Indian Special Forces

[Jedi Operator]

I mean were shit but.

British army Has 30k-35k soldiers in their infantry, out if which ~10k are reserve.
So 20,000-25,000 active infantry soldiers.

The royal marines in service with UK military are ~6000 soldiers.

And around ~2000 SF( teir 2, teir 1).


In comparison with India
Don't need to talk about our infantry number.


Para airborner~5000

As for SF
Para sf~5000-6000
Garud~1500-2000
Marcos~2000.

MARCOS are less than 1000, somewhere 700-800 roughly speaking
Also the numbers we have, the quality they do....let's be very clear....no one managed Indian millitary men better than the British. History is evident, from medivial era to napoleonic wars to current, Brits have the best institutions for training men in uniform they just do
They always make do with less in numbers dude...always and future of warfare is anything but a headbutting context with brute and numerical superiorty, so that advantage goes out of the window

 

[Jedi Operator]

What's pushing them to make an elite infantry unit go train for such high speed ops ? Or is this the company that's augmented to the SFSG ?

no
The Royal Marines are re-organized now, they have the future commando program
The Royal Marines can be considered like an arm within an arm cause they come under Royal Navy
But the 3 Commando Brigade is special operations capable....infact many UKSF will tell you that Royal Marines Mountain Leaders Course is tougher than UKSF Selection...physically....Royal Marine specialist units like Mountain Leaders, Snipers, Littrol stirke groups (3 commando brigade) are small and elite soilders.

Think of 42 commandos like Navy SEAL cum Force Recon minus the diving capability

 

[randombully]

Brits have the best institutions for training men in uniform they just do

Their institutions, training, tactic, doctrine, gear "evolved" with time and refined over and over again.

We on the other hand "stagnated" mostly

It's not about british, it's about evolution and constant improvement.

Same reason american infantry and SF are best trained in the world.

So we Don't need "british" style management.
We need the institutional mindset of constant improvement and aiming for the best
Something only the navy Marcos seems to take seriously as an institution in recent times.

Rest all branches work on "good enough" and "chalta hai" institutional mindset.


As for future of "warfare"
Numbers will Matter a lot, industry will matter a lot.

UK ain't close to our capability with 20-25k active infantry and 100+ tanks with only dozen active and few hundred other armoured( all types combined)vehicle and few hundred peices of artillary( all types combined).
Their logistic sucks, their industry sucks.
They can't even produce decent no. Of artillary shells for a war.

 

[RDXChauhan]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFPAqGD1Lz8

watch this vid , gives a very good idea about high terrain jungle warfare .

Fr just watching MACVSOG operations gives away so much knowledge

MACVSOGs were truly pioneers in jungle warfare
Take a look at these excerpts from MACVSOG's Journal
The writer nicely explained, how they specifically trained just before the mission, what did they learn and what did they do it negate it the next time


A lot of this is common knowledge these days but I would say in the 60s this was it when combat evolved

 

[IWIarad11]

Most engagements are in the range of 150m- 200m here nowadays. In this place shown in the video, there's no restrictions on firepower so there are RL and sniper buddy pairs attached to squads operating and then there are 40mm MGL. Regardless, a fixed power optic is always great to have. I hope this made some sense ?

Yeah, thanks

 

[Jedi Operator]

Their institutions, training, tactic, doctrine, gear "evolved" with time and refined over and over again.

We on the other hand "stagnated" mostly

It's not about british, it's about evolution and constant improvement.

Same reason american infantry and SF are best trained in the world.

So we Don't need "british" style management.
We need the institutional mindset of constant improvement and aiming for the best
Something only the navy Marcos seems to take seriously as an institution in recent times.

Rest all branches work on "good enough" and "chalta hai" institutional mindset.

Yes.....and it's not British style management, it's the fact that British military history leans toward practical, flexible solutions, not dogmatic textbook warfare. From Wellington in the Peninsular War to the SAS in North Africa, the Brits often prioritized fieldcraft, initiative, and survival over parade ground perfection.

The classic British colonial management style was, in fact, notorious for being rigid, classist, and overbureaucratic. But the fighting men in the field officers and NCOs often learned to ignore the management and get the job done anyway.

In battle, especially since WW2, effective British officers and NCOs were taught to take initiative when cut off, not wait for orders. That decentralized mindset is what modern militaries like the US have perfected now.

 

[Jedi Operator]

MACVSOGs were truly pioneers in jungle warfare
Take a look at these excerpts from MACVSOG's Journal
The writer nicely explained, how they specifically trained just before the mission, what did they learn and what did they do it negate it the next time
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A lot of this is common knowledge these days but I would say in the 60s this was it when combat evolved

MACV-SOG were the most badass operators ever fielded in modern warfare. While the British SAS had pioneered similar deep reconnaissance and unconventional warfare tactics during the Malayan Emergency and Borneo Confrontation, there’s a crucial difference: the Brits were largely preventive, aiming to control insurgency before it escalated. They played a long game hearts and minds, surgical ambushes, village sweeps.

MACV-SOG, on the other hand, was pre-emptive and ruthless. They went behind enemy lines not to contain, but to disrupt, destabilize, and destroy cutting the head off the snake before it bit. Their cross-border missions into Laos, Cambodia, and North Vietnam weren’t just about gathering intel. They were full-contact chess matches in the jungle, where six-man teams would willingly engage numerically superior forces, plant wiretaps on enemy communication lines, and call airstrikes on their own positions if overrun.

edit - Actually read this....very detailed and very well illustriated

 

[randombully]

British military history leans toward practical, flexible solutions

Limited to their "infantry and SF" Basically soldiers on ground.
Rest of their military and industry has seen a very pathetic decline.
Can't even maintain decent no. Of their mechanized infantry in active state.
Don't need to talk about other areas, it's even worse.

 

[Jedi Operator]

Limited to their "infantry and SF" Basically soldiers on ground.
Rest of their military and industry has seen a very pathetic decline.
Can't even maintain decent no. Of their mechanized infantry in active state.
Don't need to talk about other areas, it's even worse.

agreed

 

[VictorDelta4]

View: https://youtu.be/0RkuzzIHjKk?si=_z6UIz53Onnxt5uA

Same company whose PCs were seen w 3 Para during the joint ex w the Egyptians

Keeping everything aside, why the fuck do they have Wehrmacht Soldiers mixed with modern day SF in the intro at 0:04 Says a lot about the quality of their products I guess.

 

[TAVOUR 21]

View: https://youtu.be/0RkuzzIHjKk?si=_z6UIz53Onnxt5uA

Same company whose PCs were seen w 3 Para during the joint ex w the Egyptians

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[hkdas]

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XY7yXTYCzkE?feature=share

Really feels frustrated when instructors of India's top intervention force 'NSG' teaching wrong things to others... If NSG guy doesn't understand the mistake then what can we expect from others!!??.

 

[TAVOUR 21]

de oppresso liber

 

[IWIarad11]

11 Para. @Baseplate Spiritus Systems chest rig?

 

[armyofhind]

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Crye Precision crying in corner

 

[VictorDelta4]

11 Para. @Baseplate Spiritus Systems chest rig?

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Shoulder strap doesn't look like it. Looks like woven MOLLE like what AT uses.

 

[Baseplate]

11 Para. @Baseplate Spiritus Systems chest rig?

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Nope not spiritus afaik , maybe

https://www.amazon.in/condor-outdoor-Assault-Multicam-Tactical/dp/B00C2EMLAO

the thing is there are multiple almost similar looking rigs out there , maybe same manufacturer and just different branding