Indo-China Border & LAC

They encroached into our land. The newly agreed disengagement is both would be pulling a few kms back, i.e., China will be going back to their pre-held position while we'd be disengaging from our originally held position

I doubt that.

The most likely scenario is that they grabbed some, we grabbed some. Both sides have deepely encroached upon each-other's claim lines. There is no other explanation behind the re-conciliatory tone from the CCP/PLA.

India's demand is "complete restoration of the pre-April 2020 status" along the LAC. The opposition will chew the government up in case of a unilateral concession.
 

Maybe all of the news of normalcy was a test balloon to gauge the mood of aam janatha, wether they have forgotten the statement - page can't be turned without normalcy at border and resolution of so called legacy issues.
All this disengagement talk in 4 places isnt just old chinese wine in new bottle.. Pangong Tso, Galwan, Gogra and Hot Springs disengagement happen in 2021 ? Anything new here ?
 
Sir isn't pp-15= hot spring

I also think so, but recently I am seeing veterans and few maps mentioning PP17 as hot springs. I think hot springs are present at both areas and people call it whatever they like. Better to call them by Patrol Point (PP) terminology.

All this disengagement talk in 4 places isnt just old chinese wine in new bottle.. Pangong Tso, Galwan, Gogra and Hot Springs disengagement happen in 2021 ? Anything new here ?

Nothing new unfortunately.
 
You are underestimating them.
Know this it is the same country which got industrialised in 30-40 yrs. you can be sure of it that CCP will use whatever resources and policy to avoid population decline beyond critical no.

Even their population is declined they don’t have much of internal problem and have taken good care of “future problem” that is ugyur and all.
Absolutely! How difficult is it for them to switch from 1 child policy and enforce a 3 child policy , esp. since they can use any and all means necessary unlike democrazies like us.
 
"Today’s “disputed” border is with an occupied country, namely Tibet"



"In fact, the border discussed by Wang Yi and Ajit Doval is hermetically closed, even the centuries-old trade exchanges between the Indian Himalayas and Tibet have stopped; ditto for for the Kailash-Manasarovar Yatra which is not accessible for Indian devotees."

There is a near total silence about this closure from right wing persons/party/group . Contrast this with what will happen when places of religious significance of other religious groups are closed.
 
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"India is unwilling to bend, refusing to accept Chinese suggestions of sidelining the incursion while enhancing ties."

-recent news report at least contradict this statement .

 
Impractical. You can’t force people to make babies.
You don't know nothing about chinkaland ? If they can reverse brainwash sullahs, sure they can force people to have more babies, they will use chemicals, stimulants etc.....never discount the CCP and their willingness to use foul methods
 
The quoted tweet. Pretty damning indictment . Something I'm veering around to accepting grudgingly.


View: https://twitter.com/hukum2082/status/1836789429312315753?s=19

This sad and concerning knowing how we are surrounded by enemies,I will also blame MoD here their job is to monitor what the forces are doing if they are not holding people accountable for these fuck ups then they are responsible as the any brass or babu,you have a RM which knows slim to nothing about defence and is dependent totally upon babus for his guidance.
We can still fix this only if we take accountability otherwise be ready to lose all our past glory by winning multiple wars.
 
You don't know nothing about chinkaland ? If they can reverse brainwash sullahs, sure they can force people to have more babies, they will use chemicals, stimulants etc.....never discount the CCP and their willingness to use foul methods

+10000 social credits per baby , very possible with the social credit system they are building
 
Some want to kiss and make up with the cheeni
.they are the ones (among many others) blocking Indian unsc permanent seat ,nsg membership
.propping up Pakistan militarily
.interfering in traditional Indian sphere of influence in the neighborhood
.blocking access to Kailash Mansarovar
.salami slicing border regions
.claiming populated Indian territories

Russia arms China heavily, US and west provides China with Industrial know how.

So we are on our own , all talk of 75% solution and turning the page is succumbing to baniyagiri (business aka trade) so that screwdrivergiri can continue and flourish.
 
"Two days after the Galwan border clashes in June 2020, Jaishankar had laid down the line that “peace and tranquillity on the borders is essential” for re-commencement of bilateral relations. This line became a “whole-of-government” approach that Home, Defence, Finance and others have followed so far.

However, despite concerted efforts, it has not become a “whole-of-society” approach -- the business communities stepped up importing large amounts of goods from China, and India’s big industrial houses wanted to import “disciplined” workers from China"


The author is understimating GOI , if it really wanted it could have forced trade to decrease year on year after 2020, but then unfortunately it seems surgical strike on apps was a feint to "turn the page" four years later.
 
If not for Raul Babas khatakhat schemes and appeasement politics along with tendency to speak ill on foreign soil , things jairam ramesh said would have kept the govt in a tight spot.


 
"Two days after the Galwan border clashes in June 2020, Jaishankar had laid down the line that “peace and tranquillity on the borders is essential” for re-commencement of bilateral relations. This line became a “whole-of-government” approach that Home, Defence, Finance and others have followed so far.

However, despite concerted efforts, it has not become a “whole-of-society” approach -- the business communities stepped up importing large amounts of goods from China, and India’s big industrial houses wanted to import “disciplined” workers from China"


The author is understimating GOI , if it really wanted it could have forced trade to decrease year on year after 2020, but then unfortunately it seems surgical strike on apps was a feint to "turn the page" four years later.
Instead of binaries why don't you view this as pragmatism in the face on increasingly volatile neighborhood especially the US's renewed needling & meddling in our neighborhood .

By sending signals to China that we're prepared to look into renewed TRADE ties without compromising our core position on the border, we're pre empting any more action by them on the LAC for the time being .

We need that time to see how things in BD evolve , to see if the Tatmadaw in Myanmar regain control over vast areas they've lost control over & more importantly get out act in Manipur together.
 

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