Indo-China Border & LAC

[Azaad]

Goras are salty because R&AW is running amok in their own backyard. Nijjars and Pannuns are useful idiots.

Chinkus will strike again, btw - just like @mist_consecutive predicted. And in the mean time, they would absolutely love to flood the Indian market with their cheap subsidized exports (given the amount of stimuli their gormint is pumping in their bid to escape some severe economic crisis, India can be a perfect dumping ground for them).

But I don't understand why would a deal on the LAC be predicated on the Chinese flooding our markets with their wares ? If we really were so suicidal we'd have signed up on the RCEP.

Rather the Chinese may have consented to the detente in the hope we'd be more open to their goods. I'd say we may even have hinted at granting them access in exchange for a border agreement without getting into specifics.

The Indian side may have as usual refused to have been cornered on this telling the Chinese all such discussions on specifics would succeed not precede a border agreement sticking to our earlier stand best articulated by Jaishankar that the state of our relationship will be determined by the state of affairs on the border.

Will there be concessions ? I would think so which in turn would be linked to the expertise the Chinese would be willing to share in terms of personnel & know how in certain sectors like solar panels , cellphone mfg etc . in lieu of which there would be some trade offs.

Just as whatever trust there existed which arguably wasn't much to begin with disappeared in 2020 with those days never returning why should it be too different as far as trade ties goes ?

 

[sameer]

But I don't understand why would a deal on the LAC be predicated on the Chinese flooding our markets with their wares ? If we really were so suicidal we'd have signed up on the RCEP.

Rather the Chinese may have consented to the detente in the hope we'd be more open to their goods. I'd say we may even have hinted at granting them access in exchange for a border agreement without getting into specifics.

The Indian side may have as usual refused to have been cornered on this telling the Chinese all such discussions on specifics would succeed not precede a border agreement sticking to our earlier stand best articulated by Jaishankar that the state of our relationship will be determined by the state of affairs on the border.

Will there be concessions ? I would think so which in turn would be linked to the expertise the Chinese would be willing to share in terms of personnel & know how in certain sectors like solar panels , cellphone mfg etc . in lieu of which there would be some trade offs.

Just as whatever trust there existed which arguably wasn't much to begin with disappeared in 2020 with those days never returning why should it be too different as far as trade ties goes ?

I believe China wants an off ramp due to their economic slowdown/unemployment issues. Their EV's are pretty much dead on arrival in North America due to the 100% import tax and EU is also upping the ante with tariffs. Same with their solar panels. Moreover, if Trump comes in, he's threatening 60% tariffs on all Chinese goods and pretty much a relentless onslaught on the Cheeni economy by the Yanks.

There are no other big global markets aren't big enough to absorb the overproduction. That leaves them out with India which is a stable long term market.

Basically, CCP China needs to be thought of as a vulture that feeds off of weakness. 2019-2020 were arguably some of the worse years for India in recent history: the farm law protests, CAA protests & riots, Pulwama attacks, Art 370 repeal, covid crushing our economy etc etc. Cheena most likely thought that was the right time to hit us.

Now that the (relative) power differential has come down, China wants to make a compromise and step back.

I just hope GOI is careful this time and doesn't let them flood our country with goods. Any JV's should have tot.

 

[sameer]

What other way do you see?

If gora scum are going to create such a huge issue over a lowly thug like Nijjer, it's obvious they have nothing but 100% bad intent towards us.

I'll trust the Chinks over Americunts any day. Obviouly we need to be careful and not trust CCP blindly.

Both of them are dangerous but in different ways: China remains an immediate threat on the border, while America will always be a long term civilizational/cultural threat on the horizon.

Once can argue either one of them is more dangerous..I'd say its 50-50.

For now both relationships need to be managed carefully. Next 1-2 decades will probably be the most crucial for us. The way it looks like: the yanks are very much interested in turning us into another Ukraine.

 

[hurrians]

Fucking dhandhos
But then again it's from Al-Jizzeera

"Industry executives said the government took cognisance of the ongoing issues"

India China trade: Electronics makers all charged up as India-China tensions ease - The Economic Times

With tensions easing between India and China, the Indian electronics manufacturing sector anticipates faster technology transfers, investments, and capital movement from Chinese companies. Industry executives believe improved political relations will positively impact business and foster...

m.economictimes.com

New Delhi’s business community for goods and specialised manpower from across the border, and its ambitions of becoming a manufacturing hub have played a big role in the progressive shift.



"The easing also helps China. With its economy slowing down, domestic consumption throttled, and regions such as the European Union and the United States pushing protectionist tariffs against the country, Beijing’s trade relationship with India — which has a big domestic market — becomes all the more important for them."

Govt looks at options as business mounts pressure for China dealings again

Meanwhile, India’s exports to China have remained stagnant while imports have soared. Last month, External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar said Indian goods do not have the same market access in China as Chinese products enjoy in India.

indianexpress.com

https://www.business-standard.com/companies/news/adani-group-s-solar-firm-seeks-visas-for-vendors-chinese-workers-124062801138_1.html

Murmurs were there for long immediate trigger maybe so called corporates considered close to corridors of power lobbying and or genuine desire for thaw as the trade(aka import) has only increased since 2020, with so many pli scheme , the level of screwdrivergiri has become more complex and advanced.

 

[hurrians]

Investigation opened into Swiss encryption firm linked to CIA

The Swiss government has opened an investigation into a decades-old spying affair involving Swiss firm Crypto.

www.swissinfo.ch

Most electronic communication can be broken into by cia/nsa , raa procures snooping equipment from western manufacturers.


Although backers and funders of the democrats and republicans have different objectives wrt India including but not limited to soul harvesting,muh democracy,muh hooman rights, minority oppression, hindu nationalism etc

However the present dispensation is the one that has signed the most foundational agreement with USA, congress not withstanding rauljis present tendency of bad mouthing India in usa was firmly aligned with Russia/USSR while in power .

Regarding Russian oil usa is not foolish , it will disrupt the entire world economy, refined Russian oil is sold to Europeans , although we are the largest crude importers but we are also a major exporter of refined products. So all pressure on oil may have been lelis in us deep state believing their own propaganda, but when faced with facts they have done course correction.

China and usa co-operate on their own, so India is in no dream that it can hedge one against the other.

 

[hurrians]

People fail to appreciate the fact how gora sahib (America) has handled the pannun saga tactfully, it has allowed moodiji to save face by sacrificing a lower-rung official, it has also deflected e-sainiks ire on canada while insulating it's own relationship and cooperation with India.

The alleged rouge agent had contacted undercover dea/fbi agent which comes under doj while nsa/cia it seems are not under doj.

Sauce: rumint

 

[mist_consecutive]

People fail to appreciate the fact how gora sahib (America) has handled the pannun saga tactfully, it has allowed moodiji to save face by sacrificing a lower-rung official, it has also deflected e-sainiks ire on canada while insulating it's own relationship and cooperation with India.

You say as if Mudi himself went to USA to shoot Panun.

America (CIA) first intentionally nurtures Pannun & Khalistan to create a leverage against us. Then they protect him and give him the free mic. CIA also shares intelligence of possible Indian involvement in Nijjar case, which leds to saboutaging Indo-Canada ties.

All these is acceptable if America was some god of human rights & free speech. They themselves are the worst offenders, and have assasinated important leaders for much less.

Correct thing would have been to brush this incident under the carpet and deal with this diplomatically. But America openly chose to pick a fight with us.

 

[Anants]

Investigation opened into Swiss encryption firm linked to CIA

The Swiss government has opened an investigation into a decades-old spying affair involving Swiss firm Crypto.

www.swissinfo.ch

Most electronic communication can be broken into by cia/nsa , raa procures snooping equipment from western manufacturers.


Although backers and funders of the democrats and republicans have different objectives wrt India including but not limited to soul harvesting,muh democracy,muh hooman rights, minority oppression, hindu nationalism etc

However the present dispensation is the one that has signed the most foundational agreement with USA, congress not withstanding rauljis present tendency of bad mouthing India in usa was firmly aligned with Russia/USSR while in power .

Regarding Russian oil usa is not foolish , it will disrupt the entire world economy, refined Russian oil is sold to Europeans , although we are the largest crude importers but we are also a major exporter of refined products. So all pressure on oil may have been lelis in us deep state believing their own propaganda, but when faced with facts they have done course correction.

China and usa co-operate on their own, so India is in no dream that it can hedge one against the other.

Pavneet in one his video stated one of RAaw senior officer was live streaming an internal meeting with one senior officers to US. And he says such cases are there. West relies lot on sophisticated equipment to gather intel.

 

[shade2]

What other way do you see?

If gora scum are going to create such a huge issue over a lowly thug like Nijjer, it's obvious they have nothing but 100% bad intent towards us.

I'll trust the Chinks over Americunts any day. Obviouly we need to be careful and not trust CCP blindly.

There is no (((trust))) with Chinku, that's asking for a blade between your ribs tbh.

We have to treat them exactly how they have treated foreign tech investment since the last 40 years.

Make sure there is ToT, they are free to setup facilities producing parts and subcomponents for finished goods, they are free to setup final assembly plants provided they indeginize some of the parts used or export the production.

We also need to encourage our desi JV partners or employees at chinku sub component firms to steal their tech and processes and either ditch the chink partner in case of JV or start their own rival firm in case of top employees.


What they should not be allowed to do is direct import and sell here.

Basically we need the whole "increase duty on fully build mobile phone imports so that they setup assembly plants here" scheme across a wide variety of sectors.

The Chinku is like a fire or an explosion, if we contain it we can cook our food on it, if not it burns us, if we contain it we can use it to shoot our enemies, if not we get blown to pieces.

 

[Anants]

And we cozying up to China was exactly what US wanted. They wanted to paint India " against us" category so badly.

 

[Miss Firing]

Pavneet in one his video stated one of RAaw senior officer was live streaming an internal meeting with one senior officers to US. And he says such cases are there. West relies lot on sophisticated equipment to gather intel.

Good Gods.

Any further info on this?

Was the traitor caught & put in some rusty jail where some patriotic criminals gu***d him?

 

[Anants]

Good Gods.

Any further info on this?

Was the traitor caught & put in some rusty jail where some patriotic criminals gu***d him?

I dont remember exactly which video but it was one of the recent by Pavneet

 

[hurrians]

You say

Doesn't matter what I allegedly say , facts (as per media)

. rouge officer tried to make the hit
. enquiry board formed said rouge officer arrested, America almost happy with cooperation




if america made same tantrums as Canada with Biden announcing in senate/congress about the matter ,as head of state moodiji would have lost face

Correct thing would have been to brush this incident under the carpe

Answer to that lies in my previous posts last paragraph .

Anyway doesn't matter ,the rouge agent was caught for his mistakes. Will India brush it under carpet if gora agent caught, ofcourse unlike them we couldn't pressurise them to act on handler case in point Coleman headly ( although it was terrorism much serious than current alleged charges)

 

[hurrians]

Doesn't matter what I say , facts (as per media)

. rouge officer tried to make the hit
. enquiry board formed said rouge officer arrested, America almost happy with cooperation




if america made same tantrums as Canada with Biden announcing in senate/congress about the matter ,as head of state moodiji would have lost face

Answer to that lies in my previous posts last paragraph .

Anyway doesn't matter ,the rouge agent was caught for his mistakes. Will India brush it under carpet if gora agent caught, ofcourse unlike them we couldn't pressurise them to act on handler case in point Coleman /headly ( although it was terrorism much serious than current alleged charges)

Talking of headly ,quiet a coincidence that he was alleged to be a dea informant and cc1 was also ensnared by a dea agent.
It has been repeatedly reported for the past few years and recently that his friend Tahawwur Hussain Rana will be extradited to India, but somehow it gets extended.

 

[hurrians]

But America openly chose to pick a fight with us.

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If it openly choose to fight, US too would loose on a partnership it has tried hard to cultivate.

Present trajectory doesn't suggest US will go Canada way, anyhow the power differential will play out.

India will aquiece to a limit not beyond that.

If pushed beyond a point America will loose the whole plot as India would be forced to retaliate due to public pressure, anyway us administration is not a monolith case in point usa backs israel to the hilt but many democrat political appointees have resigned over the same.

FACT BOX - 12 US officials have publicly resigned in protest over Biden's Gaza policy since Oct. 7

'The administration’s policy in Gaza is a failure and a threat to US national security,' former government officials say in joint statement - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

In case of Israel it's the only option available to them but when it comes to India the leli elements may get much more support.

 

[shade2]

And we cozying up to China was exactly what US wanted. They wanted to paint India " against us" category so badly.

They are welcome to do it like they did with Russia, they lost Russia's natural resource bounty.

They are welcome also to lose market access to the fastest growing major consoomer economy, which is unsaturated like their home economies in terms of goods and services.

They are also free to lose the world's best supply of youthful warmbodies to go up against the China man's 40 year old unkil warm bodies

 

[Anants]

They are welcome to do it like they did with Russia, they lost Russia's natural resource bounty.

They are welcome also to lose market access to the fastest growing major consoomer economy, which is unsaturated like their home economies in terms of goods and services.

They are also free to lose the world's best supply of youthful warmbodies to go up against the China man's 40 year old unkil warm bodies

They are banking on latin and arab bodies to bring back glory and comfort of cold war era. But they dont understand that glow of cold war did not come alone on the back of machivilean strategies but by cold disciplined hard work their population put in not dismmilar from Chinese sweatshops since the days of industrial revolution.

 

[shade2]

They are banking on latin and arab bodies to bring back glory and comfort of cold war era. But they dont understand that glow of cold war did not come alone on the back of machivilean strategies but by cold disciplined hard work their population put in not dismmilar from Chinese sweatshops since the days of industrial revolution.

Arabs and Mestizos can't be arsed to die in the West's wars, especially when now all the 3 green power centers viz Saudiya,Turki and Irani are anti West.

Mestizos have a strong Lol Salaam leftie undercurrent in their culture thanks to the OG Cold War.

I was thinking about the Peenoys but China won't attack Pinoypines and neither will Peenoise attack China so even that possibility doesn't make sense.

Perhaps this is God turning the west mad so they fall on their faces, so all nations can finally have freedom rather than being slowly converted either to the cult of Globohomo or the green religion.

 

[Vinash]

There is no (((trust))) with Chinku, that's asking for a blade between your ribs tbh.

We have to treat them exactly how they have treated foreign tech investment since the last 40 years.

Make sure there is ToT, they are free to setup facilities producing parts and subcomponents for finished goods, they are free to setup final assembly plants provided they indeginize some of the parts used or export the production.

We also need to encourage our desi JV partners or employees at chinku sub component firms to steal their tech and processes and either ditch the chink partner in case of JV or start their own rival firm in case of top employees.


What they should not be allowed to do is direct import and sell here.

Basically we need the whole "increase duty on fully build mobile phone imports so that they setup assembly plants here" scheme across a wide variety of sectors.

The Chinku is like a fire or an explosion, if we contain it we can cook our food on it, if not it burns us, if we contain it we can use it to shoot our enemies, if not we get blown to pieces.

Nobody should ever trust the Chinese.

It's just that, I have 10% trust on them while I have 0% trust on the Gora scum.

 

[shade2]

Nobody should ever trust the Chinese.

It's just that, I have 10% trust on them while I have 0% trust on the Gora scum.

Both are an immediate threat only their nature is different.

China is mostly a conventional military conflict threat i.e their land grabs and military aggression, rest of it is them dumping their chink shit here etc which can be dealt easily

US is a non-military threat, they want to regime-change Modi and replace him with a coalition of pliant puppets so that India is their next vassal, they can infiltrate every level of military, UPSC passout officers and the political class, and once the regime change is done their next step is to defang the central govt and widen the fissures in Indian society, caste, language etc and add new things to the mix like feminism and LGTVHD+

US seeks to control India and social engineer it's people
the Chinese just want India to be incapable of threatening or even being a nuisance to them.

Anyway as these two go further and further away from G2 dostana it will become easy for us.