Israel x Iran Conflict (152 Viewers)

[Azaad]

Threadwala has like 20 tweets but doesn't make it cnationalachivthe jooz/us will stop the Iranis from acquiring the bomb?

One member pages ago was saying their facilities are 50 meters under mountains made of volcanic rock and big bombs of B2 bombers can't destroy those.

imo one way they could do this is a regime change in Eyeran and then the new regime signs a ((( deal ))) where they voluntarily relinquish nukes and production capabilities a la Ukraine/South Africa/Kazakhstan

For that the mullah regime has to be weakened, they will need a lot more assassinations etc for that.

For Irani proles the truth is an excellent narrative to overthrow the mullahs that this is an unnecessary conflict and the Iranis have no intrinsic quarrel with the Israelis apart from the made up udta teer grouse of "muh Poliostinians being oppressed", so if mullahs are removed, the Iranis will not get bombed, nor would they be sanctioned and stunted in nationala development.

Idea is repeatedly bombing the said sites with what you have till you achieve a breakthrough.

The other option I believe is to keep hunting for SAMs & TELs scattered across the country manifested in the latter firing missiles every night into Israel.

The idea is eventually to establish air supremacy instead of air superiority by sanitizing the ground & thereby the air space above , then borrow the GBU -57 from the US , modify the C-130 or C-130J to carry this & execute their mission for the C-130 & C-130J has the range just not the speed & obviously the stealth meaning it'd need escorts but carrying out such a mission now would be fraught with risks.

Alternatively the US could get involved though that would prompt Iran to open up the war by targeting the oil facilities of the Gulf Sheikhdoms thereby spiking up oil prices the world over sparking off a global crisis. Also Iran's best bet towards ending this war ASAP.

 

[Migflug]

>Cyprus
>Israel/WB/Gaza/Golan
>Azharbaijan's Arstakh

All marked clearly as disputed areas, but pura Kashmir diya hai Pakistan ko

If more Rafales are bought, media sensitization must be a condition we add

The whole Western world and our "ALLIED PARTNERS" need to be given a KT on Indian maps, and if they insist on showing Kashmir as Pakistani territory, then we will act accordingly!!
If it's shown as disputed, it's fine, but full sovereignty given to Pakistan should not be acceptable!!

 

[ezsasa]

View: https://x.com/detresfa_/status/1934608516095901932

Da Jooz aren't endearing themselves to the Irani plebs by doing such things

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Remarkable that pakistani top military leader Munir is in US as neighbouring Iran, with whom it has 'brotherly' ties is in conflict. India, Afghanistan have expressed concerns over pakistan's destabilizing role. Pakistan's pivot away from the region shows itself in different shapes & forms.


View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1934606733131055590

Army chief Munir in Washington for high-level talks​

https://www.dawn.com/news/1917414

24-Feb-2022

 

[concard]

Regular testing from batches in storage is routine for all such countries with such inventories though I doubt we test as much as the Chinese. This could well be the function of us not possessing the kind of inventories the Chinese do.

I suspect the Chinese are also more rigorous about it as compared to the others. Could also be a case of older batches being equipped with liquid propellants which have lower shelf life & unstable as compared to BMs with solid propellants, though I'm not sure about this methodology the Chinese use.

Hope somebody with more insight in to the matter comments.

10 years ago, I did read about that the fact that their ballistic missiles were using liquid propellants. It takes time to launch liquid propellant rockets. Handling liquid propellants comes with lot of risks in itself. One can understand why they moved away from liquid propellant rockets. However, testing for the heck of it is a complete waste of resources. When you fire a rocket it is gone, you use it once and then discard it. Unless, there is a solid reason like you stated with shelf life, I don't see any reason for that many tests.

I remember our rocket GSLV MK2, after few failed attempts our scientists went back to the drawing board. Because they knew exactly the problem with MK2 they fixed it and made it a successful satellite vehicle platform. Rocket technology is relatively speaking more easier than Jet Engine propulsion technology. Jet Engine needs to work many times and must have a life of 20 years at the minimum. So it needs lot of tests and certifications. I still think we don't have much information with respect to their rockets. Back in 2010, many CCP shills on defense forums were making tall claims like DF-10 being able to hit American aircraft carrier which is a moving target. Sure, they might have progressed today but much information to go on.

 

[Muzh]

iran has hypersonic missiles? damn then i am sure india would have built it a decade ago, the raw would have kept it a secret then

Any ballistic missile that has a range of 2K+ is going to go in space first. Then, it will travel towards the target. Once it approaches the target, it reenters the atmosphere. At this point, the missile is heading straight down, sort of like a nosedive; so its velocity is boosted by gravity and its rocket engine; because of this the missile acquires what is called a +g acceleration; this is what results in hypersonic velocity. These types of missiles are only hypersonic during the nosedive phase aka terminal phase.

There are three phases to a ballistic missile's journey, one, boost phase, second, midcourse phase, three terminal phase. Below is a useful link that can give you more information:

The 3 Major Phases of Effective Missile Defense Systems

In this post, we take a look at measures that are being taken to combat ballistic missile threats.

www.mwrf.com

The true hypersonic missiles do not generally enter space. They acquire hypersonic velocity towards the end of the boost phase. This hypersonic velocity is purely powered by the rocket engine. This type of missiles remain hypersonic throughout the flight -- once the hypersonic velocity is acquired towards the end of the boost phase.

India has an impressive arsenal of IRBMs and few ICBMs as well. All these missiles are hypersonic in their terminal phase.

 

[Azaad]

10 years ago, I did read about that the fact that their ballistic missiles were using liquid propellants. It takes time to launch liquid propellant rockets. Handling liquid propellants comes with lot of risks in itself. One can understand why they moved away from liquid propellant rockets. However, testing for the heck of it is a complete waste of resources. When you fire a rocket it is gone, you use it once and then discard it. Unless, there is a solid reason like you stated with shelf life, I don't see any reason for that many tests.

I remember our rocket GSLV MK2, after few failed attempts our scientists went back to the drawing board. Because they knew exactly the problem with MK2 they fixed it and made it a successful satellite vehicle platform. Rocket technology is relatively speaking more easier than Jet Engine propulsion technology. Jet Engine needs to work many times and must have a life of 20 years at the minimum. So it needs lot of tests and certifications. I still think we don't have much information with respect to their rockets. Back in 2010, many CCP shills on defense forums were making tall claims like DF-10 being able to hit American aircraft carrier which is a moving target. Sure, they might have progressed today but much information to go on.

Could also be messaging. Chinese are masters of psy ops. So you kill two birds with one stone.

You use up your liquid propellant BMs which you'd have to replace even otherwise under the pretext of tests & send a message across.

Bean counters would be stunned at the amount of tests & rush to rework their calculations of just how many BMs China has in its inventory as well as re estimate their production capacities.

Truth be told we don't know.

 

[redpanda]

Threadwala has like 20 tweets but doesn't make it clear how the jooz/us will stop the Iranis from acquiring the bomb?

One member pages ago was saying their facilities are 50 meters under mountains made of volcanic rock and big bombs of B2 bombers can't destroy those.

imo one way they could do this is a regime change in Eyeran and then the new regime signs a ((( deal ))) where they voluntarily relinquish nukes and production capabilities a la Ukraine/South Africa/Kazakhstan

For that the mullah regime has to be weakened, they will need a lot more assassinations etc for that.

For Irani proles the truth is an excellent narrative to overthrow the mullahs that this is an unnecessary conflict and the Iranis have no intrinsic quarrel with the Israelis apart from the made up udta teer grouse of "muh Poliostinians being oppressed", so if mullahs are removed, the Iranis will not get bombed, nor would they be sanctioned and stunted in national development.

USA's GBU-57U can actually destroy those. But they need to drop half a dozen of that to even make a small hole.
If they drop like 20-30 of those at a precise location, what will happen is it will cause seismic activities underground causing a lot of damage inside those facilities. But Israel don't have access to those bombs. Nor they have means to drop it. USA is being a bit too cautious about using those bombers. Because Iran still has SAMs hidden somewhere. Let's see whether murica will use its stealth bombers to drop those big bombs in dozens or not.

 

[shade2]

Remarkable that pakistani top military leader Munir is in US as neighbouring Iran, with whom it has 'brotherly' ties is in conflict. India, Afghanistan have expressed concerns over pakistan's destabilizing role. Pakistan's pivot away from the region shows itself in different shapes & forms.


View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1934606733131055590

Army chief Munir in Washington for high-level talks​

https://www.dawn.com/news/1917414

24-Feb-2022

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Still you'll find their mullahs and bots online ball-lifting all the Paapistani causes including Cashmere and buslam khatre me hai

Assim Pooneer is there on business, he's not there to tour America

 

[MehtaSu]

View: https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1934622712715984936

 

[Muzh]

That does demonstrate their production capability. But why does one require so many ballistic missile tests? You can argue they are different missiles with different ranges. But the principle of all missiles are the same. We test our missiles to confirm certain parameters like CEP, it's altitude profile, INS/GPS systems, gyroscopes etc. In case, we are replacing gimbal gyroscope with Laser ring gyroscopes then it's likely we will test the missile again. But there is no point in testing a missile many times just to confirm the range.

Do we need to test our mature missiles like Prithvi, Agni series, or even cruise missiles like even after demonstrating they are working as per our expectations? What is that they are testing in their missiles that require so many tests I wonder?

Good question! Let us see if we can hash the answer ourselves.

Let us list all the key test parameters for a ballistic missile. See the list below after this paragraph. I have colored the testing justifications in red which appear right underneath successive test parameters.

Payload Mass (mp): The weight of the warhead and other components delivered by the missile.
If the missile needs to be redesigned to carry a bigger bomb.

Range: The distance the missile can travel, which is influenced by payload mass and other factors.
Range can be effected by host of different changes including need for bigger payload.

Launch Azimuth: The angle of the missile's initial trajectory relative to north.
If you need to test a new SAM defeating tactic.

Altitude: The height at which the missile is launched and its trajectory profile.
This type of testing is necessary for radar evasion planning.

Angle of Attack: The angle between the missile's longitudinal axis and the direction of its velocity vector.
This is vital for accuracy.

Speed: Ballistic missiles can travel at supersonic to hypersonic speeds, significantly faster than cruise missiles.
Speed is the bread and butter of any ballistic missile.

Guidance System: The accuracy of the missile's guidance system is a critical test parameter, often measured by its Circular Error Probable (CEP).
This one is self explanatory. You want to hit the bull's-eye.

Propulsion: The performance of the missile's engines and fuel system is crucial for achieving desired range and speed.
This is necessary for making sure propulsion can generate sufficient thurst.

 

[trombone]

View: https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1934622712715984936

This is the new wider gaza, with double tap strikes.
what a fall!

 

[Magadha Naresh]

This is the new wider gaza, with double tap strikes.
what a fall!

I saw on telegram, in various Iranian GCs they are not at all delusional like the inbreds next to us .
They are openly criticising, every one responsible .
Apart from that, they recognise their flaws, they did before this also.
Their biggest grouse against the govt is ,not having a decent airforce, and instead focusing on ballistic missiles.

 

[Cheepek]

View: https://x.com/HPhobiaWatch/status/1934631856508449008?t=q9jiF1wSo-zTH1lA2rpRLw&s=19

 

[Magadha Naresh]

There are some humorous ones too.
Like one user was suggesting that ziaonists will attack a city called sanandaj next , a user from sanandaj replied " why will they attack sanandaj, what have we got here, apart from a chewing factory, 2 basij checkposts, with 2 guards each for an army Garrison and a single yearly flight to Tehran !.
The whole town depends on the chewing gum factory for work, and the guards at the checkposts stand there half asleep, without uniform most of the time "
@shade2

 

[Muzh]

Threadwala has like 20 tweets but doesn't make it clear how the jooz/us will stop the Iranis from acquiring the bomb?

One member pages ago was saying their facilities are 50 meters under mountains made of volcanic rock and big bombs of B2 bombers can't destroy those.

imo one way they could do this is a regime change in Eyeran and then the new regime signs a ((( deal ))) where they voluntarily relinquish nukes and production capabilities a la Ukraine/South Africa/Kazakhstan

For that the mullah regime has to be weakened, they will need a lot more assassinations etc for that.

For Irani proles the truth is an excellent narrative to overthrow the mullahs that this is an unnecessary conflict and the Iranis have no intrinsic quarrel with the Israelis apart from the made up udta teer grouse of "muh Poliostinians being oppressed", so if mullahs are removed, the Iranis will not get bombed, nor would they be sanctioned and stunted in national development.

No conventional bomb will be able to take out a nuclear facility which is 50 meters below the base of metamorphic rock and is fortified with concrete. Even a nuclear strike will not do the job unless multiple nuclear bombs are used -- even then I am doubtful. What it will achieve, it will temporarily render these facilities inaccessible.

People tend to think that nuclear bombs can destroy anything. That is not true. For most mountains, nuclear bombs are nothing but firecrackers.

 

[MehtaSu]

View: https://x.com/HPhobiaWatch/status/1934631856508449008?t=q9jiF1wSo-zTH1lA2rpRLw&s=19

This is epic!

 

[shade2]

I saw on telegram, in various Iranian GCs they are not at all delusional like the inbreds next to us .
They are openly criticising, every one responsible .
Apart from that, they recognise their flaws, they did before this also.
Their biggest grouse against the govt is ,not having a decent airforce, and instead focusing on ballistic missiles.

When you base your national security doctrine on chootiya assumptions that your jihadi proxies are enough and invincible, that the other side dare not attack you because of BM or "we will close the hormuz inshallah"

Yahi hota hai.

There is no substitute for conventional military capabilities, your country may be a fortress geographically but it won't stop Jewish and American pigeons from taking explosive dumps on it

 

[MasterChief]

Remarkable that pakistani top military leader Munir is in US as neighbouring Iran, with whom it has 'brotherly' ties is in conflict. India, Afghanistan have expressed concerns over pakistan's destabilizing role. Pakistan's pivot away from the region shows itself in different shapes & forms.


View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1934606733131055590

Army chief Munir in Washington for high-level talks​

https://www.dawn.com/news/1917414

24-Feb-2022

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You just have Hina Rabbani Khar her own medicine . Anyway . Pakistan will be destabilized in an all out Iran war..with lot of refugees.. Good time for RAAW

 

[MasterChief]

Irani Door darshan..


View: https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1934630263151018424?t=NecZOU8r8UX2Pb0pSUaxcw&s=19

 

[spikey360]

I saw on telegram, in various Iranian GCs they are not at all delusional like the inbreds next to us .
They are openly criticising, every one responsible .
Apart from that, they recognise their flaws, they did before this also.
Their biggest grouse against the govt is ,not having a decent airforce, and instead focusing on ballistic missiles.

I feel Iran will have a breakthrough, now or one year hence into the conflict.
They'll teach Israel a lesson worth remembering. (I just hope it's a military lesson and not one like 7th October under the belt hits on innocent civilians)