Israel x Iran Conflict (39 Viewers)

Also members need to be a bit smart here with the information you see on net. Many reports were posted here talking about how the facilities are intact and there are some lesser know facilities still active in Iran with the most promoted and low iq cope being materials were moved out of the facilities beforehand as if the Israelis and Americans never knew.

Do people even realise the scale at which CIA operates. Gone are the day of Indian nuclear tests catching them by surprise. I mean sure a country dedicated enough will hide certain elements but those satellite images of trucks moving out of fordow you think it was osnit wala who made this discovery like cmon.

Fact is Israel and the US will continue finding certain amount of Uranium in Iran to keep their options and reasons open for retaliation and regime change.

CIA was operating in Belarus from early 2000’s almost a decade at regime change before Putin literally sent troops to save his ally.

Unfortunately for him Ukraine was a project in works from literally ww1. It sounds insane but yes it’s true. It was originally started by hasburgs and picked up by various countries who were against Russia as per convenience. Unfortunately for Russians US finally succeeded with the maiden coup.

Same goes for kazakh where Putin again was forced to sent troops. He saved his ally but that guy got the message and is more neutral now.

These projects work on scales and timelines where a couple of decades could pass with people who laid the foundation even retiring on the way.

Do not believe the US media and cabinet cope about functional sites and uranium that we can’t track. They know it and they will use the reason at a time when it benefits them the most as a lie to attack again.

The sites were destroyed accepting them leaves no opening for a attack so there will always be some more uranium in the wild in Iran.
 
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sunnyv said:
They have not taken into account Stunner , Tamir interceptions of David Sling, Iron Dome and Patriot
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Yeah I know, these are mainly Endo-atmospheric ones. But only around ~100 Exo-atmospheric [Arrows & THAAD] when facing 400-450 BM attack seems less to me.
 
Vinash said:
A Mullah regime in power in Iran with no nukes is the ideal situation from India's interests POV.

There are 3 scenarios how this can play out-

1) If America does a regime change and succeeds, the new leader whoever it be will be pro-US and projects including the North-South Transport corridor connecting India to Russia via Iran will be in jeopardy.

2) If Iran gets nukes, it'll be bad. No Muslim country even ones that are friendly to us should ever have nukes. Yeah the current generation of leaders might be friendly to us but there's no guarantee that the next gen won't be Islamist monkeys. This applies to all Islamic nations including UAE.

3) Iran's nuclear capabilities get destroyed and the mullah regime continues to rule without nukes.

For India, scenario no 3 is by far the best. Both 1 and 2 are bad for us in different ways.
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The prospect of Iran developing a nuclear bomb means it's only a matter of time before terrorist organizations like Hezbollah or the Houthis acquire them. If these groups somehow obtain atomic weapons, there is a high likelihood that others, such as the TTP, Al-Qaeda, LeT, or Hizbul Mujahideen, could also gain access.
 
https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...opyURL&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ht_site


The Brics issued the statement on Tuesday to say that the military strikes amounted to a violation of international law and the UN Charter​


A little more than a week after disassociating itself from a statement by the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) condemning Israel’s attacks on Iran, India joined other members of Brics in expressing grave concern at the military strikes on Iran and the escalation of the security situation in the Middle East.


My sympathies for yahoodi supporters.
 
angryindian said:
The prospect of Iran developing a nuclear bomb means it's only a matter of time before terrorist organizations like Hezbollah or the Houthis acquire them
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Clearly you don't understand the kind of resources nations use to build a bomb and what kind of security is undertaken even by rogue nations like North Korea and Pakistan to protect these assets.
 
spikey360 said:
https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...opyURL&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ht_site


The Brics issued the statement on Tuesday to say that the military strikes amounted to a violation of international law and the UN Charter​


A little more than a week after disassociating itself from a statement by the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) condemning Israel’s attacks on Iran, India joined other members of Brics in expressing grave concern at the military strikes on Iran and the escalation of the security situation in the Middle East.


My sympathies for yahoodi supporters.
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Yogi wouldn't have done this. Just the pussy footed babus like Modi
 
JConline said:
Chill tf out, folks.

If you think Israel is all virtuous, you're wrong.
If you think Iran is all virtuous, you're wrong.

Israel and the Jewish people have been the target of Islamist Jihad for millennia now, so I completely agree that they have a right to protect themselves. However, this conflict that just took place was nothing but an orchestrated war where the Jewish population of Israel was never on anyone's mind. The Israeli government carried out this attack for two reasons. One is for Netanyahu to be able to retain his power because, contrary to what the Western media shows, Netanyahu's escapades in Gaza have brought down his popularity among the Jews quite a bit. He needed decisive action and a show of immeasurable force against the Islamists to win back the favour of his people. The other reason is to rally support and funding from the US deep state that earns money largely from the military-industrial complex and energy sectors. I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow a report is published that lists a bunch of US senators and businessmen who shorted oil, gas, logistics stocks, and reinvested in defence stocks. I suspect that Netanyahu might have sold the idea of a regime change to get these people on board. Trump must've vetoed that (he did veto the assassination of Khamenei) because then the Nobel Peace Prize he's after would surely be a goner. Btw, Trump's reason to start wars and then try to negotiate peace deals has to be the stupidest reason any US president has ever started a War. What a fucking child!

Iran, while an Islamist nation that is a legitimate threat to Israel, still has the right to protect itself from unilateral Israeli aggression, which was this Op Rising Lion. If anything, Israel's war-mongering now makes Iran's case for nuclear weapons even stronger and will possibly push the Islamist regime to develop them with more haste and with added assistance from anti-West powers. Iran now also knows that, however strong the allied AD of Israel, the US, and NATO is, they are still incredibly vulnerable to concentration attacks. Mind you, there isn't any OSINT info on what level of damage the military and strategic installations of Israel took. Indeed, Iran's intentions of nuclear proliferation are mostly aimed at Israel, but from Iran's PoV, Israel is backed by major nuclear powers, that is, if Israel doesn't have its own nukes. Therefore, it is only plausible that Iran has its own nuclear deterrence. Imho, Iran as a nuclear power is a much safer prospect for the world than Pakistan being a nuclear power.

We need to stop fighting this game of sides because that is exactly what the propagandists on both sides want. The logical thing to do is to understand the outcomes of this conflict from the Indian perspective, one that is most relevant to this forum. Israel is an important defence and tech partner for India, while Iran is an important energy and logistics partner. Neither of them can be discounted. Khamenei's remaining in power is quite beneficial for India because, irrespective of his public stance on domestic issues, India has strategic ties with Iran that protect our energy interests quite a bit from US sanctions. Had the regime been toppled, we would have been at the mercy of Shell and whatnot. Netanyahu's newfound jingoism is also beneficial for us because it can be strategically used against Pakistan soon. Additionally, he and Trump falling out also gives us a golden opportunity to garner deeper cooperation with Israel, not only in a bilateral capacity, but in a benefactor capacity. The more such countries fall out with the West, the more India should invest in moving them away from the NATO nexus, because, dare I say it, there is a palpable global disdain for the West's hegemony even among some of the European powers. Everyone is tired of the right-wing bufoon and the left-wing jihadists. Geopolitically speaking, India is the safest bet and the only breath of fresh air out there for all these nations. The global south needs India to grow, and Western nations like France, Italy need India to remain relevant. India is emerging as essentially a modded version of 20th-century China. Why I say modded is because India not only provides cheap manufacturing to the world, but also is starting to play the role of middleman for products from sanctioned nations to be sold in the nations that placed these sanctions in the first place. Exactly, why Lindsey Graham is jumping for his "bunker-buster" bill. He and his pals are losing all their commissions. Well, I hope orangetan sings the bill. Russia, India, and China have already de-dollarized their bilateral trades. This bill will only push even Europe and other US allies to the negotiation table with India.
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"Russia, India, and China have already de-dollarized their bilateral trades. This bill will only push even Europe and other US allies to the negotiation table with India."

Who said this BS to you? If we are not using dollar to trade with China then what else are we using? Let FTA with EU conclude before popping the champagne.
 
JConline said:
Chill tf out, folks.

If you think Israel is all virtuous, you're wrong.
If you think Iran is all virtuous, you're wrong.

Israel and the Jewish people have been the target of Islamist Jihad for millennia now, so I completely agree that they have a right to protect themselves. However, this conflict that just took place was nothing but an orchestrated war where the Jewish population of Israel was never on anyone's mind. The Israeli government carried out this attack for two reasons. One is for Netanyahu to be able to retain his power because, contrary to what the Western media shows, Netanyahu's escapades in Gaza have brought down his popularity among the Jews quite a bit. He needed decisive action and a show of immeasurable force against the Islamists to win back the favour of his people. The other reason is to rally support and funding from the US deep state that earns money largely from the military-industrial complex and energy sectors. I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow a report is published that lists a bunch of US senators and businessmen who shorted oil, gas, logistics stocks, and reinvested in defence stocks. I suspect that Netanyahu might have sold the idea of a regime change to get these people on board. Trump must've vetoed that (he did veto the assassination of Khamenei) because then the Nobel Peace Prize he's after would surely be a goner. Btw, Trump's reason to start wars and then try to negotiate peace deals has to be the stupidest reason any US president has ever started a War. What a fucking child!

Iran, while an Islamist nation that is a legitimate threat to Israel, still has the right to protect itself from unilateral Israeli aggression, which was this Op Rising Lion. If anything, Israel's war-mongering now makes Iran's case for nuclear weapons even stronger and will possibly push the Islamist regime to develop them with more haste and with added assistance from anti-West powers. Iran now also knows that, however strong the allied AD of Israel, the US, and NATO is, they are still incredibly vulnerable to concentration attacks. Mind you, there isn't any OSINT info on what level of damage the military and strategic installations of Israel took. Indeed, Iran's intentions of nuclear proliferation are mostly aimed at Israel, but from Iran's PoV, Israel is backed by major nuclear powers, that is, if Israel doesn't have its own nukes. Therefore, it is only plausible that Iran has its own nuclear deterrence. Imho, Iran as a nuclear power is a much safer prospect for the world than Pakistan being a nuclear power.

We need to stop fighting this game of sides because that is exactly what the propagandists on both sides want. The logical thing to do is to understand the outcomes of this conflict from the Indian perspective, one that is most relevant to this forum. Israel is an important defence and tech partner for India, while Iran is an important energy and logistics partner. Neither of them can be discounted. Khamenei's remaining in power is quite beneficial for India because, irrespective of his public stance on domestic issues, India has strategic ties with Iran that protect our energy interests quite a bit from US sanctions. Had the regime been toppled, we would have been at the mercy of Shell and whatnot. Netanyahu's newfound jingoism is also beneficial for us because it can be strategically used against Pakistan soon. Additionally, he and Trump falling out also gives us a golden opportunity to garner deeper cooperation with Israel, not only in a bilateral capacity, but in a benefactor capacity. The more such countries fall out with the West, the more India should invest in moving them away from the NATO nexus, because, dare I say it, there is a palpable global disdain for the West's hegemony even among some of the European powers. Everyone is tired of the right-wing bufoon and the left-wing jihadists. Geopolitically speaking, India is the safest bet and the only breath of fresh air out there for all these nations. The global south needs India to grow, and Western nations like France, Italy need India to remain relevant. India is emerging as essentially a modded version of 20th-century China. Why I say modded is because India not only provides cheap manufacturing to the world, but also is starting to play the role of middleman for products from sanctioned nations to be sold in the nations that placed these sanctions in the first place. Exactly, why Lindsey Graham is jumping for his "bunker-buster" bill. He and his pals are losing all their commissions. Well, I hope orangetan sings the bill. Russia, India, and China have already de-dollarized their bilateral trades. This bill will only push even Europe and other US allies to the negotiation table with India.
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I would disagree on many of your points.

First thing is Netanyahu being unpopular has nothing to do with gaza situation, he was always hated by Israeli diaspora, but his popularity is pretty mixed bag at home.

Second thing is, we have to support israel's operations against hamas, when it comes to Iran you could say there are nuances, but under no circumstances, indians should have any doubts when it comes to non-state terrorist grp like hamas, cause pakis and international leftoids will start using same logic and taking points against us , which they have used against israel.

Third de-dollarization is a dumb trend started by Russian bots that has no basis in reality, we're still 20-25 years away from it being even a feasible proposal.
 
JConline said:
Bruh, it's all hogwash. This is a mild repeat of the WMD bullshit these rat bastards pulled in Iraq.

Reports point to only one thing: Iran still retains most of the 60% enriched uranium, and NO ONE seems to know where it is. IAEA even claimed to have found traces of 83% enriched uranium. So it is highly plausible that Iran has nuke-grade uranium and could be months away from a testable warhead.

Tulsi Gabbard, in a report earlier this year, claimed that there is no credible evidence of Iran trying to build a nuclear weapon, and the Ayatollah had not resumed funding the nuclear program, which was shelved in 2011. But within a matter of months, Iran is suddenly very close to building nukes, and is so close to success that it warrants a full-on carpet bombing of Iran?

Also, I'm convinced that the underground nuclear facilities were not completely obliterated. The initial leaked intel report stated that while the facilities received substantial damage, it is something that Iran can reverse in a matter of months. The report categorically stated that Iran's nuclear capability has been pushed back a mere 6 months, a capability that was non-existent till a few months back. Moreover, the cancellation of the intel hearing after the leak and the subsequent change of tune from these agencies makes it blisteringly obvious that Trump wants his claims to be true, even if it means faking intel reports. (Iraq WMD anyone?) This fake intel report is what will be presented in front of Congress. Even if you discount every bit of proof, the erratic behavior of Dolund, not-so-ad Vance, Rubix Cube, and Peter Pan is proof enough that they're lying through their teeth. The amount of saber-rattling that was done by Orangetan almost guaranteed that Iran would have moved its nuclear fuel and critical equipment out of these facilities before anything would have hit them.
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What is their end goal but? "WMDs in Eyeraq" -> overthrow of Saddam

There is no boots on ground invasion to ((( liberate Iran ))) though so what are they going to do? mob base regime change is what I think.

OTOH on the Israeli side this is Neantahyu stunt to stay in power, doesn't explain why the orange ape would send B2s, perhaps he thinks that will make Eyeranians sign a deal?
 
concard said:
"Russia, India, and China have already de-dollarized their bilateral trades. This bill will only push even Europe and other US allies to the negotiation table with India."

Who said this BS to you? If we are not using dollar to trade with China then what else are we using? Let FTA with EU conclude before popping the champagne.
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eastern_bhartiya said:
I would disagree on many of your points.

First thing is Netanyahu being unpopular has nothing to do with gaza situation, he was always hated by Israeli diaspora, but his popularity is pretty mixed bag at home.

Second thing is, we have to support israel's operations against hamas, when it comes to Iran you could say there are nuances, but under no circumstances, indians should have any doubts when it comes to non-state terrorist grp like hamas, cause pakis and international leftoids will start using same logic and taking points against us , which they have used against israel.

Third de-dollarization is a dumb trend started by Russian bots that has no basis in reality, we're still 20-25 years away from it being even a feasible proposal.
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When Roosi and Cheeni kang about de-dollarization they mean "use renminbi instead"

It is why the de-dollarization meme is unpalatable to India, it has less to do with fear of America and more with the Chong.
 
shade2 said:
What is their end goal but? "WMDs in Eyeraq" -> overthrow of Saddam

There is no boots on ground invasion to ((( liberate Iran ))) though so what are they going to do? mob base regime change is what I think.

OTOH on the Israeli side this is Neantahyu stunt to stay in power, doesn't explain why the orange ape would send B2s, perhaps he thinks that will make Eyeranians sign a deal?
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Precisely. Trump thought he could get away with half assing an airstrike on Iran or perhaps he doesnt understand what "complete obliteration" means. Nonetheless, he was expecting Iran to come begging for a deal.
 
I have question to the people here who are dealing with MOP bombing cope. Each MOP generally releases around 2.4 Tons of TNT explosive energy. There were 12 MOPS dropped on the hill. Thats two much of energy. If the surface nearly is intact where do you think that energy went?

I know one thing. The hill in itself can't absorb that much energy without visible onsurface signs. My thesis is the bombs penetrated the reinforced concrete walls of the facility, detonated inside it where most of the energy was absorbed by the concrete walls, The partially leaked energy was later absorbed by the hill and thus we do not see much of the surface subsidence.

I think @GaudaNaresh with his mathematics skill and extensive experience with ballistics is a good candidate cut out for it?
 
Ajayant Tripathi said:
I have question to the people here who are dealing with MOP bombing cope. Each MOP generally releases around 2.4 Tons of TNT explosive energy. There were 12 MOPS dropped on the hill. Thats two much of energy. If the surface nearly is intact where do you think that energy went?

I know one thing. The hill in itself can't absorb that much energy without visible onsurface signs. My thesis is the bombs penetrated the reinforced concrete walls of the facility, detonated inside it where most of the energy was absorbed by the concrete walls, The partially leaked energy was later absorbed by the hill and thus we do not see much of the surface subsidence.

I think @GaudaNaresh with his mathematics skill and extensive experience with ballistics is a good candidate cut out for it?
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Kuch bhi ho but i am enjoying the "Proof of Balakot" treatment being given to this harami Supapowa by it's own glowing liberal media just because an Orange Man is on the chair :truestory:


Eron literally does "Only crows and trees died" and all CNN, NYT etc roll with it saying "anonymouse sources have confirmed" :bplease:
 
shade2 said:
Kuch bhi ho but i am enjoying the "Proof of Balakot" treatment being given to this harami Supapowa by it's own glowing liberal media just because an Orange Man is on the chair :truestory:


Eron literally does "Only crows and trees died" and all CNN, NYT etc roll with it saying "anonymouse sources have confirmed" :bplease:
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Yeah, So, we gave them proof this time. These people hyped up the munera too much to go for another strike and we gave them a complete ass whopping. Amazing stuff by our forces.

I can't believe how within few days the psyche of people changed, around me atleast. No more rudali and insecurity, a sense of we can do it and we should have even more capabilities. Its an amazing second order benefit to have. Buddha has ironically made people confident in war and we can do it. He has let the cat loose in pigeons.

It will be hard to undo the positive effects of OP. Sindoor. People have tasted blood and they want more. Porkies no longer command dread. People now see China as main threat now. This is ironically quite against what Coupta and gang is saying. Pakistan is completely dehypenated in mind of common masses. Only hypenation is between Left Liberal mind, not in comman man.
 
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