Indo China Relations
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Hua to hua has gone international. Levity apart , Sana Hashmi - a Mandarin speaker & China expert based in Taiwan , provides us with a very nuanced view of what a cross section in China thinks about India apart from the CCP .
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China Piles the Pressure on India in Its Own Backyard
Over the past decade, China has built up economic and military ties across the Indian Ocean. The region holds 40% of the world’s offshore oil and four of the most important maritime chokepoints.
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Apparently the US is basing its personnel in the A&N Islands as per this Bloomberg article.
Huge development IMO , if true.
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China is trying to kneecap Indian manufacturing - Asia Times
Under President Donald Trump, the United States is hard at work destroying its place in the world economy. But in the rest of the world, globalization is
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The Han seem to think not only can they frame our policies for us but heavenly mandate is such that the mere hint of friendship with the middle kingdom will confer upon India great largesse from the US.
Mao Keji on Trump, India and the World in 2049 (Part 2)
Exclusive Interview with Up-and-Coming NDRC Analyst Mao Keji (毛克疾)www.sinification.com
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@rockdog @helin its coming true chinebros
we can finally be frends
Hence , India should keep the boundary dispute aside , recognise what a great power China is & perform the kowtow .
I'm often amazed by people who think they're the smartest person in the room not so much for the way they think & carry themselves but coz they think everyone else in the room is a fool. I've also seen such people come crashing down sooner rather than later from the rarefied heights they inhabit.
Zhongguo hasn't caught on to the fact that while the old isn't dead yet , the young also isn't yet born . When the news breaks unto the Han it'd be too late indeed.
idk anon. you may not agree with the way this gentleman framed it but i think he is right on the direction of ties.
if your goal is securing your shipping in the indian ocean the math is simple from their perspective
USA is their primary enemy
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Hundreds throng Beijing’s Vasant Mela as India, China look to normalise ties
This year’s Mela had shades of India-China bonhomie as Liu Jinsong, Director General of Asia and India’s point man in the Chinese Foreign Ministry took part in the event.
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I've never heard of any Indian interested in Chinese art forms except Kung Fu if that qualifies as an art form nor any Indian learning any classical Chinese dance or singing like in the Chinese opera etc .
Yet the Chinese seem very curious about Indian art forms to the extent that there are Chinese youth & children leaning these art forms unlike India where nobody's interested in similar activities . Why do you suppose this is so ?
Besides why does the CCP think either GoI or the people here think acts like these would normalise Indo China relations ? What is the assessment of the MSS in this regard ? @rockdog
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That assessment seems to conclude Trump's not as interested or invested in Indo Pacific as much as the Biden administration was.
The jury's open on whether the Biden administration goaded Putin into the war on Ukraine while keeping up the pretence of being tough on China thus diverting the world's especially the US's attention to Russia which otherwise would've been focussed on China.
There's another school of thought which suggests that in order to prevent Russia from associating with China when the Taiwan issue heats up , the US entrapped Russia into the war in Ukraine .
We should bear in mind the last time Biden was part of the US administration as a VP he was known by Washington insiders as China Joe for the reconciliatory stance he took vis a vis China. His son Hunter Biden was long compromised for his dealings with the CCP & their associates. All these are known & undisputed facts.
Time will tell which of these was the correct assesment. However what time tells us is till date the only President who's cracked the whip on China calling it an adversary in the same mould as the former USSR & act on it was Trump in his last Presidency while his predecessors largely paid lip service to the issue notably Obummer.
For all we know , the emphasis Trump is laying on closure to the war on Ukraine is to prepare the US for the single biggest challenge it has faced in its entire existence or if not that then certainly the biggest one this century & for a long time since the USSR collapsed.
India & China can never reconcile their differences . That boat sailed in the 2000s. The Chinese knew so long ago . We discovered that in 2020 though there were ample signals before that which we failed to take cognizance of.
The gap between in the perception of which way our relationship should be heading has now acquired the proportions of an unbridgable chasm. This is no longer a mere boundary issue or even restricted to the water sharing issue or even Tibet .
It's now become a question of who's going to be the paramount economy in Asia & the world & with that who'd be the paramount power in Asia & the world.
For China to emerge unchallenged India must fall or fall in line & for India to rise & take its rightful place in the premier economies of the world & consequently as one of the premier powers of the world , China has to be either checked or it must fall. That's one of the lessons India's internalised since Galwan .
Too bad we don't seem to be acting on it as far as military preparedness goes even as we're building up the border infrastructure at a furious pace.
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Vikram Gokhale ex FS identifies one of the reasons the Chinese undertook what they did in the summer of 2020 including Galwan was to probe India's response to Chinese aggression including the preparedness of the IA .
It's very interesting for the ex FS to have made this observation for this is the first time I'm coming across this PoV.
It also harkens back to what a military strategist from a bygone era - Ravi Rikhye highlighted in his submission 2 decades ago if not more on the same topic arguing that the Chinese would make a couple of probing attempts before launching their definitive campaign .
However what I find as interesting if not more is the total non cognizance of the fact that our actions in J&K in August 2019 provoked the Chinese into the events of 2020 , something which quite a few avid China watching veterans alluded to .
It can't be an ex FS is unaware of these dimensions while analysing the reasons for the " Chinese misadventure " across the LAC .
I suspect he's doing what every bureaucrat worth his salt is doing - covering up his behind for this has been a consistent blind spot with our foreign policy establishment , something which both the MEA & the China Study Group (originally envisaged to be a body outside the purview & influence of the MEA directly under the control of the PMO to provide an independent assessment of China but later successfully infiltrated by the MEA to become more or less an echo chamber for the MEA policies ) failed to predict for they never really considered the possibility of the Chinese using all these agreements we signed with them as a ruse to buy time before prosecuting what the latter considered their legitimate claim over the disputed region.
They have consistently refused to consider or evaluate Chinese interest or involvement in the Kashmir issue & our decisions on its future affecting the larger geo strategic & geo political environment including its repercussions on our ties with China & thereby the world especially the US led west , since our relationship with the Chinese soured over Aksai Chin.
This also finds reflection in the now infamous interview of Lt Gen ( retd) P. RaviShankar who hemmed & hawed his way through when asked why wasn't ATAGS considered for deployment across the LAC.
Simple answer - the IA never envisaged such a role for it for their threat perception was guided by our MEA babooos on it . Hence deterrence by denial not by deterrence of capabilities & capacities . In many ways we're still continuing in the same vein in spite of the " truth having dawned on us " post Galwan.
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It seems everyone and their kutta has a militia working for their NatSec.
We don't build our own in any significant number. Why should we be the only ones who keep risking our well trained soldiers to put down what are basically low quality cannon fodder.
Refusal of the government to start forming serious militias with outlined agendas has been costing us dearly and will continue to unless the government decides to fix this issue.
Indian govt must start with uyghur,tibetian and other antichina mujhahideen
Interesting video, Carl was trying understand Indian logical to explain india china relation.
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Who the fuck is interested in propaganda by an MSS stooge ? And what humiliation is that descendant of Japanese from Nanjing talking about ?
The fact that CCP hasn't announced all those KIA in Galwan revealing names like a strip tease artist one at a time every few months or the fact that your junk has been called out for failing in crucial moments during Operation Sindoor & since you can't admit it , you try to turn tables by attempting to find out faults with the other party ?
If the HD ADS systems were performing their jobs all those air bases wouldn't have been attacked by India nor would the PAF be missing in action after the night of 7th May or the PL-15 be found in India in pristine condition that too multiple copies of it .
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Saurav Jha & Sriram Thyagarajan discuss the what a two front war would look like .
He's just woken up to the possibility of a 2 front war & is lamenting the absolute lack of seriousness on the part of our government or sense of urgency with respect to procurement & the procedures surrounding it .
Frankly I don't quite share his assessment for a 2 front war. Given the formidable challenge we'd face when we go up against China there's no way we can handle a two front war.
What this means is we either handle Paxtan now permanently neutralising their assets like I was suggesting before the onset of Operation Sindoor or we prepare to alter our N doctrine by insertion of a clause such that in case of a two front war the NFU would be suspended .
That'd be enough for all shalwars to turn brown in Pindi & remain that way for brown shalwars know that this change in our N doctrine would be exclusively aimed at them . Enough to dissuade them permanently from opening up a second front.
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