feel sss are genuine.
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Well initially this might have been the case, but given all their recent factory tours, they are producing all parts including barrel here except optics - which they also plan to manufacture inhouse as part of future roadmap. I do remember SSS was not able to participate in very initial tenders because of initial DPP stipulation about only allowing companies with certain pedigree. Company has come a long way from there. Thats why I have more hope in SSS, astr than any other screwdrivergiri Companies opened under big banner.
 
Anants said:
Well initially this might have been the case, but given all their recent factory tours, they are producing all parts including barrel here except optics - which they also plan to manufacture inhouse as part of future roadmap. I do remember SSS was not able to participate in very initial tenders because of initial DPP stipulation about only allowing companies with certain pedigree. Company has come a long way from there. Thats why I have more hope in SSS, astr than any other screwdrivergiri Companies opened under big banner.
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I am all for proper indigenisation, & not screwdriver-giri, and do hope that sss have improved since that time, & that they get orders.. but, i won't trust them just based on their words in a paid video (apparently).
 
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abingdonboy said:
I hate to be repeating what many have been saying but really the only thing that will wake these people up is a real fight for survival. Ukrainians woke up post 2014 (Crimea) and hence weren’t such a pushover when 2022 came

The India military has too long been able to hide operational failures because the combat when it does happen has been limited to skirmishes or COIN

When these guys are facing an opposing peer force and combined arms assaults it’ll be a different story- frankly no Indian soldier serving has any such experience, all this bs about ‘battle hardened’ is rubbish- fighting goat fkers are not the measure of a conventional military, the Indian military has been able to set the bar so incredibly low they make anything other than a complete collapse to be an operational success.

Watch any of the basic training videos of the IA and you will see this is not a serious force, most of the training is downright goofy, the other irrelevant

Easy for me to say of course that a war is needed, it’ll cost a lot of good men with the hearts of lions their existences but their ‘leaders’ have already forfeited their lives
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I think both the GoI (not the era of war) and IA are hoping that our advantageous geo location with Himalayas on the north and open ocean on the south, with a militarily weak neighborhood (apart from china) as well as a large standing army ( quantity is a quality of its own) will serve as a deterrent to any peer enemy from attacking us. This may have been true for the last 50yrs, but newer tech, training and rapid progress of China will no longer guarantee that this approach may work. BD, Pak, Manipur etc...all show that we can and are being broken in unconventional ways and sadly our unconventional warfare units are way way behind in current modern spl warfare methods, equipment, training and thinking.....Unless rapid military reforms are implemented top down by GoI and shoved down IA's throat, things won't change, but for that you need a govt willing to bite the bullet, sadly the current one after a somewhat strong start has fizzled out into preaching shanti, buddha and mahatma BS
 
samsaptaka said:
I think both the GoI (not the era of war) and IA are hoping that our advantageous geo location with Himalayas on the north and open ocean on the south, with a militarily weak neighborhood (apart from china) as well as a large standing army ( quantity is a quality of its own) will serve as a deterrent to any peer enemy from attacking us. This may have been true for the last 50yrs, but newer tech, training and rapid progress of China will no longer guarantee that this approach may work. BD, Pak, Manipur etc...all show that we can and are being broken in unconventional ways and sadly our unconventional warfare units are way way behind in current modern spl warfare methods, equipment, training and thinking.....Unless rapid military reforms are implemented top down by GoI and shoved down IA's throat, things won't change, but for that you need a govt willing to bite the bullet, sadly the current one after a somewhat strong start has fizzled out into preaching shanti, buddha and mahatma BS
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The Himalayas will become a speed braker on a road and Indian ocean will be like a swimming pool.

The way chinese are upgrading i am really concerned if our nation will exist like it does now in 2075.

We have jumlebaaz who dont do anything and when they face the heat they invite their favourite camera crew to shoot their most recently equipped unit which was not part of a centralised induction.

Chaprigiri full on…Shoooshaaa pooora chahiye!!!
 
lexCommando said:
doesnt SF specialize in small team insertion? whats the point in using 2-3 dozen SF guys accompanied with probably same amount of rr troops in 2 different levels of cordons just to hunt 2-3 jihadis at best?? thats literally half platoon of their entire battalion
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That’s not how kashmir operations work. Usually majority of troops cordon off the area while a team of 6 goes in to hunt, this is for RR at least.

We need cordon because we don’t have air support
 
lexCommando said:
even hellfire is fed up with that fatass
View: https://x.com/hellfire_81/status/1883764788624564488
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Unironically feel like Hlelfire is the most balanced user I have met on this space, though he might lean slightly towards “jai ho” .same with aviator and rkhanna, who slightly lean the other way.

Guys like abingdonboy make the right message but express it to extreme, and then you have jai ho/army brats who are clowns all around.

Hellfire makes an excellent point, when he talks about civilians, he’s not talking about folks on this forum, he’s talking about the big brained ex farts on reddit who refer wikipedia as a source and don’t know jack shit of the IA’s accomplishment. He should probably do better job specifiying
 
I think the actual problem lies beyond ego. It is the fact that we look not beyond our own selves, bas jo hai vo hai kind of excuses wrapped in more carefully thought words. The "Goofy" or irrelevant training reflects poorly on the force's culture.

Combat against peer adversaries is the ultimate test of a military force. Limited skirmishes or asymmetric COIN (Counterinsurgency) operations are valuable but do not adequately prepare a force for the scale, intensity, and complexity of combined arms warfare.

The modern battlefield evolves rapidly. Forces that rely on outdated doctrines or equipment risk being outmaneuvered and overwhelmed. China’s advancements in AI, drones, and network-centric warfare highlight the need for urgent modernization.

And it's not that seasoned vetrans of IA have not spoken about this before, the Jai Ho gang keeps of barking
 
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