Indian Special Forces

[Airborne22]

bro we needed to raise Adhoc units like Gen Bakshi's TSD because even after decades our capability in joint training and intellegence driven special operations was so limited, support ke naam pe our guys only have experience calling RR in Kashmir what more do you expect, even to that, TSD was unfairly treated

That's the problem of over-operating in homeland. Local appeasement (which does make sense to a particular extent) has lead to creation of insane SOP/TTP that most of the members here have figured out.

Bud there's plenty of things we show of ourselves too, vo bas duniya ko dikhane layak nehi hai

I was countering his statement that western sof are soooo secretive brooo they don't wanna showw off nothing brooo they don't put up shows broo, NO pr only work bro. Rest i don't care

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

because that is not our SOP. We dont train that way
Yes
here this out

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhPvoTmROE4&t=747s

Somehow it worked for him, cause he prooved the Isrealis and French defeating them in sharpshooting. Also that Isreal guy's theory on how rain affects bullet's path is pure BS. I've read a former DEVGRU sniper's book and he says the same thing what this MARCO chap is saying.
Here's a quote from Mob VI by Justin K Sheffield
"If it is a day full of precipitation, like the air is charged with moisture, your round is actually going to fly flatter, faster and farther, it's the opposite of what you'd think. If you shoot in the rain, rain drops aren't actually hitting the bullet. There's a cone of air that moves through and thus is less affected by air with moister."

As for the open-leg positon, my take is that our guys dont practice this cause they are not used to actually shooting high calibre rounds, most of our snipers are chambered with 7.62×54mm or 7.62×51mm, not the .50 cal intensive training imparted in the NATO countries. Again I dont know....the straight in line position looks stupid to me but that MARCO sniper got great success by it.

So in stress what happens is that with Indian desi position the feet moves due to stress..like in crunch situations we tighten our hand without realising.

Which does what is create a motion if the feet is tightened..exaggerated version is what some Indians do when sitting idle watching tv and moving feet which is considered unlucky as per superstition.

Which moves the hips and the spine.

Creating a unstable shooting position specially in a crunch situation.


If you take out that motion by flattening your feet..theres no motion to begin with.

Secondly the arm position is wrong too!

 

[Airborne22]

So in stress what happens is that with Indian desi position the feet moves due to stress..like in crunch situations we tighten our hand without realising.

Which does what is create a motion if the feet is tightened..exaggerated version is what some Indians do when sitting idle watching tv and moving feet which is considered unlucky as per superstition.

Which moves the hips and the spine.

Creating a unstable shooting position specially in a crunch situation.


If you take out that motion by flattening your feet..theres no motion to begin with.

Secondly the arm position is wrong too!

I get the rest of it, but arm position ?

 

[shade2]

The country that does the most (bilateral) joint exercises with the US in the world?


…..India

Yet you see 1940s infantry kit/tactics for infantry and ‘special forces’ running around with bandanas screaming COMMANDOOOOOO

what is it about Indian mentality/psyche that makes it so oblivious to intervention or even critique?

Online Indians are always benchmarking and declaring India ‘da best’ at XYZ but why is there not an actual interest in creating excellence? Poverty argument only gets you so far. SF units cost peanuts in the grand scheme of things to train and equip- if the Indian army can drop $1bn for 6 apaches then this argument is dead. It’s all about mentality. I genuinely have to wonder about the average IQ level of Indian SF/military that look at this in 2024/5 and are pleased:


View: https://x.com/ksingh_1469/status/1869841640111911060?s=46


View: https://x.com/jaywankhadejrw/status/1875542207408828649?s=46


View: https://x.com/ksingh_1469/status/1875110881543254177?s=46

FYI for as bad as you think things are they are ALWAYS worse, if you want to delude yourselves that kit is a secondary issue but these big brains with decades of ‘experience’ are somehow master tacticians:


View: https://x.com/ksingh_1469/status/1873735330379207058?s=46

offtopic but why don't you post here instead on Twitter?

I mean by now bashing Jernails is a bonding exercise for the whole forum

The bitching here also shows that their crime is not giving a shit about equipping and training their guys instead of just the usual Import Khori that they're associated with.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I get the rest of it, but arm position ?

No sniper hold can be seen..

Shoulders are being brought for adjustments that means theres no consistent position..adjustments are wrong.

Body cannot be in a tense position always..u need a relaxed natural position.

Think about it this way..you are driving a car and instead of adjusting your seat you decide to adjust your spine..how long can you be there??

 

[Jedi Operator]

@abingdonboy @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @Noob @Airborne22 @Nightshade1992 @DumbPilot

Lads check this out...
From one of my favourite SOF books of all time, this one is written by a guy who was the highest ranking enlisted service member of the SAS ever to tell his story....he served all throughout the 1970s-80s-90s retired in late 90s.

He served in B Squadron (Air troop) 22 SAS, Counter revolutionary warfare wing, Revolutionary warfare wing, MI6 (E Squadron) training the Mujhahadeen and fighting soviets as well as member of Brixmis (UK Spy unit in East Berlin)

Pardon me on the lighting, hope it's easily readible.







Take a look at how old school SAS resembelled our own problems faced by Para SF and how far ahead they've come. "low-tech, rather inward-looking, insular unit" and how bad it was for them.

Being promoted under the system of dead men;s hsoes, as a function of time served, instead of on merit. Time to serve was so bad, the author thought it was better to join the Police instead.

He talks about a few of the unit NCOs absolutely incapable of leading exercises, no internal command courses, and operational fuck ups.

Again like our 'bhagwan bharose' mindset, they had a few young guys using their initiative to save the day he says.

It took 20 years even for the SAS to change into something much much better. And the first step towards that was acceptance, which he showed. He also mentions how the Iranian Embassy Seige was just the biggest exception. The Falklands was a mishappening altogether, fighting against the IRA was a showdown - alot of bad things, oh the Bravo 2 Zero patrol !?

 

[Baseplate]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnwAO9ZWX2c

 

[IWIarad11]

@abingdonboy @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @Noob @Airborne22 @Nightshade1992 @DumbPilot

Lads check this out...
From one of my favourite SOF books of all time, this one is written by a guy who was the highest ranking enlisted service member of the SAS ever to tell his story....he served all throughout the 1970s-80s-90s retired in late 90s.

He served in B Squadron (Air troop) 22 SAS, Counter revolutionary warfare wing, Revolutionary warfare wing, MI6 (E Squadron) training the Mujhahadeen and fighting soviets as well as member of Brixmis (UK Spy unit in East Berlin)

Pardon me on the lighting, hope it's easily readible.

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Take a look at how old school SAS resembelled our own problems faced by Para SF and how far ahead they've come. "low-tech, rather inward-looking, insular unit" and how bad it was for them.

Being promoted under the system of dead men;s hsoes, as a function of time served, instead of on merit. Time to serve was so bad, the author thought it was better to join the Police instead.

He talks about a few of the unit NCOs absolutely incapable of leading exercises, no internal command courses, and operational fuck ups.

Again like our 'bhagwan bharose' mindset, they had a few young guys using their initiative to save the day he says.

It took 20 years even for the SAS to change into something much much better. And the first step towards that was acceptance, which he showed. He also mentions how the Iranian Embassy Seige was just the biggest exception. The Falklands was a mishappening altogether, fighting against the IRA was a showdown - alot of bad things, oh the Bravo 2 Zero patrol !?

Bro can you share your booklist from the same genre?

 

[aspirant847]

Easy

PAFF videos show the reality

but they don't really show anything

 

[KumaoniReborn]

Yet every time pakis go up against anyone including backwards tribals they get ripped apart. Maybe relatively they aren’t a walkover for Indian units but that doesn’t make them any way competent and building them up like this is why Indian leadership is always impotent to every aggression

+ would take 100,000 Israelis with their backs against the wall against 1,000,000 Indians after a govt job

They beat the Afghanis in 1962, had praise from USAF in the 70s as being competent pilots, etc. Nowadays they aren’t so competent but at least before 2015 they seemed to be pretty competent.

 

[abingdonboy]

They beat the Afghanis in 1962, had praise from USAF in the 70s as being competent pilots, etc. Nowadays they aren’t so competent but at least before 2015 they seemed to be pretty competent.

Not competent after 2015? They are fighting on 4-5 different fronts at any one time and given the restrictive ROE the world places on them they’ve wiped out multiple entire terror organisations . Did you see the pager plot? They’ve taken out multiple strategic assets of multiple enemies. India took out some trees in balakot? (I’m kidding I do believe they hit some soft terror hubs, big whoop)

By the way these are the super competent Pakistanis that make Indians shake:


View: https://x.com/tesladogs/status/1875265628250239217?s=46
Nuclear umbrella used as an excuse by Indian elites to keep out of Pakistani affairs or merely a red herring to ignore Indian weakness ?

 

[abingdonboy]

I was reading through all your answers and hard agreeing... And then you dropped this. I won't even counter this pointless statement again. Sure, our state is sad but you've successfully been blackpilled to death. And we can't save you.

Man who else wearing patkas and using walkie talkies on their chests does a DAYLIGHT PATROL TO CONTACT and then gets their entire squad wiped out by a handful of goat fkers carrying dried fruit and rusty AKs?

Blackpilled on these forums is just calling a spade a spade

A bunch of conscripted mommy’s boys are going to smoke them sooner rather than later


View: https://youtu.be/F9zatt1FBM4


View: https://youtu.be/7nySvraPycw


View: https://youtu.be/Gzpt2ob4scg

Indian big mouth veterans will call this all propaganda and their boys will stomp over them because of ‘Josh’ but tell me how Josh is going to help fire a pistol with a proper stance or see in the dark or hide their muzzle flashes?

 

[KumaoniReborn]

Not competent after 2015? They are fighting on 4-5 different fronts at any one time and given the restrictive ROE the world places on them they’ve wiped out multiple entire terror organisations . Did you see the pager plot? They’ve taken out multiple strategic assets of multiple enemies. India took out some trees in balakot? (I’m kidding I do believe they hit some soft terror hubs, big whoop)

By the way these are the super competent Pakistanis that make Indians shake:


View: https://x.com/tesladogs/status/1875265628250239217?s=46
Nuclear umbrella used as an excuse by Indian elites to keep out of Pakistani affairs or merely a red herring to ignore Indian weakness ?

India also has wiped out numerous terror organizations as well, both in Kashmir and Northeast, and they have done it with far less resources too. Plus the CRPFs reformation in the Naxal crisis, acknowledged by yourself, is absolutely admirable.

Pakistanis started losing their competence back in the 2000s lol. They once had 270 soldiers surrender at once without. single shot fired in 2007.

Also, Nuclear Umbrella is used as a red herring because India doesn’t attend to attack pakistan and believes in peace + don’t attack first policy.


Probably why the Upper brass selection system is rotten

 

[abingdonboy]

India also has wiped out numerous terror organizations as well, both in Kashmir and Northeast, and they have done it with far less resources too. Plus the CRPFs reformation in the Naxal crisis, acknowledged by yourself, is absolutely admirable.

Pakistanis started losing their competence back in the 2000s lol. They once had 270 soldiers surrender at once without. single shot fired in 2007.

Also, Nuclear Umbrella is used as a red herring because India doesn’t attend to attack pakistan and believes in peace + don’t attack first policy.


Probably why the Upper brass selection system is rotten

Show me the terror ground India has defeated that were as militarily capable as Hamas and hezbollah- hezbollah has one of the largest missile and rocket stockpiles on the planet

Some malnourished tribals and goat fking jihadis in sandals are hardly the same as what the IDF have successfully wiped out

 

[abingdonboy]

@abingdonboy @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @Noob @Airborne22 @Nightshade1992 @DumbPilot

Lads check this out...
From one of my favourite SOF books of all time, this one is written by a guy who was the highest ranking enlisted service member of the SAS ever to tell his story....he served all throughout the 1970s-80s-90s retired in late 90s.

He served in B Squadron (Air troop) 22 SAS, Counter revolutionary warfare wing, Revolutionary warfare wing, MI6 (E Squadron) training the Mujhahadeen and fighting soviets as well as member of Brixmis (UK Spy unit in East Berlin)

Pardon me on the lighting, hope it's easily readible.

View attachment 20694


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Take a look at how old school SAS resembelled our own problems faced by Para SF and how far ahead they've come. "low-tech, rather inward-looking, insular unit" and how bad it was for them.

Being promoted under the system of dead men;s hsoes, as a function of time served, instead of on merit. Time to serve was so bad, the author thought it was better to join the Police instead.

He talks about a few of the unit NCOs absolutely incapable of leading exercises, no internal command courses, and operational fuck ups.

Again like our 'bhagwan bharose' mindset, they had a few young guys using their initiative to save the day he says.

It took 20 years even for the SAS to change into something much much better. And the first step towards that was acceptance, which he showed. He also mentions how the Iranian Embassy Seige was just the biggest exception. The Falklands was a mishappening altogether, fighting against the IRA was a showdown - alot of bad things, oh the Bravo 2 Zero patrol !?

I don’t think it can be overstated how inept and rotten the top of the tree is in the Indian armed forces and particularly the army


View: https://x.com/ksingh_1469/status/1875691912633741465?s=46


View: https://x.com/ksingh_1469/status/1875693795213504582?s=46

From these fruits you cannot expect anything remotely competent to ever grow

@COLDHEARTED AVIATOR insert improvised tractor missile carrier here

 

[KumaoniReborn]

Show me the terror ground India has defeated that were as militarily capable as Hamas and hezbollah- hezbollah has one of the largest missile and rocket stockpiles on the planet

Some malnourished tribals and goat fking jihadis in sandals are hardly the same as what the IDF have successfully wiped out

IDF has wiped out Hamas? Roflmao. Yeah i mean it’s not so hard when your little fake state (formed from literal compensation after the most humiliating genocide ever faced) gets all of uncle sam’s blessings and resources. Not to mention it took them 20 years to do so which is extremely laughable. Keep hyping them up tho xD. Legit the only reason these hooked nose beasts are able to do what they do is because of MY BLOODY MONEY as an american tax paying citizen. All the damn taxpayer money goes to these potbellied kikes (while btw hundreds of thousands people become homeless after hurricanes in america). Same reason Ukraine wasn’t annihilated in minutes by russia. People like me are the reason these little third world shitholes can accomplish what they do in the middle east.

Btw, Harkat group in kashmir which was direct wing of the Taliban and was filled to the brim with soviet afghan war veterans was wiped out in the 2000s completely. Definitely not on par with Hamas or Hezbollah, but then again, look at the resources used by the indians in kashmir and you’ll see that pound for pound, while its not as impressive as israel’s recent success, it’s definitely a good accomplishment from a soldiering perspective. Not to mention many of the older insurgents came with heavy artillery pieces and ATGM

Also, I was talking about the Pakistanis not being competent after 2015, i bolded israelis on accident. Pakistanis are the ones who lost all their competency after introducing religious fundamentalism in their ranks.

 

[RDXChauhan]

He is writing another book?
Wow crazy

Exactly bhai. Am waiting for his 4th book eagerly! He should be the brand ambassador of SF in India. 1 Para is a breed apart.

 

[Jedi Operator]

Bro can you share your booklist from the same genre?

sure I have before in the old forum, but here you go

to understand SF read
- Delta Force by Charles Beckwith (as most of the book is about him fighting the brass on the concept of Delta)
- India's Special Forces by Lt Gen PC Katoch

to see what SF are capable of, read
- Relentless Strike by Sean Naylor
- SEAL Target Geronimo by Chuck Pfarrer

to see day-to-day life and time of an individual in SF doing all these crazy things and what they think, the various personalities there and an absolutely well written memoir read
- Warrior Soul by Chuck Pfarrer
- Brothers of the Cloth by George Hand

to see how SF strategize and think about things
- Common Sense way by Pete Blaber
- The Mission, the Men and Me by Pete Blaber
- SEAL Target Geronimo again
- Rogue Warrior Strategies for Success by Richard Marcinko

Other Balzy reads
- Zero Footprint by Simon Chase (ex SBS)
- Combat Swimmer by Bob Gormely
- Soilder - 'I' by Pete Winner
- The Shooting Gallery by Gaz Hunter (this is the one I shared with you lads)
- All Major Sapru Books (three books written by Major Sapru, read all of them)
- India's most fearless 1 & 2 (best ones so far, discuss some amazing SF operations)
- Fearless: Adam Brown by Eric Demn
- Killing Che by Chuck Pfarrer
- No Easy Day
- No Hero
- Operator by Rob O'Neil (hate that guy....but if you want to see progression of DEVGRU tactics in GWOT read it
- Zero Six Bravo
- Zero Footprint
- First into Action

and there are more but any one from these is cool enough

 

[Jedi Operator]

I don’t think it can be overstated how inept and rotten the top of the tree is in the Indian armed forces and particularly the army


View: https://x.com/ksingh_1469/status/1875691912633741465?s=46


View: https://x.com/ksingh_1469/status/1875693795213504582?s=46

From these fruits you cannot expect anything remotely competent to ever grow

@COLDHEARTED AVIATOR insert improvised tractor missile carrier here

I agree man, the Army is the same WW2 one, culturally speaking. The Indian army is at best a peacekeeping fauj, what little capabilities we showed in 1971, 1988 (Maldives), we are'nt 10% of that currently. Our wake calls are a big embarrasment, dont think these small ones you see in exercises when the guy cant shoot properly are going to do much harm. Defence related discussions are growing in this country but you have these privillaged brats who take it to their ego alot. Retards tbh

 

[@elite_warriors26]