Indo-China Border & LAC

[MasterChief]

In fact, I am ready to bet by left nut China will start another border issue by next year if not this winter itself.

I think both will keep developing infra on the rear.. likr Z Morh ..Zojila tunnels.. while suspending work near the LAC..
I think this is more to do about the increasing American pressure via the phillipines, where Phillipines seems to be going the Ukraine way..
America is alrrady deployimg long range cruise missiles [Typhon] capable of hitting China east coast in Phillipines..

 

[hurrians]

Is it a quid pro quid in arunachal?

http://m.timesofindia.com/articleshow/114438836.cms

The terms of present agreement as enumerated in the article could have been agreed to long ago , so there is something on which disagreement was there.

 

[hurrians]

"The patrolling agreement is also a win for the Chinese PLA as India had blocked Chinese patrols since the 2020 in some other some sectors along the LAC. This will be clarified by both the sides in coming days."

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/hectic-negotiations-led-to-restoration-of-patrolling-rights-101729560758271.html

 

[samsaptaka]

Something tells me this agreement is a defeat for us, trade and import of cheap chinka goods given higher priority over actual border security. I fully expect babus to now declare chinka threat over and go back to relax mode thus enabling chinka to again rinse & repeat the same salami slicing tactic.

 

[TopWatcher]

Anyhow enemy will remain always enemy. China will always come back. We need to be on toes. I think govt know this and already we developed lot of infra at china border.

Still question remains, why china accepted this?? Keeping forces on border not a big thing for china.

 

[hurrians]

"The Chinese have yet to release their statement on this understanding, and we have to recognise that China is not going to roll back its land grabs in Depsang and Demchok," Chellaney said.

"What this new patrolling arrangement is, only time will tell, because details keep out slowly, as they did in the case of the buffer zone arrangements," he added.


According to Chellaney, three things are required to end a standoff -- disengagement, de-escalation, and de-induction of rival forces.


"Today, what has been announced by the Indian side only relates to the first step, disengagement of rival forces. The second and third steps would be very difficult because China has created permanent new warfare-related infrastructure along the India frontier," Chellaney said.

"A return to status quo ante, both in terms of how the border looked before April 2020 or how the territorial control existed along the Ladakh frontier before April 2020 when China made its land grabs on Indian territory, is not coming back," he added.


According to Lt General Hasnain

He said the announcement by the government is to prepare a ground for a meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping at the BRICS Summit in Kazan on Tuesday.

"There is some positivity in the backdrop behind it (potential meeting). That is about all," he said.

Can India trust China amid talks over disengagement along LAC? What experts say

Experts suggest that while this is a significant step in diffusing tensions between the two countries, India should be cautious about China's motives.

www.indiatoday.in

 

[TopWatcher]

A return to status quo ante, both in terms of how the border looked before April 2020 or how the territorial control existed along the Ladakh frontier before April 2020 when China made its land grabs on Indian territory, is not coming back," he added.

Than what we accepted ?

 

[altruistRor]

Chinese are notoriously known for their 2-turn. In 1962 something similar happened (disengagement), only for them to attack back in Nov.



Bold, LOL they don't need India at all. While its good to not have India as an "active" enemy, and be able to sell shit to Indian market, they don't really have any dependency on us.



I will argue China is far more dangerous than USA. All the countries USA has influenced (not colonialised forcefully through military, eg., Iraq) have turned out to economically better-off and turned into some kind of cultural or economic powerhouse, or both.

All the countries China has influenced has gone to dogs. Literally. Economy crashed, militarily and domestically handicapped in multiple ways, became complete banana republics.

Also, for our context -

What USA wants - Remove far-right govt, install USA-friendly govt, sell us surplus military hardware, ready to grow our MIL by shifting their supply lines to India, and have military bases in Indian subcontinent.

What China wants - Remove far-right govt, install China-friendly govt, cripple us with economic dependency on them (kill domestic industry), start & increase multiple seperatist movements inside India to break us into multiple pieces like Myanmar, grab our territories and finally kill the republic of India.

Choose the lesser evil.



PLA ain't going back. They will just start patrolling.

How smartly the biggest threat that US poses to India has been evaded. The cultural derogation of India, something which China avoids.

Most absurd laws passed and norms followed by the GoI like LGBTQ and mainstreaming it, adultery laws, women in forces, and several upcoming laws are bcoz of US pressure.

Land can be taken back- borders can be altered, but culture and sanity once lost, can not be brought back.

turned into some kind of cultural or economic powerhouse, or both.

This has to be the biggest joke of the millennia. From cultural pov, Powerhouse only in the terms of dismantling it.

 

[Viper316]

In fact, I am ready to bet by left nut China will start another border issue by next year if not this winter itself.

Imho, We should have waited untill elections get over. Expect a pro India stand from Trump administration.

 

[Suga]

How smartly the biggest threat that US poses to India has been evaded. The cultural derogation of India, something which China avoids.

Most absurd laws passed and norms followed by the GoI like LGBTQ and mainstreaming it, adultery laws, women in forces, and several upcoming laws are bcoz of US pressure.

Land can be taken back- borders can be altered, but culture and sanity once lost, can not be brought back.



This has to be the biggest joke of the millennia. From cultural pov, Powerhouse only in the terms of dismantling it.

What about our country industrialisation efforts the Han supremacist obviously wont do it instead they will destroy our home grown firms.

 

[darkflame]

What about our country industrialisation efforts the Han supremacist obviously wont do it instead they will destroy our home grown firms.

industrialization without han is nearly impossible hans have largest no of firms in fortune 500 even more then USA, not to mention these firms rised admist continuous competition from us and Japanese firms ours can be too ,whatever investments from this firms will be very necessary.stopping Chinese investments is just like hitting your own leg with an axe

 

[altruistRor]

Hostility with China is not in the best interest of India. India, no matter who rules, will always try to mend the relations with Chinese even if the later one has a history and tendency to backstab.

The obvious reason is, it's a neighbour, sharing thousands of km of boundaries. Both are really huge, and impossible for both sides to completely dismantle or destroy each other.
Territorial boundaries keep changing every hundred year, the culture is the only constant, something which remains.

West has altered this cultural integrity in the NE, and threatens to alter in other regions as well. They want to materialize the rivalry in the neighborhood to make both of them irrelevant.

For me, Never trust a person who wants you to play a death match with your rival or enemy, watching and enjoying thousands of km away.

 

[Aaj Ka Hero]

Now, the disengagement agreement must have included clause of no further military development along border areas (which our retarted diplomats would sign gleefully), but hurts us because we cannot develop equivalent military infrasturcture to match the Chinese.

I don't think this type of agreement might had happened because we were already somewhat OK with what was happening at LAC.
My conclusion is more on tune with this.

View: https://youtu.be/EbLT__YHsf8?si=E0Wen9qw5fBPtJYS

 

[Suryavanshi]

industrialization without han is nearly impossible hans have largest no of firms in fortune 500 even more then USA, not to mention these firms rised admist continuous competition from us and Japanese firms ours can be too ,whatever investments from this firms will be very necessary.stopping Chinese investments is just like hitting your own leg with an axe

Yes Hans have 125 firms vs our 10.

One thing significant is that China's PSU spearheaded their economy by producing manufacturing machinery. It's like what ISRO is doing for our private space sector, helping private firms with machinery and technical support.

On the other hand our PSUs are a source of job creation and reservations.

ISRO, DRDO, ADA. NPCI being exceptions.

PSUs like BEL, BEML and BHEL should have produced machinery needed for industries.

 

[altruistRor]

What about our country industrialisation efforts the Han supremacist obviously wont do it instead they will destroy our home grown firms.

These are the obvious challenges that come along. It's the task of the current govt to provide them stability and maintain a balance. First and foremost thing that we need is the skilled labour which we lack right now.

What we can deduce from the ongoing events is, GoI is very much interested in easing relations with Chinks even at the cost of some collateral damage. If that is the thing, then there is something even more important and critical than these possible losses.

 

[Patriots]

View: https://x.com/rajatpTOI/status/1848616123803066756

 

[Suryavanshi]

I luv this gormint.

#EndAllSarkariJobs

PSU Government Jobs: Central PSU jobs down 2.7 lakh over past decade says Govt data | India News - Times of India

India News: Over the past decade, employment in Central public sector enterprises (CPSEs) has seen a double whammy of job reduction on the one hand and increasing

www.google.com

To promote R&D culture we can do two things.

1 Open more organizations akin to DRDO and get an exception to reservations for scientific role in them.

2 Grant Tax breaks on R&D.
The gormint cannot give direct funds to private companies because the dehati janta will start banging their heads and chug cyanide pills.

Of course to counter the dhando mindset tax breaks are to be granted after the R&D has been analyzed properly.

Gormint can prioritize patented tech and create a list of technolog sectors where breaks are granted.

 

[Screambowl]

Chinese are notoriously known for their 2-turn. In 1962 something similar happened (disengagement), only for them to attack back in Nov.

Every one knows this. And there will be monitoring all the time so that no chinese troops take advantage of it. Just need right people at the job, unlike during Galwan when chief of NTRO kept sleeping.
Most of these blunders happen due to wrong people on chair, missing the inputs or not being proactive.

 

[Patriots]

View: https://x.com/nitingokhale/status/1848645182209613921

 

[Patriots]

View: https://x.com/ANI/status/1848628720942387261