Indo-China Border & LAC

[karn]

A deal would mean either Ukraine giving up some territory

Either the Russian army is back before 2022.

Which side do you think will back down?

I don't have to think .. simply watch the joint statements of trump/Harris with zelensky a month back . Trump says end the war .. Harris says win the war .
Ending war would be a cease fire to begin with . Best case scenario for ukraine under trump is cease fire and frozen conflict. Worst case extra territory lost and ease of some of the sanctions.
If Harris wins the war will continue as is with perhaps some extra help.

 

[helin]

I don't have to think .. simply watch the joint statements of trump/Harris with zelensky a month back . Trump says end the war .. Harris says win the war .
Ending war would be a cease fire to begin with . Best case scenario for ukraine under trump is cease fire and frozen conflict. Worst case extra territory lost and ease of some of the sanctions.
If Harris wins the war will continue as is with perhaps some extra help.

Trump was also unable to persuade Ukraine and Europe to back down,

This war will continue until Putin falls.

 

[Blademaster]

Trump was also unable to persuade Ukraine and Europe to back down,

This war will continue until Putin falls.

Nope it will continue until Ukraine crumbles like a sack of dust.

 

[helin]

Nope it will continue until Ukraine crumbles like a sack of dust.

Both Russia and Ukraine are collapsing

 

[Blademaster]

Both Russia and Ukraine are collapsing

Really? Pray tell us how exactly is Russia collapsing?

 

[helin]

Really? Pray tell us how exactly is Russia collapsing?

It depends on whether ordinary Russians want to return to pre-2022 or continue with the present

 

[Blademaster]

It depends on whether ordinary Russians want to return to pre-2022 or continue with the present

 

[Blood+]

It depends on whether ordinary Russians want to return to pre-2022 or continue with the present

Dude, we are talking about a people who burned down their own capitol and carried on fighting till the eventual destruction of the Grand Army!! They will much rather die than capitulate to external pressure, as long as they think they have a shot at winning.

 

[mist_consecutive]

View: https://x.com/PTI_News/status/1851875497161937088


View: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1851895110251737453

 

[Bleh]

I did not say we "lost" 10,000 km land, buffer zone is our side, we lost, etc. etc. we are doomed. As of what agreement stands, we still have upper hand and advantage with disengagement & patrolling agreement.

Neither did I.

My point was very simple. India had established 65 patrolling points to ensure presence along OUR understanding of LAC (in red, which is quite a bit beyond the LAC you're used to seeing on international maps) access to 26 of which was blocked in 2020... A very simple question. How many of them we've regains access to? No more than 6 by my present understanding. You're welcome to prove me wrong. But until then it means that we've made no solid gains & the "buffer" areas mostly lie on our understanding of LAC even if it's only the Chinese are the ones pulling back, because they were originally on the west side of the red line enforcing the black-dotted LAC line! Which it isn't, because both are moving back. That's worse.

What have we conceded?.. we've let them in areas previously in our sole control to try to do another Galwan after 10 years.

I predicted exactly this even before these recent news were out. SO HOW WAS I WRONG?


We should be refusing to disengage until they moved back to 1959 pre-war seperation line (in blue) rejecting to recognise any line established by violence against us.

 

[Ultraman]

Neither did I.

My point was very simple. India had established 65 patrolling points to ensure presence along OUR understanding of LAC (in red, which is quite a bit beyond the LAC you're used to seeing on international maps) access to 26 of which was blocked in 2020... How many of them we've regains access to? No more than 6 by my present understanding. You're welcome to price me wrong.

What have we conceded?.. we've let them in areas previously in our sole control to try to do another Galwan after 10 years.

I predicted this even before these recent news were out. SO HOW WAS I WRONG?
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We should be refusing to disengage until they moved back to 1959 pre-war seperation line (in blue) rejecting to recognise any line established by violence against us.

@mist_consecutive is rite .

patrol points "pp" went into buffer zone , not rite to say it was blocked , only those in depsang were being blocked .

the blue line is never gonna happen , blue line at pangong tso lake is practically international border , no way they are gonna give it to us . same for rest of it north

 

[Bleh]

@mist_consecutive is rite .

patrol points "pp" went into buffer zone , not rite to say it was blocked , only those in depsang were being blocked .

the blue line is never gonna happen , blue line at pangong tso lake is practically international border , no way they are gonna give it to us . same for rest of it north

Depsand had only PP-10 to PP-13... That's 4 out of 26, ifffff we're getting access to them.

Hot-Spring areas have PP-15 to PP-23. There the engagements were at out PPs. Meaning any disengagement will cause us to lose access to our patrolling points along our LAC.

 

[Ultraman]

Depsand had only PP-10 to PP-13... That's 4 out of 26.

How spring areas have PP-15 to PP-23.
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ajay shukla's map . pp15 is marked wrong

place where pp19 is marked , there is a chinese border post . been there since 2004

i dont know where pp19 - pp 20 etc are . but looks like ajay got it wrong here


just go to https://earth.google.com/

type in "34.331054 , 79.110287" in search bar

click circle icon , that gives u access to satellite image by date , very good resource

 

[Roshan]

we don't even know what exactly triggered this escalation in the first place, it's been four years.

View: https://youtu.be/O4ZhXg-V7N0?si=0y4A2dR3DXW1HXJF
DBO highway is a good guess, we only started seriously building any infra near the LAC around 2012 after Murricans asked us to do so. It looks like Chinks don't want to worry about this fron for the time being.

 

[ezsasa]

View: https://youtu.be/O4ZhXg-V7N0?si=0y4A2dR3DXW1HXJF
DBO highway is a good guess, we only started seriously building any infra near the LAC around 2012 after Murricans asked us to do so. It looks like Chinks don't want to worry about this fron for the time being.

that's the theory i subscribe to as well, but it is one of many theories floating around and that's the issue. there is equal probability that Xi is not in control of some sections of his forces and the real target of this escalation is Xi, it's a theory.

not knowing why exactly a neighbouring country decided to convert a military training exercise to a conflict which lead to deaths is not a good place to be.

 

[MasterChief]

Both Russia and Ukraine are collapsing

Ok.. then Germany in recession since 2 years has already collapsed..

 

[Bleh]

ajay shukla's map . pp15 is marked wrong

place where pp19 is marked , there is a chinese border post . been there since 2004

i dont know where pp19 - pp 20 etc are . but looks like ajay got it wrong here


just go to https://earth.google.com/

type in "34.331054 , 79.110287" in search bar

click circle icon , that gives u access to satellite image by date , very good resource

Maybe... I remember PP14, PP15 & PP17 were mentioned as flashpoints in the Galwan clash.

 

[mist_consecutive]

@Bleh I will give you detailed reply tomorrow.

 

[mist_consecutive]

View: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1851965497148932147

Chinese clearing the air that this friendship - border agreement is temporary.

 

[bakofbakchod]

I wonder how many months before the next salami slice by chinks. I give it 4 months