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Baseplate said:
He said a very true thing , elbow and knee pads are only good for show , you can't do actual ops with them on .
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Integrated one are still fine the one we use must be so irritating for the troops while conducting ops
 
armyofhind said:
To be fair, MMA/boxing/BJJ means jackshit when there's a blade or impact weapon involved.
You need combatives or Kali against it. Can't block a knife, or a bat swinging at your face.
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Firstly if you as a special forces operative are getting yourself into a situation of having to defend yourself against a knife....boss your SOPs need to be revised. You need to be a poor planner to get yourself into it. i have seen all the krag maga bullshit and their is more sensible advice from valhalla tactical as not to get yourself into these idiotic maneuvers. I've seen Kali being preached by ex SEAL Team Six guy Client Emerson

But C'mon man Kali is a good martial art but overhyped as fuck. If you really want to spend time and watch good analysis of knife defence here this is:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6faLygKH_k

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX36pjtgQqo&t=1767s
This is where I found the last one -
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSi4tbWQKZ0&t=379s
 
Mr.Evil said:
What does that mean?we are making copy of an Indian company?
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Airborne22 said:
I'm sure It's that old LBV + oliveplanet battlebelt Loadout. Check other posts of harifoxtrot for clarity. There's no way a certain unit is going out of the way to get a more expensive copy paste.
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lexCommando said:
Kya din agaye hai.. Ab homegrown indigenous company ki bhi copy banani pad rhi hai
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AT just reposted the post so it's AT rigs for sure now 😁
 
Jedi Operator said:
Firstly if you as a special forces operative are getting yourself into a situation of having to defend yourself against a knife....boss your SOPs need to be revised. You need to be a poor planner to get yourself into it. i have seen all the krag maga bullshit and their is more sensible advice from valhalla tactical as not to get yourself into these idiotic maneuvers. I've seen Kali being preached by ex SEAL Team Six guy Client Emerson

But C'mon man Kali is a good martial art but overhyped as fuck. If you really want to spend time and watch good analysis of knife defence here this is:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6faLygKH_k

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX36pjtgQqo&t=1767s
This is where I found the last one -
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSi4tbWQKZ0&t=379s
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This is a discussion that has been done to death on DFI.

As a special forces operative assaulter a house, you don't really know what's waiting round the corner inside always.. the inernal layouts cannot be known to the T, there will always be a sizeable element of uncertainty.

Inside of 21 feet, a man with a knife intent on killing you will get to you and stab you before you can say "oh fuck"


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y49rv3QBtkk

the time delay is much less if the distance is lesser... the typical room inside the house would be lesser than 21 feet.

In that moment, you can't be saying oh but I don't know how to fight unarmed against a knife/machete wielding attacker (coming from a direction where the gun isn't pointing), to free my weapon from the aggressor and bring him into a position where I can use my lethal tools.

This is why Combatives is taught to all special forces around the world, they know what they're doing.

Also, Kali, or more specifically Pekiti Tirsia, isn't overhyped.
I can tell you something from experience here, I've trained Pekiti and PFS/RAT for 7+ years.. have dabbled a bit in BJJ as well.
For the street, there is nothing better than Pekiti and PFS/RAT (a modernized version of the classical JKD), if you want to survive against multiple people with knives and other weapons.
As such, in the street, the best defense against a knife is to run away, fighting is only for when you cant... which is what the scenario is with a SF guy inside a house.. cant run away.

A knife is one of the only tools that can damage you both coming into you and going away from you. You cant block it.

And in general, a knife attacker will not stand still after one slash or stab.. it will be multiple ones coming in with full force.. all this joint lock/wrist lock, blocking shit from BJJ and MMA doesn't work in the street... and if he's got buddies, you keep rolling around with one and the others will come and finish the job.
If you roll around with BJJ with someone who has a knife, you will get serious wounds or die.

The same principles apply to Military CQB.. it has to be clean and efficient with minimal steps involved to finish the job.

What the guy is doing in one of the videos you shared is not really BJJ, it is Combatives.. isolating the weapon hand and breaking it (or atleast hyperextending) at the elbow - the same concept is the first one taught in Pekiti and PFS/RAT - defanging the snake.

This is one of those things that you can't get fully from watching videos.. I would suggest going out and training a bit to find out.
Under the stress of attack, your fine motor skills don't work.
You will not be able to go for wrist locks and intricate movements when the adrenaline is pumping. Only gross motor skills, and large, aggressive movements work.
And that is what is taught and perfected in Combatives... It's actually nothing more than a bunch of different street effective techniques from various martial arts put together into a syllabus of sorts.
 
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