Indo-China Border & LAC

[crazywithmath]

There is no real substance for India-China enmity. In 1962, Nehru was acting like a CIA agent, hosting CIA planes & setting up Tibet government in exile which made China angry.

U.S. planes used Indian airbase to snoop on China

India News:U.S. planes used Indian airbase to snoop on China

www.thehindu.com

If it was just about helping, India could have given refuge to Tibetans but Nehru went one step further to set up Tibet govt in exile. To make things worse, Nehru pursued a forward policy seeing Chinese problems with Tibet which finally made China react. Although Nehru was unelected leader installed by UK, it was Indians fault to be completely stupid and accept him as authority. Blaming China is simply being unreasonable and arbitrary. How would India act if China sets up Kashmiri govt in exile? This is also why Vajpayee govt accepted Chinese control of Tibet and ended the annoyance.

As for 2020 clashes, it was not armed clashes but with sticks and stones and unlikely to be commanded by either of the leadership (no one will command their soldiers to fight with sticks). Also, India was trying to settle border dispute by sneakily trying to conquer additional peaks rather than China trying to conquer inch by inch, although this time it was not at the behest of CIA but just to secure the borders as the borders is closer to Indian population centre than Chinese. This is also why neither China nor India publish any info nor made any statement on the actual background of the clashes and it was all just media hype.

The complexity in India-China relationship arises because of strategic interest on Pakistan & middle east, mainly for the oil needs. India does not like anyone helping pakistan but China has no other way of getting its oil interests secured. India is wary of China getting too close to Pakistan & middle east to get major hold of oil supply and replace USA which will act as a continued external interference to Indian affairs with just the external agent switched from USA to China.

India-China has no cultural enmity as both are ancient civilisations and have been commonly harmed by the west. India is currently following a policy of neutrality with China. This is also why India refused to host Uighur separatists or support Hong Kong protests- both were western sponsored & India wanted no part in it. But India does not want China to be the next superpower by replacing USA's dominance in middle east but instead wants a multipolar world. Hence India won't ally with China either. This is why Jaishankar termed relation with China as "complex". It is not rivalry, enmity but simply greater geopolitical game taht transcends bilateral relations.

So, coming to war scenarios, China is no real threat to India. Indian 2 fronts are Pakistan & Bangladesh, not China. BD is small but its people have massive hatred against India and is an easy target for foreign agencies to set up anti-India sentiments. However, India uses China's name as a dummy target to justify defence developments and procurements as one can't really use weaklings like Pakistan or BD to build up major capabilities. But its is just a ploy/hype rather than real threat.

Even the most rabid Nehru hater will not accuse him of acting at the behest of the CIA.

Are you the same wumao who got Tihar Jailed at the old DFI?

Do you get the feeling that this guy Samej Jangir is Chinese? He with his loud mouth arguing Chinese case against India and Philipines in the above writings. He lacks geography also says Easter Command for East. He does not know that north of Eastern Command is Tibet/China.

Yeah, @mods @SKC @mist_consecutive

Larper alert!

 

[Azaad]

Are you the same wumao who got Tihar Jailed at the old DFI?

If Philippines is deemed a colony having thrown out the US from Subic Bay ( & other bases ) one of the largest USN bases outside of the US at the height of the Cold War only for it to re invite the US back recently after tensions with China escalated , this guy ought to be banned not so much for treasonous posts but for the low IQ argument he puts forth with such confidence.

This argument is similar in thought process & ideology to what qaumrade scum spewed about partition in the East where most of the big Zamindars in erstwhile East Bengal were Hindus & the tenant farmers muslim . Ergo the communal riots & partition were justified.

An extension of this argument was Darkha Butt explaining the reason for the ethnocide of KPs in the valley claiming most of them were in Government service to which they owed their material prosperity & since the GoI was viewed with suspicion & considered outsiders plus usurpers , the KPs were seen as collaborators , hence legitimate targets.

His logic on Tibet & China's claims on it & our territory along with the overall trajectory of Indo Chinese relationship especially in the last 6-7 years since Doklam follows similar logic.

 

[DingDong]

Do you get the feeling that this guy Samej Jangir is Chinese? He with his loud mouth arguing Chinese case against India and Philipines in the above writings. He lacks geography also says Easter Command for East. He does not know that north of Eastern Command is Tibet/China.

Most probably a Pakistani trying to prove that his uncle is stronger than his step-father. Back on the moot point, 1962 is a true history but so is 1967 . I wonder why the Chinese never talk about the 1967 misadventure.

Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan.

We cannot be the hostages of the past, we can only learn from the past and act in the present. Time and geopolitics has changed. The Indian political leadership has changed. India's geopolitical doctrine has changed.

China tested India during the Galwan Skirmishes, we taught them a few important lessons. No wonder, China has not tried the world-famous "wolf diplomacy" against India despite the hostilities at the LAC.

Setting aside the claims and the counter-claims, the end result of the India-China will be determined by the statecraft and not by unilaterally publishing the fake maps.

One of the biggest strategic missteps China has made is to engage too many "enemies" at once, some of them are beyond the current capabilities of PLA's defense forces (India, US, Japan, South Korea). Xi's tactics remind me of the Nazi Germany. He is taking up these fights mostly to strengthen his domestic position rather than protecting the Chinese interests.

 

[daya]

Still nehru was at fault... He ordered to kick the Chinese.. Refer to KR Malkani's Political Mystries...

 

[RDXChauhan]

Eastern command? Do you have a problem in reading? Are you visually impaired or not versed with English? Or are you directionally disoriented?

China is in the north. Eastern command is for handling fanatics in the east, mainly NE, BD irritants. Eastern command is headquartered in Kolkata, not in Sikkim, Ladakh or Uttarakhand and that is for a good reason. I have even hinted on this by saying that the 2nd front is BD, not China which answers the need for Eastern command.

As for northern command, it has mostly been in the news for J&K (including Ladakh-Kargil) issues. LAC is mainly handled by ITBP which is CAPF, not army. Now I will ask you a counter question - why is Southern command needed?




As for the issues, I have clearly explained with proper reasonings. If any of you have anything logical to say against my words, I am all ears. If you are just suffering from Stockholme syndrome or conformation bias, then leave me out of your misery.
@DumbPilot are you 3 year old in age or in IQ to do such cheap name callings?

Didn't Eastern Command participate in 1962 war and 2020 skirmish, also
Their AoR has Sikkim and Arunachal.
Also about your question of the Southern Command
North South is just perspective, now Southern Command is based in Pune and Pune and Indian Army have been integral to each other since the British Era. The British had a big Army base in Pune, and Southern Command exists since then. It was a logical step to continue with that legacy, than build afresh in another city, since the Army also owns huge land area in Pune.
And if you would have seen its structure it has the XII Corps( Konark) is based in Jodhpur, Rajasthan while the other XXI Corps is based in Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh
My previous answer was aimed at your foolery about not taking the Chinese as a serious threat

 

[RDXChauhan]

So, Philippines, which is not even a real country but merely a colony with no indigenous culture is having more rights than China merely on the basis of proximity? Isn't America owned by native Americans by that logic?


I am making valid points. I am open for debate and don't do name calling or insulting. I speak confidently because I am indeed knowledgeable and intelligent. North of Eastern command is indeed Arunachal pradesh. But that is not the main concern nor is there any major deployment of major bases or heavy armour there. The main work of Eastern command is regarding BD & NE fanatics which has always been a major red zones after J&K in terms of foreign activity. You simply ignore this fact and just harp on China angle without any facts, logic or reasoning.

You simply ignore this fact and just harp on China angle without any facts, logic or reasoning.
Wow so 1962 wasn't a fact, 2020 wasn't a fact
You ask for logic and don't you know Chinese claim Arunachal as theirs? So we should retreat immediately as China and India were never enemies and have had cultural ties
Them renaming our land is not a reasoning wow bro you surely must have descended from the CCP heaven
This bugger is outrightly justifying China.
no wonder everyone shat on you on DFI

 

[crazywithmath]

So, Philippines, which is not even a real country but merely a colony with no indigenous culture is having more rights than China merely on the basis of proximity? Isn't America owned by native Americans by that logic?

Wumaos do not get to determine who is a 'real country' (whatever the heck that is supposed to mean) and who is not. Sit down.

 

[mist_consecutive]

View: https://twitter.com/_consecutive/status/1809850114049188133

 

[Ultraman]

View: https://twitter.com/_consecutive/status/1809850114049188133

where is the location ? , was thinking pangong tso ridge but couldnt match it.

 

[Anonymous Bharata]

I didn't find dedicated Tibet thread, so posting it here

I also echo the same,Tibet shouldn't be independent,it should be either with us or chinkies, but not independent

View: https://x.com/KGBPurana/status/1809926844394643946

 

[sameer]

The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) post at Sirjap, hidden among mountains on the northern bank of Pangong Lake, is the headquarters for Chinese forces stationed around the lake. It was established in an area claimed by India and is around 5 km from the Line of Actual Control (LAC). Until the start of the LAC conflict in May 2020, this region was nearly entirely free of human settlements.

On the condition of anonymity, a BlackSky analyst said the base hosts an expanse of armoured vehicle storage facilities, test ranges, and fuel and munitions storage buildings. According to the analyst, the base’s current construction comprises artillery and other defensive positions fortified by enormous berms and connected by a vast network of roads and trenches that are not apparent on publicly available mapping apps.

Satellite images reveal China's military build-up near Pangong Lake, India's western border

The developments at Pangong Lake coincide with new images indicating increased Chinese military activity at Shigatse air base, a dual-use high-altitude airport in the Tibet Autonomous Region’s second largest city, and the disputed Doklam tri-junction, the site of a 73-day standoff between Indian...

www.firstpost.com

 

[Ultraman]

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Satellite images reveal China's military build-up near Pangong Lake, India's western border

The developments at Pangong Lake coincide with new images indicating increased Chinese military activity at Shigatse air base, a dual-use high-altitude airport in the Tibet Autonomous Region’s second largest city, and the disputed Doklam tri-junction, the site of a 73-day standoff between Indian...

www.firstpost.com

its a well known site since 2021 .

article reads more like ads for blacksky

 

[rockdog]

its a well known site since 2021 .

article reads more like ads for blacksky

Tibet - Sichuan railway has around 5 yrs to finish. The nearest place will be only 20km to LAC.

Chengdu as Sichuan province capital, is 6th largest GDP city, and most heavy industrilized in western.


View: https://youtu.be/EDqGt0wQKHw?si=wOP1SKdlaN3C02WJ

 

[rockdog]

Korla and Chongqing Dazu bases are more India oriented.

 

[Ultraman]

Tibet - Sichuan railway has around 5 yrs to finish. The nearest place will be only 20km to LAC.

Chengdu as Sichuan province capital, is 6th largest GDP city, and most heavy industrilized in western.


View: https://youtu.be/EDqGt0wQKHw?si=wOP1SKdlaN3C02WJ

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have they opened g216 , that new 800km road across tibet . everything seem secretive.

civil war in myanmar means chinese airforce could use their airspace to attack AP from east. airports within 500-700km from AP border at lower altitudes than tibet .

 

[rockdog]

have they opened g216 , that new 800km road across tibet . everything seem secretive.

civil war in myanmar means chinese airforce could use their airspace to attack AP from east. airports within 500-700km from AP border at lower altitudes than tibet .

G126 is finished 1 yr ago, so far only Chinese citizen allowed to pass through.

There are only few Chinese video available in YT (but 100 times more in our bilibili.com), if you search Minfeng to Gaize road.

The landscape is incredible!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CYMm2ijK64


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6afVg604It4


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7wNWzrAp7I


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXBASBLBjF8

 

[Azaad]

have they opened g216 , that new 800km road across tibet . everything seem secretive.

civil war in myanmar means chinese airforce could use their airspace to attack AP from east. airports within 500-700km from AP border at lower altitudes than tibet .

They've already wargamed flying over Myanmar to attack A&N islands from Yunnan . Why do you think we're rushing ahead with the procurement of 26 nos Rafale M ?

 

[daya]

They've already wargamed flying over Myanmar to attack A&N islands from Yunnan . Why do you think we're rushing ahead with the procurement of 26 nos Rafale M ?

We are still lagging badly. Sincere efforts are required. Lets hope so.

 

[Hari Sud]

We are still lagging badly. Sincere efforts are required. Lets hope so.

An unlikely scenario and a good possibility of IAF flying from Assam airfields and from A&N, destroy a bunch of attacking Chinese planes and with that their prestige will be gone. It is 1800 miles one way flight path which the missiles cover it better but at that distance and low accuracy of their missiles; that effort will be worthless. In return, Indian intermediate range missile will wreck havoc on the Chinese missile silos and bases. It is all Chinese losses.

Chinese claim a lot more than what they can deliver. This is part of their psychological warfare. Only arm chair generals believe that.

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

View: https://x.com/HBjournalist/status/1810982408172560639