Indo-China Border & LAC

[Ultraman]

asphila is another place we agreed to let them in .

person who lives there posted this video long time back , not much infra here . whole area is outside our official border ,


View: https://x.com/Tasichader2/status/1844636619464130877

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[jaijaganath]

Army does ‘physical verification’ of Chinese pullout from Depsang, 'escorted patrolling' mooted in East

First patrol since January 2020 in Depsang Plains will start this week. It's understood that Army will carry out patroling to PP 10, 11, 12, 12A & 13.

theprint.in

WHAT THE FUCK ?
We agreed to Chinese patrolling in Yangtse area

Absolute MORONS these babus are ! There is no, absolutely no strategic value for us in Depsang, (Raki Nala & beyond), patrolling it is little more than ego massaging and joyride.

Giving up control of Chumi Gyatse - Yangtse area for Depsang is like trading 1 acre of land in Thar desert for 1 acre of land in Chanakyapuri in Delhi.

Army knows there is no value in Depsang, it is barren land with no strategic future. Army is super-sensitive about Yangtse in Tawang. I strongly doubt the idiots in MEA & GoI must have shoved this deal down the throat of Army.

Fuck
What did I just read
I mean they literally trade of tawang for depsang
Who took these decisions
That's the fucking reason that Chinese who were adamant about depsang were ready to negotiate
Their western theatre commander would be laughing at us

 

[jaijaganath]

When was it that IA captured Chumi Gyatse and Yangtse ?

During standoff which happened under leadership of legendary sundarji

 

[Suryavanshi]

In the short term , looks like 56" is giving priority to dhandho , hence the agreement on the LAC to clear the way for economic ties to improve.

In the long term , well in the long term , we're all dead. That apart , hope the realisation in all quarters is this is the final agreement before the final reckoning , whenever that is.

History must not repeat, I hope this isn't the repeat of 62.
Everything is cool till we keep pushing infra development in the frontiers.

 

[MasterChief]

View: https://x.com/sneheshphilip/status/1850942303579619513

Forget Bottleneck, forget Raki Nala, PP10-PP13 has no strategic value, China already heavily dominates the area.

We are trading our rooks for their pawns and being happy.

Indian Military is in no shape for attriti9n war with China.. and with US being increasingly hostile, Modi might have wanted to catch his breath..

 

[daya]

Nothing new this time, in earlier years too, lost the advantage over the table.

 

[mist_consecutive]

asphila is another place we agreed to let them in .

Source ? They can't do much in Asaphila, they have no infra in that area.

Fuck
What did I just read
I mean they literally trade of tawang for depsang

Not entire Tawang, but a very small area, but its strategic and historical importance is as much as Depsang + Demchok combined, perhaps even more.

Indian Military is in no shape for attriti9n war with China.. and with US being increasingly hostile, Modi might have wanted to catch his breath..

This is not a strategic decision, no, in no sense at all. This is a very short-sighted, ill-informed appeasement-driven decision.

 

[jaijaganath]

History must not repeat, I hope this isn't the repeat of 62.
Everything is cool till we keep pushing infra development in the frontiers.

Apart from tawang infra is shit in NE especially for border areas u can have a look in maps
As @mist_consecutive stated they have tried multiple times to reclaim tawang now giving them access to these points will help them building strategies and tactics to counter our strong hold
Moreover it's not limited to tawang definitely other parts of NE would have same deal too
Let's not speak about infra in fishtail region

 

[Cheepek]

Source ? They can't do much in Asaphila, they have no infra in that area.



Not entire Tawang, but a very small area, but its strategic and historical importance is as much as Depsang + Demchok combined, perhaps even more.



This is not a strategic decision, no, in no sense at all. This is a very short-sighted, ill-informed appeasement-driven decision.

Is that a new area, or area patrolled by Chinese before?

 

[Ultraman]

Source ? They can't do much in Asaphila, they have no infra in that area.



Not entire Tawang, but a very small area, but its strategic and historical importance is as much as Depsang + Demchok combined, perhaps even more.



This is not a strategic decision, no, in no sense at all. This is a very short-sighted, ill-informed appeasement-driven decision.

View: https://x.com/manupubby/status/1848952952435683689

mentioned by 1 or 2 people but no details

 

[Ultraman]

interesting bit of info that govt hid.

LAC in galwan was not at pp14 but further outside.

another patrol point pp14a was also there , both inside buffer zone .

ajay shukla got a lot of hate for this but he was rite .

Govt wont give full details , will take a few months to figure out what the actual new patrol agreement really is .

Indian & Chinese troops start disengagement at Depsang. What the LAC pact entails

It allows the resumption of patrolling as it was in April 2020. This includes not just Depsang & Demchok but also northern banks of Pangong Tso, Gogra Hot Springs area & Galwan Valley.

theprint.in

In the Galwan area, Indian troops used to patrol mainly only till PP14, which is near the Y-junction in the valley. The Y-junction is the area where the Galwan River makes a sharp turn towards its meeting point with the Shyok River.

Sources said that this point is about 1.5 kilometres short of the Line of Actual Control (LAC), from where PP14A is 500 metres short.

 

[Ultraman]

Gen. Dwivedi has to be the worst Army Chief India has got in many decades.

meh , mudi is rite , era of war is over .

chinese dont have balls to do anything - neither do we . even if they bring in 400 j20 it wont guarantee a victory , and they wont take that risk .

shiet ... lets just go back to buying chinese cheap shit .

was planning on buying some 100 rs cheap motion sensor and set up at home , that was before govt banned chinese sites. hopefully i can go back to buying their cheap crap.

really no point to IA or PLA freezing their balls off in that frozen high altitude waste land.

 

[jaijaganath]

Source ? They can't do much in Asaphila, they have no infra in that area.



Not entire Tawang, but a very small area, but its strategic and historical importance is as much as Depsang + Demchok combined, perhaps even more.



This is not a strategic decision, no, in no sense at all. This is a very short-sighted, ill-informed appeasement-driven decision.

Ok specifically chumi gyatse falls or more specifically they want to counter our advantage on tulung la ridgeline

 

[mist_consecutive]

interesting bit of info that govt hid.

LAC in galwan was not at pp14 but further outside.

another patrol point pp14a was also there , both inside buffer zone .

ajay shukla got a lot of hate for this but he was rite .

Govt wont give full details , will take a few months to figure out what the actual new patrol agreement really is .

Indian & Chinese troops start disengagement at Depsang. What the LAC pact entails

It allows the resumption of patrolling as it was in April 2020. This includes not just Depsang & Demchok but also northern banks of Pangong Tso, Gogra Hot Springs area & Galwan Valley.

theprint.in

In the Galwan area, Indian troops used to patrol mainly only till PP14, which is near the Y-junction in the valley. The Y-junction is the area where the Galwan River makes a sharp turn towards its meeting point with the Shyok River.

Sources said that this point is about 1.5 kilometres short of the Line of Actual Control (LAC), from where PP14A is 500 metres short.

This is the case, refer to my this post -> https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/indo-china-border-lac.14/post-47637

PP14 is the helipad we tried to build at the bend. PP14A is ahead (towards Chinese side) the point till where we tried to claim land (you also pointed out that LAC was actually at PP14A ahead of the Galwan bend).

Basically we will patrol till the opposite bank of PP14.

Is that a new area, or area patrolled by Chinese before?

This area, to be exact - 28.451475313527904, 93.1667301221839

Patrolled (and claimed) by both China & India.

Ok specifically chumi gyatse falls or more specifically they want to counter our advantage on tulung la ridgeline

Details are scarce, but we will get to know slowly.

 

[Azaad]

History must not repeat, I hope this isn't the repeat of 62.
Everything is cool till we keep pushing infra development in the frontiers.

In 1962 we weren't prepared in the least. RN we're half prepared. Infrastructure development will continue yet minus proportional preparations in all the other areas , they don't carry much weight & it's in the latter our preparations aren't amounting to much.

We still have time to address the issue. Around 5 years give or take.

 

[Ultraman]

This is the case, refer to my this post -> https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/indo-china-border-lac.14/post-47637

PP14 is the helipad we tried to build at the bend. PP14A is ahead (towards Chinese side) the point till where we tried to claim land (you also pointed out that LAC was actually at PP14A ahead of the Galwan bend).

Basically we will patrol till the opposite bank of PP14.



This area, to be exact - 28.451475313527904, 93.1667301221839

Patrolled (and claimed) by both China & India.



Details are scarce, but we will get to know slowly.

hmm maybe i am reading ti wrong , this is what article says

Sources said that this point is about 1.5 kilometres short of the Line of Actual Control (LAC), from where PP14A is 500 metres short.

pp14 is near y junction , lac is 1.5km from y junction , pp14a is 500m before lac .

 

[hurrians]

"Because Xi decided it was time to release China’s four-year-long pressure on India, while applying pressure afresh on Indonesia."

Xi’s plan for Asia-Pacific isn’t working. Rudd knows why

China’s foreign policy often appears contradictory. But according to the former PM, it’s part of a broader strategy.

www.smh.com.au

But there was an Australian pm who opened up to china , withdrew from ex Malabar.

Anyway the entire threat of china is sustained by western alliance ( inc korea ,Japan and TAIWAN....) They funded and handholded Chinese rise ,all so called manufacturing prowess is western provided.


While China is a economic and military industrial powerhouse the concept of 7 foot Chinaman is wrong.

"A host of its officers, including the former Defence Minister Gen Li Shangfu, were summarily sacked for alleged corruption.

Gen Li headed the Rocket Force before he was elevated to the post of Defence Minister by Xi, who later sacked him.


His successor, Gen Li Yuchao, who assumed the role of its commander in 2022, was also removed following graft charges.

In July this year, the ruling Communist Party announced the anti-corruption investigation against Gen Sun Jinming, who headed the Rocket Force.

At least seven past or serving senior military officials from the PLA's Rocket Force faced anti-corruption probes since last year"

Xi Jinping inspects much purged Rocket Force; calls for strengthening deterrence capabilities

Chinese President Xi Jinping visited the PLA's Rocket Force, which faced a significant corruption purge. He urged the troops to strengthen their capabilities and fulfil tasks given by the CPC. The Rocket Force, established in 2015, is central to China's military and operates powerful missiles...

m.economictimes.com

 

[ezsasa]

"Because Xi decided it was time to release China’s four-year-long pressure on India, while applying pressure afresh on Indonesia."

Xi’s plan for Asia-Pacific isn’t working. Rudd knows why

China’s foreign policy often appears contradictory. But according to the former PM, it’s part of a broader strategy.

www.smh.com.au

But there was an Australian pm who opened up to china , withdrew from ex Malabar.

that aussie pm is kevin rudd, same guy named in that article, now aussie ambassador to U.S.
basically aussies sent a chini proxy as their ambassador to U.S.

 

[hurrians]

"The scale of the problem meant that when the party’s all-important third plenary session vowed in July to continue President Xi Jinping’s signature anti-corruption campaign, political charlatans were named as a target."

former justice minister Fu Zhenghua who was jailed for life in 2022 for corruption.


Despite being the second most powerful man in China’s police force, Fu was manipulated for 20 years by a political charlatan, according to a 2021 report by state broadcaster CCTV.


“Anyone with a normal thought process and logical reasoning” would not have believed that a man with only a technical school education could be an expert and high-level adviser to the leadership as he claimed, CCTV reported.


“However, Fu Zhenghua fell for it.”

Why do so many Chinese officials fall for fake promises of political charlatans?

Party insiders who should know better are being targeted by tricksters claiming connections and influence, despite crackdowns.

www.scmp.com

 

[Brood Father]

I knew there was something fishy , China would never agree to a deal when negotiating from stronger side ..
Question is why have we done this "arrangement" ? Were we bleeding money or we realized China is better friend than foe or army realized that we need more time for prep before making a move.

We will get all answers in due time ..