Indo-China Border & LAC

[BlackViking]

Gen. Dwivedi has to be the worst Army Chief India has got in many decades.

Northern Command flashbacks

 

[Blood+]

Gen. Dwivedi has to be the worst Army Chief India has got in many decades.

It was likely a political decision and we all know the level of paranoia our babus and politicos hold against the army.

 

[Anants]

It was likely a political decision and we all know the level of paranoia our babus and politicos hold against the army.

And dunno how they find optimism in Chinese especially CSG

 

[Miss Firing]

So, to clarify, we have -

Status quo ante bellum in all areas (Assume permanent infra. set up by both parties to remain untouched)

The negative being escorted patrols at Yangste/Asaphila

Correct ?

 

[TopWatcher]

Multiple pages conversation, but still not clear wat we loose or gain

 

[ezsasa]

Multiple pages conversation, but still not clear wat we loose or gain

we don't even know what exactly triggered this escalation in the first place, it's been four years.

 

[hurrians]

"However, he noted that China's border, coastal and air defense is faced with new opportunities and new challenges, and stressed the need to strengthen overall planning to enhance the border defense capability.

Xi called for intensified efforts to boost infrastructure connectivity and joint development to forge a border, coastal and air defense that is conducive to both national security and economic and social development.

Xi also said greater emphasis must be placed on integrating science and technology into national defense efforts, and urged more efforts to enhance friendly and practical cooperation with neighboring countries to foster a conducive environment for China's defense development."

Xi Jinping stresses modernizing China's border, coastal, air defense

Chinese President Xi Jinping has called for modernizing the country's border, coastal and air defense to make it strong and solid as he chaired a leadership group study session prior to the country's Army Day, which falls on August 1.

news.cgtn.com

Some hints on Xis thought process.

.Anyway Indias ask was simple and consistent give us patrolling roghts

.patrolling is not permanent control ,it maybe possible that in the pre 2020 era even chini used to patrol there

.the current agreement is something which could have been agreed long ago

.increased infra /connectivity at Indian border it seems played a role along with 370

.there were lot of skirmishes pre 2020 including one where a young officer, it seems pushed a senior pla officer

.all statements from both sides always said -strategic guidence from respective leaders

. Both leaders it seems were eager to restart jhoola diplomacy

.in any negotiation you loose some you gain some , without getting full details of agreement not possible to analyse precisely ,however it would be proper to ponder on what china has sacrificed ( if anything) to seal the deal.

.it seems even Xi knows the deal is not easy to sell to his domestic audience, case in point the recent warning to so called rumours on weibo

 

[hurrians]

"Secret China-India talks aim to redefine Himalayan border Published on 27/11/2023​

A delegation from China's ministry of state security is to visit Arunachal Pradesh to try to finalise a border agreement proposed by Beijing."

China/India : Secret China-India talks aim to redefine Himalayan border - 27/11/2023 - Intelligence Online

A delegation from China's ministry of state security is to visit Arunachal Pradesh to try to finalise a border agreement proposed by Beijing. - 11/27/2023

www.intelligenceonline.com

Don't know what the full report is, still it seems MSS was involved.

 

[Anants]

Look Chinese are playing their version of real politiks. I think they have smelled Trump winning. They fear new Trump admin continuing with India where he left in last presidency wrt coalition against China. They know Ukro Russo war is also going to ramp down if Trump wins, and they might not have same leverage over Russia by then.

 

[Hari Sud]

China and its recent friendly gesture to India

Beware of China’s “friendship”—history shows a pattern of deception. From Qin Shi Huang’s reign around 200 BC, China’s leaders have often paired diplomatic gestures with covert conquests. This trend persisted, with Mao Zedong and Zhou Enlai outwardly promoting peace with India’s Nehru at the 1955 Bandung Conference, only to start encroaching on Indian territory shortly afterward, continuing in 1962, 1976, 1986, and 2020. Each incursion met resistance, often over desolate high-altitude snowy peaks.

In 2020, India responded with military strength, forcing China to retreat from several contested areas, though two locations remained unresolved. Now, China has unexpectedly vacated these spots, allowing India to control some previously contested heights. This sudden shift raises questions: what might China’s real motives be?

Is China’s recent concession a sign of ill intent, or is it struggling to manage multiple confrontations with its neighbors?

China’s ongoing military standoffs with Taiwan and the U.S., the Philippines, and India are stretching its resources, compounded by an economic slowdown fueled by rapid expansion in housing, infrastructure, military spending, and $10 trillion in debt. Sluggish demand for Chinese goods has led to slower growth, akin to Japan’s economic stagnation. Despite President Xi Jinping’s efforts, the crisis persists. The Chinese Communist Party’s legitimacy hinges on economic prosperity, so economic decline risks sparking internal unrest. Facing these challenges, Xi appears to be reducing external conflicts, prioritizing a settlement with India over disputed territories. Recently, China vacated two contested choke points, giving India strategic control over the area.

India welcomed the move, establishing control over the high ground. A broader Chinese withdrawal could lead to mutual military reductions and improved peace prospects. Yet, China’s approach to “peace” is often ambiguous, given its history of blending diplomacy with deception. India should not let down its guard along the LAC; while troops may pull back, they should maintain a verifiable surveillance system. Until final agreements are reached, India will continue fortifying its border infrastructure, keeping its defenses strong and ready.

 

[Brood Father]

Look Chinese are playing their version of real politiks. I think they have smelled Trump winning. They fear new Trump admin continuing with India where he left in last presidency wrt coalition against China. They know Ukro Russo war is also going to ramp down if Trump wins, and they might not have same leverage over Russia by then.

Trump winning might be good for China per say . Trump don't want to interfere in other country politics which is what China needs . Kamala is bad for China as she will try to enforce her "Rule of law" and meddle with other countries internal politics.

Reason could be chinese don't think tactically but they thing strategically ..this is more of a waiting game and much more to do with India internal politics .
Anyways until full details are out , I would be very skeptical of any gains on our side wrt this deal.

 

[Azaad]

View: https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1849304031405212091?s=19

 

[Screambowl]

Trump winning might be good for China per say . Trump don't want to interfere in other country politics which is what China needs . Kamala is bad for China as she will try to enforce her "Rule of law" and meddle with other countries internal politics.

I doubt, because what Trump with the trade, tariffs and intellectual property theft regulations, Biden did that too and if Trump comes in power they will get more stringent. For example solar panels tariff which was put by Trump was doubled in Biden regime and most probably will be again raised if Trump takes over.

 

[Anants]

Trump winning might be good for China per say . Trump don't want to interfere in other country politics which is what China needs . Kamala is bad for China as she will try to enforce her "Rule of law" and meddle with other countries internal politics.

Reason could be chinese don't think tactically but they thing strategically ..this is more of a waiting game and much more to do with India internal politics .
Anyways until full details are out , I would be very skeptical of any gains on our side wrt this deal.

Brood understand Deep State, Demos & Department of State - they all want to milk all honey from China. So under them publicly POTUS shall blow hot but inside it shall act all chummy to let honey train flow.

Trump was disruptor last time. Dunno this time - what shall be his stance but expecting Kamala to do like trump is fools errand.

 

[crazywithmath]

This is the case, refer to my this post -> https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/indo-china-border-lac.14/post-47637

PP14 is the helipad we tried to build at the bend. PP14A is ahead (towards Chinese side) the point till where we tried to claim land (you also pointed out that LAC was actually at PP14A ahead of the Galwan bend).

Basically we will patrol till the opposite bank of PP14.



This area, to be exact - 28.451475313527904, 93.1667301221839

Patrolled (and claimed) by both China & India.



Details are scarce, but we will get to know slowly.

TIL: The Arunachal Pradesh govt has developed Chumi Gyatse as a popular tourism spot and directly/indirectly sponsors forward expeditions (led by 'civilians') across the Yangtze region on a regular basis.

 

[truthsoldier]

View: https://x.com/hellfire_81/status/1851288583849816086?t=yvtfzxeiCvjth4NWxl9CVg&s=19

 

[Brood Father]

Why blame babus ..army and modi are fully onboard in this capitulation

 

[Ultraman]

View: https://x.com/hellfire_81/status/1851288583849816086?t=yvtfzxeiCvjth4NWxl9CVg&s=19

must be mistake on konchok's part. its not on finger 7


View: https://x.com/Kyangs_Thang/status/1851284578025030099


just because we grabbed the peaks , doesnt mean chinese would vacate entire tibet .

they already have alternative road to g219 ,which is the g216 + feeder roads . they were also building another road out of line of sight from the peaks we occupied .

never mind if we escalated we will lose more in ladakh . unless we escalated to other sectors , then chinese will do same and it may end up in war.

 

[Psacha123]

Disengagement at Depsang and Demchok ‘almost over’.
Patrolling to resume from Oct 31


View: https://x.com/timesnow/status/1851458554605015281?s=46

 

[helin]

They know Ukro Russo war is also going to ramp down if Trump wins

I'm interested in how Trump can do that