Indo-China Border & LAC

[Suryavanshi]

Use this thread to Discuss the current happening along Indo-China LAC and IB. Members are requested to keep the discussion civil and adher to the forum Rules.

 

[SKC]

All news and updates on India China Conflict at IB and LAC - Line of Actual Control.

 

[jaijaganath]

 

[mist_consecutive]

So my dear folks, who can tell me what's interesting in the below picture ?

 

[bakofbakchod]

So my dear folks, who can tell me what's interesting in the below picture ?

PLA camo with IA pants? Is this real?

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

So my dear folks, who can tell me what's interesting in the below picture ?

War trophy (unlikely) or made for SF/SFF for clandestine ops

 

[mist_consecutive]

PLA camo with IA pants? Is this real?

War trophy (unlikely) or made for SF/SFF for clandestine ops

YES ! This is (probably the first public) Chinese war trophy of 9 PARA SF, likely from Op Snow Leopard Ops when we kicked Chinese asses.

For reference -

 

[Mr.Evil]

So my dear folks, who can tell me what's interesting in the below picture ?

God dayumm bro flexing them gifts from happy golgappe customers

 

[Mr.Evil]

YES ! This is (probably the first public) Chinese war trophy of 9 PARA SF, likely from Op Snow Leopard Ops when we kicked Chinese asses.

For reference -

Bhaiya second one is SSG camo if iam not wrong or am I just dreaming?

 

[RDXChauhan]

I know nothing about India China issue except basic post 1947 history.
Had a general newbie question, if by chance a big offensive is launched by china which translates into war, will India be steamrolled or we will hold and possibly give back
Asking in a long term scenario?

 

[mist_consecutive]

I know nothing about India China issue except basic post 1947 history.
Had a general newbie question, if by chance a big offensive is launched by china which translates into war, will India be steamrolled or we will hold and possibly give back
Asking in a long term scenario?

At some local areas they will steamroll (DBO, remote Arunachal valleys), and in some areas we will steamroll (Himachal, Sikkim).

In the long run, it will be a meat grinder, favouring India, simply because we have more military-aged men ready to serve the country willingly, unlike China. But then we are talking about WW2-level drafting and casaulties which the world has never seen before.

 

[Seams]

At some local areas they will steamroll (DBO, remote Arunachal valleys), and in some areas we will steamroll (Himachal, Sikkim).

In the long run, it will be a meat grinder, favouring India, simply because we have more military-aged men ready to serve the country willingly, unlike China. But then we are talking about WW2-level drafting and casaulties which the world has never seen before.

What role do you think armour will play in such a conflict? Terrain is largely unsuitable for mechanized operations?

 

[Hari Sud]

China and India …… Is there a thaw possible

If you read the newspapers then you will remember that there is possibility of thaw in Xi handshake. He is not doing it for fun, rather he is sending a message.

First the Chinese are under pressure politically that they talk too much about Taiwan capture but are unable to do so. Second, Covid of 2020/23 did a job on Chinese and their economy suffered and American and European businesses are trying to relocate. Third, it is donning on China that the third class copied and reverse engineered military hardware they have to fight is no match for confrontation with America. Fourth, this confrontation will deal an economic death blow to their export economy. Hence they want to intimidate but not fight.

As for India, first the Indian economy is growing fast enough to build confidence in the nation to stand up and be counted. Second, the Americans (Biden) betrayed India by not making progress on QUAD, rather loosing interest in it completely. India wished to depend on QUAD as a security guarantee if Chinese got aggressive. Third, India has built up its security forces to a level where cake walk by China or its ally Pakistan is not possible. Fourth, a lot of businesses from China is relocating and India is definitely a favoured choice.

With all this in mind; India is well placed to let Chinese know that they cannot simply intimidate India with poor quality numbers as India possessing equal numbers but of better quality.

Hence, if there is thaw in India - China relations then it us inn equal terms.

Go ahead and read the following media report:

Is there going to be an India-China deal?

Could there be an Indian effort to see whether a more stable dynamic with China is possible? Modi could try—as he did in 2014, 2018 and 2019.

www.brookings.edu

 

[mist_consecutive]

What role do you think armour will play in such a conflict? Terrain is largely unsuitable for mechanized operations?

A pivotal role in Ladakh & Sikkim sector.

For example, terrain in Ladakh looks like this -

Terrain in Sikkim looks like this -

Massive flat valleys surrounded by gentle-sloped mountains.

 

[Zoid Raptor]

PLA logistics forces constructing oil supply pipelines near the Indian border using passive exoskeletons​

QBZ-191 With Aftermarket Buttstock And Handguard

 

[Airborne22]

Bhaiya second one is SSG camo if iam not wrong or am I just dreaming?

The camo pattern definitely is a paki one. Crazy how OP got hold of a pic of RB sir.

 

[Samej Jangir]

I know nothing about India China issue except basic post 1947 history.
Had a general newbie question, if by chance a big offensive is launched by china which translates into war, will India be steamrolled or we will hold and possibly give back
Asking in a long term scenario?

There is no real substance for India-China enmity. In 1962, Nehru was acting like a CIA agent, hosting CIA planes & setting up Tibet government in exile which made China angry.

U.S. planes used Indian airbase to snoop on China

India News:U.S. planes used Indian airbase to snoop on China

www.thehindu.com

If it was just about helping, India could have given refuge to Tibetans but Nehru went one step further to set up Tibet govt in exile. To make things worse, Nehru pursued a forward policy seeing Chinese problems with Tibet which finally made China react. Although Nehru was unelected leader installed by UK, it was Indians fault to be completely stupid and accept him as authority. Blaming China is simply being unreasonable and arbitrary. How would India act if China sets up Kashmiri govt in exile? This is also why Vajpayee govt accepted Chinese control of Tibet and ended the annoyance.

As for 2020 clashes, it was not armed clashes but with sticks and stones and unlikely to be commanded by either of the leadership (no one will command their soldiers to fight with sticks). Also, India was trying to settle border dispute by sneakily trying to conquer additional peaks rather than China trying to conquer inch by inch, although this time it was not at the behest of CIA but just to secure the borders as the borders is closer to Indian population centre than Chinese. This is also why neither China nor India publish any info nor made any statement on the actual background of the clashes and it was all just media hype.

The complexity in India-China relationship arises because of strategic interest on Pakistan & middle east, mainly for the oil needs. India does not like anyone helping pakistan but China has no other way of getting its oil interests secured. India is wary of China getting too close to Pakistan & middle east to get major hold of oil supply and replace USA which will act as a continued external interference to Indian affairs with just the external agent switched from USA to China.

India-China has no cultural enmity as both are ancient civilisations and have been commonly harmed by the west. India is currently following a policy of neutrality with China. This is also why India refused to host Uighur separatists or support Hong Kong protests- both were western sponsored & India wanted no part in it. But India does not want China to be the next superpower by replacing USA's dominance in middle east but instead wants a multipolar world. Hence India won't ally with China either. This is why Jaishankar termed relation with China as "complex". It is not rivalry, enmity but simply greater geopolitical game taht transcends bilateral relations.

So, coming to war scenarios, China is no real threat to India. Indian 2 fronts are Pakistan & Bangladesh, not China. BD is small but its people have massive hatred against India and is an easy target for foreign agencies to set up anti-India sentiments. However, India uses China's name as a dummy target to justify defence developments and procurements as one can't really use weaklings like Pakistan or BD to build up major capabilities. But its is just a ploy/hype rather than real threat.

 

[Azaad]

Another sterling example of a Chinese nationalist in India. Of course the reasoning offered is likely the result of being born thru the rectum & dropped on the head immediately after birth. It's just another reason Chinese nationalists in India fail at propaganda . It's too low IQ to be considered credible

 

[RDXChauhan]

There is no real substance for India-China enmity. In 1962, Nehru was acting like a CIA agent, hosting CIA planes & setting up Tibet government in exile which made China angry.

U.S. planes used Indian airbase to snoop on China

India News:U.S. planes used Indian airbase to snoop on China

www.thehindu.com

If it was just about helping, India could have given refuge to Tibetans but Nehru went one step further to set up Tibet govt in exile. To make things worse, Nehru pursued a forward policy seeing Chinese problems with Tibet which finally made China react. Although Nehru was unelected leader installed by UK, it was Indians fault to be completely stupid and accept him as authority. Blaming China is simply being unreasonable and arbitrary. How would India act if China sets up Kashmiri govt in exile? This is also why Vajpayee govt accepted Chinese control of Tibet and ended the annoyance.

As for 2020 clashes, it was not armed clashes but with sticks and stones and unlikely to be commanded by either of the leadership (no one will command their soldiers to fight with sticks). Also, India was trying to settle border dispute by sneakily trying to conquer additional peaks rather than China trying to conquer inch by inch, although this time it was not at the behest of CIA but just to secure the borders as the borders is closer to Indian population centre than Chinese. This is also why neither China nor India publish any info nor made any statement on the actual background of the clashes and it was all just media hype.

The complexity in India-China relationship arises because of strategic interest on Pakistan & middle east, mainly for the oil needs. India does not like anyone helping pakistan but China has no other way of getting its oil interests secured. India is wary of China getting too close to Pakistan & middle east to get major hold of oil supply and replace USA which will act as a continued external interference to Indian affairs with just the external agent switched from USA to China.

India-China has no cultural enmity as both are ancient civilisations and have been commonly harmed by the west. India is currently following a policy of neutrality with China. This is also why India refused to host Uighur separatists or support Hong Kong protests- both were western sponsored & India wanted no part in it. But India does not want China to be the next superpower by replacing USA's dominance in middle east but instead wants a multipolar world. Hence India won't ally with China either. This is why Jaishankar termed relation with China as "complex". It is not rivalry, enmity but simply greater geopolitical game taht transcends bilateral relations.

So, coming to war scenarios, China is no real threat to India. Indian 2 fronts are Pakistan & Bangladesh, not China. BD is small but its people have massive hatred against India and is an easy target for foreign agencies to set up anti-India sentiments. However, India uses China's name as a dummy target to justify defence developments and procurements as one can't really use weaklings like Pakistan or BD to build up major capabilities. But its is just a ploy/hype rather than real threat.

Yeah we should shut down the entire Eastern command
What an answer bro, I am surprised you didn't call 2020 clashes a BJP ploy

 

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