Indian Special Forces

[Baseplate]

Help me understand this - a very naive proposition coming from a noob:


View: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOv4gE-dhrTA6JXOaIuRJOWacAI_taHf8&si=t6pAIdk5vQrfgMBL

What if a Para captain/major watches this and tries to implement it in his own unit?

Will his ustaads/seniors let him? Or make fun/dismiss it altogether saying lol, internet se sikhake hume sikhayenge!

From a novice POV, I think they have a chance of improving their CQB by 15-20% if they learn wholeheartedly from this.

No dissing/satire on this one plz - looking for a reasonable answer to a genuine query.

@Airborne22 @Arad Operator @Baseplate @Noob (+ folks who've seen how units function upclose)

[Disclaimer: am a Noob giving Gyaan , don't take me seriously ]

Just watching from videos without instructor can generate a lot of training scars but taking some elements from vids and testing them out extensively with their own doctrines using simunitions and then incorporating them as per their own use case/scenarios is the way to go .

The thing is just by doing iterations with Sims and different tactics ,they will surely figure out something that will work for them .They might discover something even better .
They can create a team just to test such things and thus develop newer ways and training systems that can be passed on within .

 

[Baseplate]

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/2xctbAmldiM?si=7mp0aDPxYWpamd67

"Gear decisions are made for a reason "

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Help me understand this - a very naive proposition coming from a noob:


View: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOv4gE-dhrTA6JXOaIuRJOWacAI_taHf8&si=t6pAIdk5vQrfgMBL

What if a Para captain/major watches this and tries to implement it in his own unit?

Will his ustaads/seniors let him? Or make fun/dismiss it altogether saying lol, internet se sikhake hume sikhayenge!

From a novice POV, I think they have a chance of improving their CQB by 15-20% if they learn wholeheartedly from this.

No dissing/satire on this one plz - looking for a reasonable answer to a genuine query.

@Airborne22 @Arad Operator @Baseplate @Noob (+ folks who've seen how units function upclose)

A captain or Major is not a kid and no ustaad can make fun of him for anything..he is an officer after all and this is not US Army that jawans can taunt officers.

If an officer tries to implement something i think if he can give the right reasons for change in SOP he will be given the go ahead.

A good CO will also give him good ACR and mention that the officer is innovative etc.So he will get to do good courses and all coz not all officers are considered studious in Infantry or Para SF.

A bad CO and group of officers might make fun of him in officers mess and thats about it.I dont think there might be any repercussions.


Fun fact…Pampore incident both officers were trained by US instructors i think and they were given the go ahead for the very reason that the seniors believed that these officers were better trained than the rest.

 

[Alby]

knights armament ks1 (l403a1), mcq-prt supperessor, vortex optics razor gen3 (i believe) lpvo+aimpoint acro red dot. £10,000- 11,000 i.e. $12-13,000.

Does that thing cost that much?? The noveske rifle set ups of Gold squadron ST-6s costs less than that iirc.

 

[rkhanna]

Fun fact…Pampore incident both officers were trained by US instructors i think and they were given the go ahead for the very reason that the seniors believed that these officers were better trained than the rest.

What was the AAR of their individual performances?

 

[Mr.Evil]

What are the advantages of having the optics so far away…almost seeing them regularly in Indian Army.

Faster target acquisition
Increases fov
More room for accessories like magnifiers,nvgs,thermals etc
Less reticle disruption from parallax.
It also makes passive aiming with nvgs easier

 

[Mr.Evil]

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/zT2y168isKM?si=PZ3ylMbhr7PnLEUW

Defence Ministry to return Rs 12,500 crore unused funds amid procurement delays

The Centre allocated Rs 6,81,210 crore for the defence budget for 2025-26, up from last year's outlay of Rs 6,21,940 crore. However, the Defence Ministry is expected to return Rs 12,500 crore from its 2024-25 budget due to delays in the procurement process.

www.indiatoday.in

Cost of rifle -almost 10 lacs
Funds returned- 12500 crore

Size of Para SF ..approx 10,000

Do the maths!!

You are not supposed to equip all the 10k with a new or particularly this expensive rifle only the best units can get it in that too only the operators not the support staff by that the cost will be way less.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Faster target acquisition
Increases fov
More room for accessories like magnifiers,nvgs,thermals etc
Less reticle disruption from parallax.
It also makes passive aiming with nvgs easier

Havent seen much accessories with Para SF otherwise it would totally make sense.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

You are not supposed to equip all the 10k with a new or particularly this expensive rifle only the best units can get it in that too only the operators not the support staff by that the cost will be way less.

Ya i was just giving an idea…and this is just this years budget.

Ever since i was a kid and started reading newspapers i have mostly read the military returning unspent funds.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

What was the AAR of their individual performances?

What AAR? Haha

This is India Sirji..even Kargil war committee report is not fully implemented after 25 years.

 

[Mr.Evil]

Help me understand this - a very naive proposition coming from a noob:


View: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOv4gE-dhrTA6JXOaIuRJOWacAI_taHf8&si=t6pAIdk5vQrfgMBL

What if a Para captain/major watches this and tries to implement it in his own unit?

Will his ustaads/seniors let him? Or make fun/dismiss it altogether saying lol, internet se sikhake hume sikhayenge!

From a novice POV, I think they have a chance of improving their CQB by 15-20% if they learn wholeheartedly from this.

No dissing/satire on this one plz - looking for a reasonable answer to a genuine query.

@Airborne22 @Arad Operator @Baseplate @Noob (+ folks who've seen how units function upclose)

Para works differently from normal units they are the men who are eager to do shit like this and want to learn more afaik so the chances of this happening is low on top of that recently after col shivender is getting so much limelight with his knowledge and gear you will see that there is a shift in the kind of images you will see by the paras it will be more “fancy” looking and not that chapri one (just my assumption from seeing recent images of para )

Also I have heard from many officers that inside the units there are men who read books of foreign SOF operators try to learn their way and be the best (Col shivender also mentioned this) so I think there are operators who learn you just don’t see them doing it as the number is very low.

 

[Mr.Evil]

What was the AAR of their individual performances?

What AAR? Haha

This is India Sirji..even Kargil war committee report is not fully implemented after 25 years.

Afaik they would have gotten themselves into an investigation but nothing more than that.

Also this was not the only case after 2016 we have seen many such failures a recent operation (I will not name it) the commanding offcr on ground of non sf unit forced the operatives to rush into the operation leading to multiple casualties for that sf unit including some of the finest ones,again no responsibility.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Afaik they would have gotten themselves into an investigation but nothing more than that.

Also this was not the only case after 2016 we have seen many such failures a recent operation (I will not name it) the commanding offcr on ground of non sf unit forced the operatives to rush into the operation leading to multiple casualties for that sf unit including some of the finest ones,again no responsibility.

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You are absolutely right..I know which op you are talking about.

 

[Airborne22]

Para works differently from normal units they are the men who are eager to do shit like this and want to learn more afaik so the chances of this happening is low on top of that recently after col shivender is getting so much limelight with his knowledge and gear you will see that there is a shift in the kind of images you will see by the paras it will be more “fancy” looking and not that chapri one (just my assumption from seeing recent images of para )

Also I have heard from many officers that inside the units there are men who read books of foreign SOF operators try to learn their way and be the best (Col shivender also mentioned this) so I think there are operators who learn you just don’t see them doing it as the number is very low.

major arjun of 4 para SF also mentioned the same thing in his interview with military mantra, young officers are mostly like that. A lot of personal level tactics can be built by reading books and watching youtube, but changing the whole picture takes more i.e a total change in ecosystem. Brig. Shekhawat is one such officer who has actually done an exceptional job whose fruits para, marcos and garuds will bear.

 

[IWIarad11]

major arjun of 4 para SF also mentioned the same thing in his interview with military mantra, young officers are mostly like that. A lot of personal level tactics can be built by reading books and watching youtube, but changing the whole picture takes more i.e a total change in ecosystem. Brig. Shekhawat is one such officer who has actually done an exceptional job whose fruits para, marcos and garuds will bear.

+ col britto too ig.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

major arjun of 4 para SF also mentioned the same thing in his interview with military mantra, young officers are mostly like that. A lot of personal level tactics can be built by reading books and watching youtube, but changing the whole picture takes more i.e a total change in ecosystem. Brig. Shekhawat is one such officer who has actually done an exceptional job whose fruits para, marcos and garuds will bear.

Books and all are a part of grooming of every officer but the thing is everyone doesnt have the aptitude of reading and grasping and implementing.

Most officers are not nerdy and there are exceptions like Col Shivendra,Major Sapru and Brig Shekhawat.

So, such officers who read and learn IF given promotions can do wonders but everything has to pan out well.

Most people who become Generals are tortoise and not rabbit..and start really as a average joe.

 

[Airborne22]

Afaik they would have gotten themselves into an investigation but nothing more than that.

Also this was not the only case after 2016 we have seen many such failures a recent operation (I will not name it) the commanding offcr on ground of non sf unit forced the operatives to rush into the operation leading to multiple casualties for that sf unit including some of the finest ones,again no responsibility.

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cant imagine the bravery the teams showed here. Clearing a building ground-up with less than required men and material. Total apathy from the higher ups. Sent in a squad operating in the area without nothing, got capt kumar killed, then hastily called in a team operating somewhere else and asked them to clear the building in similiar way. Ln/Nk OP and Capt Mahajan's squad was clearing the insides of the building without the required number of demolition material and grenades for room entries, countless complex rooms aur pata nahie kya kya. This whole situation could have been avoided just by the usage of NSG and heptrs. They cared more about the political image than their highly competent men.

 

[Airborne22]

Most people who become Generals are tortoise

Many competent senior officers are sidelined amd are given posts like DG NCC etc.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

cant imagine the bravery the teams showed here. Clearing a building ground-up with less than required men and material. Total apathy from the higher ups. Sent in a squad operating in the area without nothing, got capt kumar killed, then hastily called in a team operating somewhere else and asked them to clear the building in similiar way. Ln/Nk OP and Capt Mahajan's squad was clearing the insides of the building without the required number of demolition material and grenades for room entries, countless complex rooms aur pata nahie kya kya. This whole situation could have been avoided just by the usage of NSG and heptrs. They cared more about the political image than their highly competent men.

Bhai political image nhi..NSG ko use nhi kia for two reasons in my opinion.

First is that Para SF had recently conducted surgical strikes and the Army was on a high.General had no idea on where to use which unit.

Second reason…yeh sale IPS force hum Army ko kya sikhayegi.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Many competent senior officers are sidelined amd are given posts like DG NCC etc.

You scared me coz such thing happened to one of my relative and i was like …yeh Jammu ka bhai mereko janta toh nhi.